Update from Rocky EL

2020-12-17 Thread Yasha Karant
I do not currently have the time or inclination to address the various points raised in the exchange/commentary, to which I am adding some comments, in sufficient detail. UC CSRG BSD original deployment largely evolved for DEC hardware platforms, such as the PDP-11 (with segmented overlay

Re: Update from Rocky EL

2020-12-17 Thread Konstantin Olchanski
Rumination time, I jump in. > >Why did monolithic kernel Linux, based primarily upon the > >non-production-environment OS Minix from Tanenbaum used as an > >implemented example for teaching OS at the undergraduate level, > >achieve sector dominance over micro-kernel BSD-derivatives? ... Linux

Re: Joint Fermilab/CERN statement on recent CentOS Changes

2020-12-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/17/20 2:21 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: The URL document linked below mentions various repos -- are these available outside the CERN HEP collaborations, the same as SL (and ElRepo, etc.) are "public"?  If these repos are public, is there a public list (not restricted to the CERN HEP

Re: Update from Rocky EL

2020-12-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On 12/17/20 2:07 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: You present a well-organized commentary; however, I must amplify, and thus take exception, to some of your statements. Thank you for the compliment.  By all means amplify; I always reserve the right to be wrong! First: Linux and Torvalds.  Some might

Re: Update from Rocky EL

2020-12-17 Thread Yasha Karant
I respectfully disagree with the analogy. It is true that an open source available to rebuild (without IP logos, etc.) is far better than closed source for reasons of software engineering (and security) upon which I can elaborate if there is interest. However, having any product enter wide

Re: Joint Fermilab/CERN statement on recent CentOS Changes

2020-12-17 Thread Yasha Karant
The URL document linked below mentions various repos -- are these available outside the CERN HEP collaborations, the same as SL (and ElRepo, etc.) are "public"? If these repos are public, is there a public list (not restricted to the CERN HEP collaborations) that conveys the same sort of

Re: Update from Rocky EL

2020-12-17 Thread Yasha Karant
You present a well-organized commentary; however, I must amplify, and thus take exception, to some of your statements. First: Linux and Torvalds. Some might compare Torvalds to Bill Joy who left a Berkeley PhD program for work in the private sector; Joy had a sound background in what was

Re: Sustainable computing - Re: CentOS EOL - politics?

2020-12-17 Thread Brett Viren
Hi, ~Stack~ writes: > I'm curious about your thoughts on what it means to have that > sustainable footing going forward. A little bit pontificating but here is my take: "sustainable computing" must be "community all the way down". We must reject attempts by flighty (or other) corporations to

Re: Update from Rocky EL

2020-12-17 Thread P. Larry Nelson
This whole discussion brings to mind Eric Raymond's three essays; later an iconic 1999 book: "The Cathedral and the Bazaar". They discuss software development, culture and control, and business models between open-source and closed-source models. A decent synopsis of them can be found here:

Re: Joint Fermilab/CERN statement on recent CentOS Changes

2020-12-17 Thread d tbsky
> On 2020/12/18 0:17, James F Amundson wrote: > > CERN and Fermilab acknowledge the recent decision to shift focus from > > CentOS Linux to CentOS Stream, and the sudden change of the end of life of > > the CentOS 8 release. This may entail significant consequences for the > > worldwide

Re: Update from Rocky EL

2020-12-17 Thread Teh, Kenneth M.
Hear hear! From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov on behalf of Lamar Owen Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:04 AM To: scientific-linux-users Subject: Re: Update from Rocky EL On 12/16/20 9:55 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: > ... The question I

Re: Joint Fermilab/CERN statement on recent CentOS Changes

2020-12-17 Thread Takashi Ichihara
URL: CentOS 8 Linux@CERN https://linux.web.cern.ch/centos8/ Regrds, Takashi On 2020/12/18 0:17, James F Amundson wrote: CERN and Fermilab acknowledge the recent decision to shift focus from CentOS Linux to CentOS Stream, and the sudden change of the end of life of the CentOS 8 release.

Joint Fermilab/CERN statement on recent CentOS Changes

2020-12-17 Thread James F Amundson
CERN and Fermilab acknowledge the recent decision to shift focus from CentOS Linux to CentOS Stream, and the sudden change of the end of life of the CentOS 8 release. This may entail significant consequences for the worldwide particle physics community. We are currently investigating together

Re: Update from Rocky EL

2020-12-17 Thread Dave Dykstra
It is also linked now here: https://wiki.rockylinux.org/contributing Dave On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 06:55:15PM -0800, Yasha Karant wrote: > I "subscribed" to the Slack Rocky EL "list" after the information on how-to > subscribe was posted. It is possible that the public link in the URL bar of