Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-22 Thread Bret Watson
-0400 Subject: Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs On 3/18/09 5:29 PM, Jeremy Epstein jeremy.j.epst...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't have a CISSP, CISM, MCSE, or EIEIO - and you're proud of it ...then I'd say you have an overly simplistic view of the world. Anyone

Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-22 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs On 3/18/09 5:29 PM, Jeremy Epstein jeremy.j.epst...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't have a CISSP, CISM, MCSE, or EIEIO - and you're proud of it ...then I'd say you have an overly simplistic view of the world

Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-22 Thread Prasad Shenoy
Great idea but why would you say CISSP is meaningless or MCSE is meaningless? Certifications are like technology. They have a place where they fit. CISSP became so popular and prolific because of the vast field of coverage (10 domains) that a certified practitioner had to study, understand, relate

Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-21 Thread Joe Teff
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:36:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs On 3/18/09 5:29 PM, Jeremy Epstein jeremy.j.epst...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't have a CISSP, CISM, MCSE, or EIEIO - and you're proud of it ...then I'd say you have

Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-19 Thread SC-L Reader Dave Aronson
Jeremy Epstein jeremy.j.epst...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pleased to announce the creation of LAMN, the Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs. If you don't have a CISSP, CISM, MCSE, or EIEIO - and you're proud of it - this group is for you. Heh. I'm going to be giving a speech today in which

Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-19 Thread Jeremy Epstein
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Benjamin Tomhave list-s...@secureconsulting.net wrote: gee whiz, what if you have letters after your name that aren't meaningless certifications (like MS or PhD)? :) Paragraph 13.4 subsection (B)(iv) of the LAMN bylaws allows earned degrees, but only if you

Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-19 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
gee whiz, what if you have letters after your name that aren't meaningless certifications (like MS or PhD)? :) also, what if you have meaningless cert letters after your name, but only because of peer pressure? are we still allowed to join? :) Jeremy Epstein wrote: Colleagues, I'm pleased to

Re: [SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-19 Thread Paco Hope
On 3/18/09 5:29 PM, Jeremy Epstein jeremy.j.epst...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't have a CISSP, CISM, MCSE, or EIEIO - and you're proud of it ...then I'd say you have an overly simplistic view of the world. Anyone who believes that a credential automatically conveys some magical knowledge that

[SC-L] Announcing LAMN: Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs

2009-03-18 Thread Jeremy Epstein
Colleagues, I'm pleased to announce the creation of LAMN, the Legion Against Meaningless certificatioNs. If you don't have a CISSP, CISM, MCSE, or EIEIO - and you're proud of it - this group is for you. You can join LAMN on LinkedIn by searching in the groups area. Unlike so many other