Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2010-01-13 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
according to different business unit leadership: I would think that > this would be a real challenge for the CISO. This also reflects my > own experience on the delivery side. > > In summary, SSG provides down-the-earth facts and figures helping > management making risk balance instead of leav

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-23 Thread Gary McGraw
Hi ben, I would be very much interested in Steve Lipner's opinion here, because Steve ran the IR program at Microsoft a decade ago before he was recruited to lead the SSG. Steve, if you would, please take a look at this thread and let us know what your thinking is RE integrating an IR group an

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-22 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
Hi Gary, I've worked with organizations that have taken a similar approach with incident response management. You have a core IR team (within the security dept) and then you designate IR contacts within specific ops teams. This approach seems to work ok, but coordination gets to be problematic, ca

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-22 Thread Boberski, Michael [USA]
ocal radio station ad goes. Best, Mike B. -Original Message- From: sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org [mailto:sc-l-boun...@securecoding.org] On Behalf Of Gary McGraw Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:09 PM To: list-s...@secureconsulting.net; Secure Code Mailing List Subject: Re: [SC-L] Inf

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-22 Thread Gary McGraw
hi ben, You may be right. We have observed that the longer an initiative is underway (we have one in the study that checks in at 14 years old), the more actual activity tends to get pushed out to dev. You may recall from the BSIMM that we call this the satellite. Microsoft has an extensive s

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-22 Thread Benjamin Tomhave
I think the short-term assertion is sound (setup a group to make a push in training, awareness, and integration with SOP), but I'm not convinced the long-term assertion (that is, maintaining the group past the initial push) is in fact meritorious. I think there's a danger in setting up dedicated se

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-22 Thread Gary McGraw
hi bret and mike, While you guys are certainly entitled to your opinion, I think it is important to acknowledge facts when you state an argument. Please take a few minutes to read the article I posted on SSG's (this "committee" language you're both using is very humorous BTW...thanks for the l

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-22 Thread Dave Aronson
Mike Boberski wrote: > A toolkit example that comes to mind, to keep this email short: the > highly-matrixed environment (and actually also the smaller environment, now > that I think about it) where developers fly on and off projects. I don't quite grok what you're saying here. The syntax look

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-22 Thread Bret Watson
At 08:01 AM 22/12/2009, Mike Boberski wrote: Hi Gary. To play devil's advocate: Current organizational practices aside, I would say that organizations really need more and better toolkits and standards for developers to use, than they need more and better committees. I'd have to agree - whi

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-21 Thread Mike Boberski
that don’t fit > the norm. > > > > Dave > > > > *From:* Mike Boberski [mailto:mike.bober...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2009 5:22 PM > *To:* Gary McGraw > *Cc:* David Ladd; SC-L@securecoding.org; dustin.sulli...@informit.com > > > *Sub

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-21 Thread Mike Boberski
Ladd; SC-L@securecoding.org; dustin.sulli...@informit.com > > *Subject:* Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG > > > > I dunno, the concept of "SSG" seems overly broad to me. Looking at security > libraries as a feature or a module eliminates the us vs. them paradox. > Adding

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-21 Thread Mike Boberski
e Mailing List ; Dustin Sullivan > *Sent*: Mon Dec 21 19:01:37 2009 > *Subject*: Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG > Hi Gary. > > To play devil's advocate: > > Current organizational practices aside, I would say that organizations > really need more and better toolk

Re: [SC-L] InformIT: You need an SSG

2009-12-21 Thread Mike Boberski
Hi Gary. To play devil's advocate: Current organizational practices aside, I would say that organizations really need more and better toolkits and standards for developers to use, than they need more and better committees. A toolkit example that comes to mind, to keep this email short: the highl