I agree. I think that there should be more movies with the main characters a
married black couple. Hollywood has it looking like the only black couples
out there is the Huxtables.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:
See, I hear that, but I disagree
Marian,
the wife had me 2 read this series by a guy named John Varley, the Gaea
Trilogy. the books were very interesting. fantasy and scifi. a really good
read.
book 1 - Titan (1979)
book 2 - Wizard (1980)
book 3 - Demon (1984)
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com
Maurice, apparently, in your forties, you were still an open-faced sandwich:
open to new ideas and experiences. I would suggest that makes you an exception
that proves the rule. Most people are fairly hardwired in their tastes and
beliefs by then. IMNSHO.
I ask, were you a SF reader of any
The question about Asimov's Foundation septology leads me to ask what was the
last SF novel you read that made you go WOW! And, by that, I mean the last
novel that made your head spin around. For me it was William Gibson's
Neuromancer and that was published in 1984, twenty-five years ago!
rave, most of the people I've been making recommendations to are in their
twenties. They are all European, if that makes any differentiation.
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For me it would have to be Butcher's Storm Front. It was the first Dresden
files book and it was like a breath of fresh air to me. Before that it was
Christopher Golden's Angels souls demon hearts. I have to admit that my
strong church upbringing made me feel guilty for enjoying that book so
For me, The Mote In God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Great
ideas, semi-plausible scientific bases, fun read all the way through. (And,
apparently, some of my former friends agree -- the four who stole each of the
four copies I owned, that is.)
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Welcome! But... isn't Decatur about 90% of the county, though?
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You've got a good point, Rave. And my dad turned me on to SF when I was very
young, too. I guess I just fell into the 'let them eat cake' trap,
extrapolating from my experiences. I hate it when I do that!
I stand educated, sir. :o)
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I've got a new man crush. His name is Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr. and
although he has a long footprint - he has been around since the Clinton
Administration, I first became aware of him when he recently guest hosted Keith
Olbermann's MSNBC show. As of late, Mr. O'Donnell has been all over
Hollywood can't do us. They don't KNOW us. If you mean those who grew up
Black who are in Hollywood, then I agree with you. But otherwise, WE have to
do us.
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From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:40:55
To:
Probably either The Killing Star by Charles Pellegrino and George Zebrowski or
Ship of Fools by Richard Paul Russo. They are both very chilling takes on
Earth's first coontact with alien intelligence. The universe is not a nice
place.
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Varley is very underrated.
Marian,
I love all the Hyperion books but some folks don't care as much for sequels
Endymion and The Rise of Endymion.
I like Asimov's ideas but his writing never grabbed me. Is it the scope,
characters or something else?
As far a scale and scope Stephen Baxter's
Never, ever pay attention to anything on Fox News. It's shock news. It's like
watching wrestling.
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote:
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: [Black SciFi Horror Fantasy Club] Re: CNN
Thanks, Rave. And for me, I believe my dad gave me Heinlein's short
stories, and the moving tattoos
got me, along with Starship Troopers. So I guess I was primed for Ms.
Butler!
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Friday,
I read those about twenty years ago and enjoyed them. I always envisioned the
protagonist as looking like Sigourney Weaver...
Remember Whistlestop?
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From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009
yep. And frankly, i think this cautious approach now proves to have been sadly
mistimed. How amazing would it have been to have a black couple onscreen while
we have a black couple in the White House?! (and yes, i know Obama is half
black, but still...)
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From:
For me, it might be Zelazny's Lord of Light. it's a great tale about humans
who come to rule a planet by scientifically giving themselves powers to match
those of the Hindu pantheon. The powers are given to those called the
First--the crew and passengers of the ship that brought the humans to
how's that?
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From: Jeff Carter mbsj...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:51:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] What was the last SF novel you read that made you go
WOW!?
For me it would have to
Enjoyed that book, but I think Footfall ,for some reason, got me more. Maybe
it was the whole thought of space-traveling pachyderms...
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From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:00:28 AM GMT -05:00
I have a girly crush on him. The man knows his stuff and does not hesitate
to stand of to the likes of the many a$$holes that appear on MSNBC
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:20
The Left Hand of Darkness (1969) by Ursula Le Guin is a SF novel that totally
spun my head around. My writing is also heavily influenced by the Croyd
(1967)novels of Ian Wallace. For me, the concept of up time and down time
was like a hit of something uncut! But I read all of these novels at
I wish he could get a show on HBO like Bill Maher cause he spit hot fire!
~rave!
(but it prolly won't happen cause nothing funny about what he got to say)
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:
I have a girly crush on him. The man knows his stuff and does
I wish MSNBC would give him Meet the Press or some other show. I hate David
Gregory. I do not think he will get his own show any time soon, but he does
seem to be moving up the food chain. He is no Tucker Carlson
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Charles Sheffield's 'Proteus' series ('Sight of Proteus,' 'Proteus
Unbound,' 'Proteus Combined,' 'Proteus in the Underworld').
Brent
ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com writes:
The question about Asimov's Foundation septology leads me to ask what
was the last SF novel you read that made you go WOW!
One and all: I am adding all these recommendations to my reading list.
Thanks, large!
~rave!
yeah, i had a vision of her as well. whistlestop was a kool ass blimp!
--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Foundation-like
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009,
i like him too. the way he slapped that semi-racist pat buchanan this morning
was simply BRILLIANT! he does need his own. hate 2 say this, but they can
give him either carlos's show at 11 or andrea's show at 1. either way, he is
KOOL as hell.
--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Tracey de Morsella
Always respect your opinions, but tell me Mr. O'Donnell doesn't communicate
primarily through shouting and loud talking? I am so full of pundits and
experts and show hosts who think the best way to impart information to the
ignorant masses is to shout it and argue about it...
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Agreed.
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From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com
To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:13:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] EXCLUSIVE: Disney's The Princess and the Frog
Directors Address Racial Concerns
And I think that's what concerns me about those who say we should be
grateful, happy, or patient with Disney's half stepping here. How
offensive is it to let someone else tell our story and slant it like this in
this, would could, for all we know, but the only Disney toon with a black
female
Phyllis and I have been discussing Gregory on MTP, and whether he seems to be
more aggressive with Dems than Republicans, or if it's simply holding the feet
of those in power to the fire. At times, his stance reminds me of the obviously
biased Tom Brokaw (sorry to say that). Why do you dislike
yes indeed! Remember when she was forced to decide which of the Centaur-like
people could procreate?
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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:32:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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yes i do, but it was more fun watching her trying 2 pretend 2 fight her
alcoholism. but what about the Priests? they were kool. with the deathsnakes
in them. and the 50ft marilyn monroe avatar that Geae made? in all, a really
good trilogy.
Fate.
--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Keith Johnson
I think that part of the problem is that the writers are white people from
the midwest or gay jewish guys so they are going to really understand black
people (or any one else) enough to be able to write about them, so when we
do get movies that have characters of color we get these stereotypes.
This reminded me of the discussions that were still going on about
afro-american vs african american when I was a kid. Instead of embracing it
people wanted to be called afro-american which isn't the correct term
because they didn't want to upset the man and we should be happy that we
can use that
Totally agree. LOL at 'gay jewish guys!'
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:47 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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Directors
I loved both of those as well as Lucifer's Hammer and their collaborations with
Steven Barnes, The Legacy of Heorot and Beowulf's Children.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote:
Enjoyed that book, but I think Footfall ,for some reason, got me more.
Maybe
I'm not picking on them, nor am I homophobic, but they helped to build
Hollywood and are part of its foundation. The problem is that the lack of
diversity within their writing staff (hollywood as a whole) produces the
stereotypes and poor representation of characters. So we get stuff like Ving
yeah, good stuff
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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:46:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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yes i do, but it was more fun watching her
by the way, i read the books 3 years ago and the picture in my mind of
cirroco's friend Gaby, i pictured Jada Pinkett Smith. maybe it's just me :-)
Fate.
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From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re:
Keith
i like Gregory, but i also like David Shuster. he is a very bright guy too.
fox kills me putting all of those nuts on their station. none of them can
touch Rachel Maddox (guess since she's a Rhodes Scholar helps too), or even my
man Keith Olbermann.
--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Keith Johnson
Although I used those examples, (It is my personal opinion that repeating
liar! over and over in reference to the Swift Boat author is the only response
a sane man can make. Sort of like giving a Ren and Stimpy EEdiots to all
the wackjob birthers out there) I have not personally witnessed
(presently building a shrine to Keith Olbermann)
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To :
can i help?
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Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:39 PM
Feel free to join in. It's gotta be high enough to annoy Glenn Beck and Captain
Oxy.
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works 4 me!
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Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My new man crush: Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr.
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Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 8:11 PM
I'd forgotten those, Brent. Good reads.
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That was a novel...
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From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
For me,
Weren't they, rave? My first dance with 60s SF was with the works of Aldiss and
Moorcock. I spent a year conducting full reality tests on my surroundings after
reading my first Jerry Cornelius novel.
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Milton, I do pay it mind, caustic, caricatured and comedic content though it
may be, for one reason. I have a friend who's in Naval Intelligence (all
leathernecks in the audience, please hold your guffaws until I finish), and he
once told me that if, back during the tail end of the Cold War,
Fahrenheit 451 as a graphic novel? What do you think about that?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106929166
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Someone made this video placing star wars machinery in San Francisco.
http://current.com/items/89204971_death-star-over-san-francisco.htm
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What was Lucifer's Hammer?
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I
I never thought of that...
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by the way, i read the books 3 years
I will check him out then.
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Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:04:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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Although I used
Yes indeed, it certainly was. One of my favs of all time, along with, I might
add, his Amber series.
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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:26:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re:
Well, I don't have kids, so I guess i can get away with not paying for it. As I
said though, I know lots of sisters with daughters, and many of them are just
happy that a black female is playing a romantic lead. And, I guess stuff like
Hitch doesn't help them to see a problem with that.
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I guess a lot of people don't see the bigger picture. We are not getting our
needs met. We need to see more people on screen like ourselves and not the
once or twice a year Ma Dere movie or just another black dramadey.
This ties back into one of the earlier topics. Hollywood produces tons of
Nollywood. I think I am going to be packing my bags shortly.
http://newsone.com/nation/african-americans-tune-into-nollywood/
I have loved everything by Neal Stephenson that I have read. Snow Crash was
just unbelievable. I loved Cryptonomicon and the Baroque Cycle. I am in the
middle of the third volume now. However for me, The Diamond Age, an exploration
of Nano-Technology and sociology amongst other things, is his
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