Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Hi Carol The error message dpkg-query: package 'scid' is not installed presumably means that you compiled and installed scid for yourself. Is that right? If the package management system is not in control of the installation it may not have it added to the list of installed files. It seems that on Ubuntu systems Scid should install into /usr/games so that the list of files produced by $ dpkg -L scid ought to include /usr/games/pgnfix /usr/games/sc_eco /usr/games/sc_epgn /usr/games/sc_import /usr/games/sc_remote /usr/games/sc_spell /usr/games/scid /usr/games/scidpgn /usr/games/spf2spi /usr/games/spliteco /usr/games/tkscid Xubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) would install Scid 4.6.2 through apt or Software and 4.7.0 would have to be compiled separately on your own machine. I'm told the way to integrate in into your system is to use the program checkinstall https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall Hope this helps Maurice ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Its about 15 years since I've used Debian based systems so many quirks may have arisen. There should be no need to cd to scid and all commands will have a gui equivalent. In fact looking at the Bourne scripts they may launch a gui instance of scid - i.e. tkscid. I'll have a look into Xubuntu. Ill get back to you asap. Maurice On 27/12/2019, Carol McAnulty wrote: > Weird, I get this > [code] > cmcanulty@ubuntu1:~$ dpkg -L scid | grep bin > dpkg-query: package 'scid' is not installed > Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, > and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. > cmcanulty@ubuntu1:~$ > [code] > > Yet it certainly is installed as screenshot below shows. I also don't know > how to use scid commands. Do I first cd to scid in terminal and does scid > have to be running first? Thank you > > [cid:0e11e9cb-15f1-4120-8d85-12488bc50540] > Carol & Denny McAnulty > cmcanu...@hotmail.com > > From: Maurice McCarthy > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 3:07 AM > To: Carol McAnulty > Cc: scid-users > Subject: Re: [Scid-users] Questions > > Hi Carol, > > No problem. If you run the dpkg command to give you a list of files > installed by the Scid package (you may have to prefix this with sudo, > cannot remember) > > $ dpkg -L scid | grep bin > > You should get a list something like this : > > /usr/local/bin/pgnfix > /usr/local/bin/sc_eco > /usr/local/bin/sc_epgn > /usr/local/bin/sc_import > /usr/local/bin/sc_remote > /usr/local/bin/sc_spell > /usr/local/bin/scid > /usr/local/bin/scidpgn > /usr/local/bin/spf2spi > /usr/local/bin/spliteco > /usr/local/bin/tkscid > /usr/local/share/scid/books/Elo2400.bin > /usr/local/share/scid/books/Performance.bin > /usr/local/share/scid/books/gm2600.bin > /usr/local/share/scid/books/varied.bin > > The "local" folder may not used on your own system but I run OpenBSD > where a separate local partition is standard for installed programs. > The executable are all in the bin folder and of those only tkscid is > a compiled program. All others are scripts which can be read with any > text reader e.g. less or geany (colourises the text). The file command > can also sometimes be useful. > > $ file /usr/local/bin/pgnfix > /usr/local/bin/pgnfix: a /usr/local/bin/python2.7 script text executable > > $ file /usr/local/bin/scid > /usr/local/bin/scid: Bourne shell script text executable > > Reading the scripts will tell you what they do. > > Best Wishes > Maurice > > On 26/12/2019, Carol McAnulty wrote: >> I use xubuntu linux and would be interested in seeing a list of the other >> tools available in scid for linux. Thank you >> >> Carol & Denny McAnulty >> cmcanu...@hotmail.com > ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Hi Carol, No problem. If you run the dpkg command to give you a list of files installed by the Scid package (you may have to prefix this with sudo, cannot remember) $ dpkg -L scid | grep bin You should get a list something like this : /usr/local/bin/pgnfix /usr/local/bin/sc_eco /usr/local/bin/sc_epgn /usr/local/bin/sc_import /usr/local/bin/sc_remote /usr/local/bin/sc_spell /usr/local/bin/scid /usr/local/bin/scidpgn /usr/local/bin/spf2spi /usr/local/bin/spliteco /usr/local/bin/tkscid /usr/local/share/scid/books/Elo2400.bin /usr/local/share/scid/books/Performance.bin /usr/local/share/scid/books/gm2600.bin /usr/local/share/scid/books/varied.bin The "local" folder may not used on your own system but I run OpenBSD where a separate local partition is standard for installed programs. The executable are all in the bin folder and of those only tkscid is a compiled program. All others are scripts which can be read with any text reader e.g. less or geany (colourises the text). The file command can also sometimes be useful. $ file /usr/local/bin/pgnfix /usr/local/bin/pgnfix: a /usr/local/bin/python2.7 script text executable $ file /usr/local/bin/scid /usr/local/bin/scid: Bourne shell script text executable Reading the scripts will tell you what they do. Best Wishes Maurice On 26/12/2019, Carol McAnulty wrote: > I use xubuntu linux and would be interested in seeing a list of the other > tools available in scid for linux. Thank you > > Carol & Denny McAnulty > cmcanu...@hotmail.com ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Ok, thanks. I am at home in the terminal, which I used to prove that pgnscid no longer existed. :-). However, I think the GUI methods for importing pgn are more than adequate for my current needs. On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 8:59 AM Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Steve, > > I've just been investigating Mike Curtis's comment about sc_import. As > you are running Ubuntu, if you are comfortable using the terminal then > this shell script is used like this (to quote the opening comment of > the script itself) > > # sc_import: > # Import PGN files of games into an existing Scid database. > # > # Usage: sc_import > > This is not available in the Windows version, so far as I can see. > There are various other useful tools in the Linux version also. > > Regards > ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Steve, I've just been investigating Mike Curtis's comment about sc_import. As you are running Ubuntu, if you are comfortable using the terminal then this shell script is used like this (to quote the opening comment of the script itself) # sc_import: # Import PGN files of games into an existing Scid database. # # Usage: sc_import This is not available in the Windows version, so far as I can see. There are various other useful tools in the Linux version also. Regards ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
> I don't use si4 files at all. I found then very unefficient for my purposes, so I work only on PGN files. If that's the case, I'm not sure why one would keep working with SCID. As I understand it, SCID is made to use its own format. To import from and export to PGN files each time one is working with SCID looks cumbersome. *** > I don't trust SCID programme If you don't trust the SCID program, it might be best to not comment furthermore on this mailing list. As far as I am concerned, I ran SCID for more than three years without any one single crash of loss of information with intensively annotated games. ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
1. I don't use si4 files at all. I found then very unefficient for my purposes, so I work only on PGN files. 2. I don't know how to use si4 files, so I choose "save PGN" files, which I know how they works. I can edit PGN's easily in Notepad. I delete "rules infraction" games and similar bad ones, where Arena 3.5.1 doesn't handle with them, making errors in the database. I had no time and will to dig into si4 yet. I don't trust SCID programme, so I will wait for bug's upgrates I guess. 3. Yes. 4.7.0 version. I am working with PGN's up to 200-250 MB. Bigger ones are not handled in the old SCID. 4. "And step by step what did you do to reveal this bug? Any pertinent comments on why you think it is a bug too might help me." Now I cannot remember. I need to try in January again and if I find this bug again, I will describe it precisely and put here. 5. "Did "ctrl-M" clear all the comments in a game or database?" It is not working in SCID 4.7.0 at all. It is working in the SCID vs PC with some options. I will try to test comments again in January if I find a time. I cannot help you more for now. We'll be in touch. Greetings, Krzysztof Janda W dniu 2019-12-23 o 15:57, Maurice McCarthy pisze: Most importantly the PGN files should only be used READ-ONLY. Do not try to change them. If you wish to alter the file then it MUST be first imported to si4 format as explained to Steve Cohen. (File-New and save a new empty si4 file then Database-Import...) (An already existing si4 file will work also.) Secondly, Scid is highly inefficient in handling PGN files. However, I am not a coder and do not understand how it has corrupted your PGN file. It should not do that. It should only lose all changes. Could you supply more details of this please. Which operating system you use and which version of Scid (4.7.0 I presume). Exactly how big is the pgn file? And step by step what did you do to reveal this bug? Any pertinent comments on why you think it is a bug too might help me. (All work on Scid is purely voluntary but if it can be improved I'm sure folk will try to do so.) Thanks for your report. Did "ctrl-M" clear all the comments in a game or database? I assume you cannot mean a single comment as there is a button for that in the Comment Tab. You can clear all comments when you export a Scid database to pgn format. -- brings up options which you can choose to export or leave out. Best Wishes Moss ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Thanks! But now that I understand the model, I don’t really have an issue. Perhaps you are so used to Scid’s unusual model (unlike any program I’ve ever worked with) that it doesn’t strike you as strange. But the documentation ought to mention it more prominently. Basically you HAVE TO create a New Database as a first step when starting to use Scid (aside from the secondary use case of opening/viewingg PGN files). The confusion arises from the fact that the UI makes it look like you’re working with a new database (clipbase) but this is a database that cannot be saved. I don’t want to be seen as overly critical. I wouldn’t be writing if I didn’t think SCID was an excellent piece of software. On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 4:21 AM Maurice McCarthy wrote: > On 24/12/2019, Steve Cohen wrote: > > >> 2. Import the pgn file into this new database with - >> ...> The imported games are saved immediately in the Scid database. > > > > Yes, this is what was confusing me. Most other software has a Save and > > a Save As function, but scid's only allows saving to a preexisting > > database file. This is counter-intuitive and confusing. In particular, > > the idea of saving clipbase to a database file makes sense and would > > make things better. But this is, I suppose a Nice To Have. > > > > Not sure if this helps but you can copy individual games from > clipbase to another open database by a right-click on the game list. > See pgn. > > Is it sad to be writing this on Christmas Day. HRH is still asleep so > I've got a little time to myself ! :) > ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
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On 24/12/2019, Steve Cohen wrote: >> 2. Import the pgn file into this new database with -> ...> The imported games are saved immediately in the Scid database. > > Yes, this is what was confusing me. Most other software has a Save and > a Save As function, but scid's only allows saving to a preexisting > database file. This is counter-intuitive and confusing. In particular, > the idea of saving clipbase to a database file makes sense and would > make things better. But this is, I suppose a Nice To Have. > Not sure if this helps but you can copy individual games from clipbase to another open database by a right-click on the game list. See pgn. Is it sad to be writing this on Christmas Day. HRH is still asleep so I've got a little time to myself ! :) ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Try sc_import instead. On 12/24/19, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 12/23/19 07:09, Maurice McCarthy wrote: >> Thus the old program pgnscid is now redundant. > > No, it's still useful for converting PGN files from the command line. > You can't automate mouse clicks. > > -- > Shawn K. Quinn > http://www.rantroulette.com > http://www.skqrecordquest.com > > > ___ > Scid-users mailing list > Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users > ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
On 12/23/19 07:09, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > Thus the old program pgnscid is now redundant. No, it's still useful for converting PGN files from the command line. You can't automate mouse clicks. -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
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Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Maurice, thanks! inline replies below On 12/23/19 7:09 AM, Maurice McCarthy wrote: Hi Steve, The documentation tends to lag behind the coded program quite a lot. I've volunteered myself to try to improve this. I've found that I need to know the program much better than I do to really get to grips with this. Lately I've been held up by ill health too. Had an operation 3 weeks ago but the recovery is going very well. Good luck with it! Not everything works as I dare say we would like. If you press F1 anywhere in Scid you are intended to get relevant help. All the html files are generated from the Tcl code of the built-in help. Pgn files cannot be altered in Scid. They can only be read and all changes will be lost. The procedure to import a pgn file to a Scid database (which consists of 3 files - an index file .si4, a game file .sg4 and a name file .sn4) is as follows: Suppose you have a pgn file of AlphaZero's games called AlphaZero.pgn 1. Create a brand new Scid database with - and name it, for example "AlphaZero.si4 " (The index file implies both the associated files also) 2. Import the pgn file into this new database with - The imported games are saved immediately in the Scid database. Yes, this is what was confusing me. Most other software has a Save and a Save As function, but scid's only allows saving to a preexisting database file. This is counter-intuitive and confusing. In particular, the idea of saving clipbase to a database file makes sense and would make things better. But this is, I suppose a Nice To Have. Once I realized that I had to have (i.e. create) a set of database files already in order to save, it was easy. Thus the old program pgnscid is now redundant. Note also the documentation currently references 3rd generation database files .si3 etc. rather than 4th generation. I think that the Windows fork of Scid code to "PC vs. Scid" was responsible for the 4th generation improvement and this has subsequently been drawn into the original Scid. Yeah, this bit me too. I searched for .si3 files and couldn't find any! I run Scid 4.7.0 on OpenBSD and on Windows 10 to try to satisfy myself of any anomalies between the two operating systems. If I can be of any further help please let me know. I'll do my best to respond within a day or two. Best Wishes Moss On 22/12/2019, Steve Cohen wrote: 1. I'm using scid on Ubuntu Linux 19.04. The web site used to have a document for installing the latest there? I no longer see this. Don't remember how I previously installed it. 2. I'm sure I've been using scid suboptimally but can't figure out the right way. I've mainly been working with .pgn files. Lately I wonder what is the function of "saving" the database? It creates no files that I can see. Where is the function that saves the "clipbase" database to disk? And so, even though I dutifully "save" the database, I have to also export a game to a .pgn file to retain my work. What am I missing? 3. The Import.html help file mentions a program called pgnscid, but it doesn't seem to exist on my system. Where should it be? ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
You can also find .deb packages on pkgs.org. Luciano Salerno Il giorno lun 23 dic 2019 alle ore 00:59 Steve Cohen ha scritto: > 1. I'm using scid on Ubuntu Linux 19.04. The web site used to have a > document for installing the latest there? I no longer see this. Don't > remember how I previously installed it. > > 2. I'm sure I've been using scid suboptimally but can't figure out the > right way. I've mainly been working with .pgn files. Lately I wonder > what is the function of "saving" the database? It creates no files that > I can see. Where is the function that saves the "clipbase" database to > disk? And so, even though I dutifully "save" the database, I have to > also export a game to a .pgn file to retain my work. What am I missing? > > 3. The Import.html help file mentions a program called pgnscid, but it > doesn't seem to exist on my system. Where should it be? > > > ___ > Scid-users mailing list > Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users > ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Thanks for the good wishes Greg. And a Merry Christmas to all Best wishes of the season! Maurice ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Hi Steve, Maurice answered already so I just try to append to his information. 1. I'm using scid on Ubuntu Linux 19.04. The web site used to have a document for installing the latest there? I no longer see this. Don't remember how I previously installed it. You can either download from https://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Scid/Scid%204.7/ the file scid-4.7.0_x64_linux.tar.gz which seems to have all you would need - it is 129.8 MB strong. I assume you get all the spelling files and pictures. As I have not an x64 sytem but a x32 system (Slackware 14.2) I downloaded the file scid-code-4.7.0.zip (15.8 MB). I unpacked the files in a directory. Than I opened a terminal and went ino this directory. With "./configure" I configured the program. With "make" I compiled it. After that I had a working Scid 4.7 program in this directory that I can start from the command line with "scid". I assume that you will make a shortcut/launcher/"whatever it is called in Ubuntu" ;-) on your desktop. A note: Scid needs two programs to work: Tcl and TK8.6. As you are running a version of scid I assume you've got them already. There is a german Ubuntu website that could help here (with automatic translation): https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Scid/ And there is of course a website from scid itself: https://sourceforge.net/p/scid/wiki/CompileScid/ 2. I'm sure I've been using scid suboptimally but can't figure out the right way. I've mainly been working with .pgn files. Lately I wonder what is the function of "saving" the database? It creates no files that I can see. Where is the function that saves the "clipbase" database to disk? And so, even though I dutifully "save" the database, I have to also export a game to a .pgn file to retain my work. What am I missing? Sorry. You can't save the clipbase. You can do the same things there like in any other database but it will be emptied when you leave the program. If you want your changes to stay permanently you should copy these game files from the clipbase into one of your own databases as Maurice suggested. You can do a lot of things with databases. One thing is, that a scid database will open faster than a pgn file with the same amount of game files. 3. The Import.html help file mentions a program called pgnscid, but it doesn't seem to exist on my system. Where should it be? As Maurice already wrote, this was necessary in former versions of scid. Now you can open pgn files with 3.44 M files (maybe more, but this is my biggest database ;-) ). To import files from a pgn file to your own database: Open your own database. Click "Database" -> Import File(s) of PGN Games... The files will be loaded into your database and stay there permanently. Hope this helps. Kind regards Werner ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions
Hi Steve, The documentation tends to lag behind the coded program quite a lot. I've volunteered myself to try to improve this. I've found that I need to know the program much better than I do to really get to grips with this. Lately I've been held up by ill health too. Had an operation 3 weeks ago but the recovery is going very well. Not everything works as I dare say we would like. If you press F1 anywhere in Scid you are intended to get relevant help. All the html files are generated from the Tcl code of the built-in help. Pgn files cannot be altered in Scid. They can only be read and all changes will be lost. The procedure to import a pgn file to a Scid database (which consists of 3 files - an index file .si4, a game file .sg4 and a name file .sn4) is as follows: Suppose you have a pgn file of AlphaZero's games called AlphaZero.pgn 1. Create a brand new Scid database with - and name it, for example "AlphaZero.si4 " (The index file implies both the associated files also) 2. Import the pgn file into this new database with - The imported games are saved immediately in the Scid database. Thus the old program pgnscid is now redundant. Note also the documentation currently references 3rd generation database files .si3 etc. rather than 4th generation. I think that the Windows fork of Scid code to "PC vs. Scid" was responsible for the 4th generation improvement and this has subsequently been drawn into the original Scid. I run Scid 4.7.0 on OpenBSD and on Windows 10 to try to satisfy myself of any anomalies between the two operating systems. If I can be of any further help please let me know. I'll do my best to respond within a day or two. Best Wishes Moss On 22/12/2019, Steve Cohen wrote: > 1. I'm using scid on Ubuntu Linux 19.04. The web site used to have a > document for installing the latest there? I no longer see this. Don't > remember how I previously installed it. > > 2. I'm sure I've been using scid suboptimally but can't figure out the > right way. I've mainly been working with .pgn files. Lately I wonder > what is the function of "saving" the database? It creates no files that > I can see. Where is the function that saves the "clipbase" database to > disk? And so, even though I dutifully "save" the database, I have to > also export a game to a .pgn file to retain my work. What am I missing? > > 3. The Import.html help file mentions a program called pgnscid, but it > doesn't seem to exist on my system. Where should it be? > > > ___ > Scid-users mailing list > Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users > ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Questions and suggestions...
Joao Rita wrote: Hi! Recently I've been extensively using the correspondence side of scid and I found some shortfalls, not that I'm complaining, in actual fact I'm in no way tempted to go to any other tools, although I have to use ECTool for a few of my games... (IECC doesn't use Xfcc...) Hey, you could even make requests :) Implementation however will depend on my (quite limited) spare time. 1. How far off is SCID from being able to print positions? This is particularly nice if you want to transpose to a physical board and analyse the position. Let me put it that way: I've some good reason to come to this part as I'll do some postal play I think later this year. Now this postal stuff requires, ahm well, a postcard. I'm still working on this issue and how to do it but have some ideas. This would also include printing a position on that very postcard. I'm still sorting out if and how it can be done. (Do you have a nice cls for a CC postcard in LaTeX? There is an old BDF-package, but this seems to be broken.) 2. How easy is it to export to Latex but setting it in such a way diagrams from certain positions within a game are displayed? I've the rework of some of the LaTeX-stuff on my agenda already. Still, what you want is actually available right now. Just add the D NAG to the position you want to show. That is go to the position in question, hit Ctrl-E for the Comment Editor and just add the D as NAG value. Once you export to LaTeX every position with this NAG will give a nice diagram in your export. 3. How easy is it to filter only games which your up to move? It is trivial for Xfcc and actually solved already. In the correspondence chess setup dialogue you have a checkbox for Only games I have the move. This checked only those games show up in the CC game window. The issue is a bit tricky for email games as I don't know who has the move here and who you are. In a way. That is it has to rely on that fact that you got all games in your Scid Inbox and opened them once for them to get synced against the base. However, IF your base is current it is easy and done as well. You can just do a header search for the special player !mymove. Given you set your player names correctly (Options/Chessboard/My Player names) this will filter all games that are not finished and where the player matching either of your player names has the move. It also keeps track of you being white/black so you might want to add the Ignore Colours option in your header search. BTW: you can use the special player !me to filter all of your games in a given database. 4. How far away is SCID from being able to receive PGN games and send out replies like ECTool? I don't get what you mean here. Current CVS has actually some relay feature built in which currently works for ICCF Webchess relays. Is this the functionality you refer to? I don't know ECTool, I'm afraid. 5. Last question, how easy would it be for me to potentially get involved and help with the implementation of these points?:) Actually quite easy. First step done. At least if there is an open issue. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
