[scifinoir2] Similarities Between Virginia Tech Shooter Horror Film
Similarities Found Between Virginia Tech Shooter, Horror Film One self-portrait has an uncanny resemblance to a South Korea film By MICHAEL HINMAN Source: Washington Post Apr-20-2007 In what is sure to once again ignite the debate over how movies influence the terrible actions of others, some observers say the man responsible for killing more than 30 people at Virginia Tech earlier this week may have drawn some parallels with a popular South Korean horror movie. In photographs sent to NBC News by Cho Seung Hui just before the massacre took place, the man included several photos of himself with various poses with his guns. Also included, however, was a photo of himself holding a hammer in a stance that some say is similar to one used in publicity shots for Oldboy, the 2003 revenge thriller from Park Chan Wook, that was a major Cannes Film Festival winner in 2004. However, not everyone is convinced that films such as Oldboy should be targeted as accessories to the massacre, like Washington Post's Stephen Hunter. For one, 'Oldboy' wasn't a gun picture, Hunter said in his column. The only gun in it is a derringer that figures in the denouement. It's a movie about the bone-shattering force of hammers on limbs and skills, and the physical exhaustion of fighting. Its violence, though pervasive, is never beautiful or graceful. The violence is never idealized; you cannot look at it and be sduced by it. In the film, a man named Oh Dae-su is imprisoned in a strange apartment for nearly 15 years, never knowing who is captors were or why he was kidnapped in the first place. He goes through more than a decade of torture and isolation, and after his release, seeks revenge on the man who puts him there. The twist, however, is that the man he's trying to find also is seeking revenge on him. In his column, Hunter says that if any actions are going to be compared to films, than they need to be compared more to John Woo's work, including the film The Killer which features a character going down a corridor, knocking on doors, and when they're answered, the protagonist opens fire. How much do horror films influence real-life crime? Not as much as people might think, horror director Wes Craven told Australia's Melbourne Herald-Sun. If someone has violent thoughts, they're going to be attracted to things with violence in them, Craven said. But are those things making them have violent thoughts? I don't believe so. Horror films and violent films are not a cause of violence itself. Mayank Chhaya, a commentator for the Malaysian Sun didn't take a position one way or the other on whether horror films directly contribute to violence, but did talk about how much of an influence Oldboy may have had. It is highly likely that Cho knew of the film and probably emulated that scene to accentuate the impact of his own post-mortem, Chhaya said. In a series of videos ... Cho rants against perceived or real humiliations he faced, quite like the businessman Dae-su. From all available accounts, Cho seemed to be disturbingly in control of his faculties, carrying out the murders with extraordinary precision and finality. That too seemed reminiscent of the 'Oldboy' protagonist. Although it is always hard, if not impossible, to decide whether art reflects life or life absorbs art, in this particular case, the latter being the case does not appear to be too far fetched. Cho's body language in the footage released by NBC News suggests a fiendishly determined mind who has no doubt whatsoever that the world, or at any rate some people in it, has wronged him and he must avenge that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Stargate Series Return With Stagnate Ratings
Audiences for series are not growing By MICHAEL HINMAN Source: GateWorld Apr-19-2007 American audiences were excited to see the return of Stargate SG-1 and Stargate: Atlantis on SciFi Channel over the last few weeks, but they were virtually the same audience that tuned in for the first half of the two series' respective seasons. The mid-season premieres of SG-1 and Atlantis were practically on par with the finales that aired six months ago with SG-1 picking up a 1.5 rating and Atlantis earning a 1.4 rating, GateWorld reported. For SG-1, which is airing its final 10 episodes, that's a 0.2 ratings drop from the mid-season finale last September, but was consistent with last summer's average of 1.54. Atlantis' drop was virtually identical to its sister show, also dropping 0.2, and finishing slightly lower than its average last summer of a 1.58. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Universal Remaking Colossus : The Forbin Project
Gosh, Tracey, it's been so long since I read them (70's) They're all a jumble...I can't even remember the titles of the othe two books...I know in the secong book, they defeated Colossus, only to have to ring him back to life in the last to defeat estraterrestial visitor in the last book... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I read that they were going to base the movie on the series of books, it really grabbed me. I never read the series. astro, can you tell me what the other books covered. Tracey Astromancer wrote: I hope that they stick closer to the book version because what is done there was a whole lot more realistic than what the movie implied...Like for instance, what you said about the incident where Colossus had the military officers killed for 'treason'; he actually left the bodies out for a week to ensure that they were dead as he didn't quite understand the concept of death as well as not trusting those who carry out the excecution. There was another incident where he had one of the scientists who conspired to destroy him shot, decpitated and immmersed in a tak of water for several hours to ensure he was dead as well as satiate his curiosity about death...If they spent as much time on the psychology of the computer, I think it would come off more chilling than what we saw in the TV movie... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: one of my fav scifi movies from back in the day. I remember when Dr. Forbin asks Colossus for permission to use the bathroom or have women over without being monitored by Colossus' cameras, and the computer responsds no. Or how he has several military guys who'd plotted his overthrow executed by their own men, the bodies to be left untouched for a week as an abject lesson. It was *really* scary when Colossus merged with its Russian counterpart. And that ending, when they fitted him with a voice, and he says In time you and your children will come to love me, even as God. Wow! I hope Howard brings a deft touch and doesn't bury the theme in a bunch of overblown action and adventure. This isn't a film that needs to be a blockbuster, in my opinion. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Universal Remaking Colossus Universal and Imagine Entertainment will remake the 1970 SF drama Colossus: The Forbin Project, about a computer that takes over the world, as a potential directing vehicle for Ron Howard, Variety reported. Brian Grazer will produce. Jason Rothenberg has been set to write the screenplay for the remake, which will be called simply Colossus. Based on a book by D.F. Jones, the original film was a forerunner of movies such as The Terminator, introducing the idea of a government-built computer that becomes sentient. Rothenberg will use the original's premise as a springboard and will incorporate two subsequent Colossus novels written by Jones to create a broader story. Universal is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letâs just saying you know more than you think, but weâre not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Universal Remaking Colossus : The Forbin Project
Like I said; there was more attention paid to how the computer thought compared to the way hmans thought...he constantly did experiments involving human behavior so it could learn to manipulate us...some of the stuff was cold-blooded... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I loved that movie too. Tell me more about the Trilogy. What about the trilogy changed your mind about the movie Tracey Astromancer wrote: Hey, I LOVED that movie...until I read the trilogy Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com wrote: I would say WHY?, but I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Universal Remaking Colossus Universal and Imagine Entertainment will remake the 1970 SF drama Colossus: The Forbin Project, about a computer that takes over the world, as a potential directing vehicle for Ron Howard, Variety reported. Brian Grazer will produce. Jason Rothenberg has been set to write the screenplay for the remake, which will be called simply Colossus. Based on a book by D.F. Jones, the original film was a forerunner of movies such as The Terminator, introducing the idea of a government-built computer that becomes sentient. Rothenberg will use the original's premise as a springboard and will incorporate two subsequent Colossus novels written by Jones to create a broader story. Universal is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letâs just saying you know more than you think, but weâre not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Fishburne Voices Silver Surfer
Hmm...walked right into that one... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that depends on whether he took the red pill or the blue pill Tracey Astromancer wrote: Just as long as he doesn't sound like Silver Morphius... Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com wrote: Martin likes. Martin lkes... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Fishburne Voices Silver Surfer Laurence Fishburne has been tapped to serve as the voice of the Silver Surfer in 20th Century Fox's upcoming sequel film Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, laying to rest speculation that Doug Jones, who provides the character's movements, might voice him as well. The news is in the current The Hollywood Reporter. Jones performed and provided movement references for the computer animation that will be used to render the Silver Surfer, a herald to a cosmic world-devouring being known as Galactus. Weta Digital oversaw visual effects for the movie. The casting of Fishburne (The Matrix) recalls Jones' role in Hellboy, in which he played the character of Abe Sapien, whose voice was eventually provided by an unbilled David Hyde Pierce. Fishburne commences voice work this week. Internet rumors had the actor voicing Galactus. Surfer will hold its premiere June 12 in London. The movie opens June 15. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=41154 http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=41154 Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letâs just saying you know more than you think, but weâre not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Sorry About BIG Typos Re: [scifinoir2] Spiperman the Braodwy play
We'll be here to keep you giggling...you know that Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Martin and Astro: I had a bad week, but today I woke up feeling much better. Thanks for the supportive messages. Please keep up the smart ass message. Between you guy and my know it all three year old, i will be laughing through the entire illness. Tracey Astromancer wrote: My dear Lady...I hope you feel better... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Hi guys: Sorry about the typos. I'm in the middle of a relapse. Went its late at night and I can not sleep as a result of pain, sometimes surf for scifi to distract me Unfortunately do not have my glasses on so I do not see what I'm typing. Tracey Martin wrote: Martin does not like musicals. Martin thinks musicals are unrealistic. Martin has been a fan of SF/fantasy for over four decades. Martin is not a well man... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Thoughts? Marvel Studios is developing a Broadway musical based on Spider-Man, to be directed by Tony winner Julie Taymor, with U2's Bono and the Edge creating new music and lyrics for the project, according to The Hollywood Reporter; auditions are now taking place, and a reading is scheduled for the summer. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Let's just saying you know more than you think, but we're not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Universal Remaking Colossus : The Forbin Project
Well, you're right...we can only hope... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, I never knew that. Now I'm really intrigued as to what Howard will use as the source material. Modern movies in the scifi realm are unfortunately in the main leaving intelligent writing and true suspense behind. But Howard is an older director and intelligent, so one can hope. I'm just not in the mood for this to be yet another FX/explosion-filled affair. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer I hope that they stick closer to the book version because what is done there was a whole lot more realistic than what the movie implied...Like for instance, what you said about the incident where Colossus had the military officers killed for 'treason'; he actually left the bodies out for a week to ensure that they were dead as he didn't quite understand the concept of death as well as not trusting those who carry out the excecution. There was another incident where he had one of the scientists who conspired to destroy him shot, decpitated and immmersed in a tak of water for several hours to ensure he was dead as well as satiate his curiosity about death...If they spent as much time on the psychology of the computer, I think it would come off more chilling than what we saw in the TV movie... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one of my fav scifi movies from back in the day. I remember when Dr. Forbin asks Colossus for permission to use the bathroom or have women over without being monitored by Colossus' cameras, and the computer responsds no. Or how he has several military guys who'd plotted his overthrow executed by their own men, the bodies to be left untouched for a week as an abject lesson. It was *really* scary when Colossus merged with its Russian counterpart. And that ending, when they fitted him with a voice, and he says In time you and your children will come to love me, even as God. Wow! I hope Howard brings a deft touch and doesn't bury the theme in a bunch of overblown action and adventure. This isn't a film that needs to be a blockbuster, in my opinion. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Universal Remaking Colossus Universal and Imagine Entertainment will remake the 1970 SF drama Colossus: The Forbin Project, about a computer that takes over the world, as a potential directing vehicle for Ron Howard, Variety reported. Brian Grazer will produce. Jason Rothenberg has been set to write the screenplay for the remake, which will be called simply Colossus. Based on a book by D.F. Jones, the original film was a forerunner of movies such as The Terminator, introducing the idea of a government-built computer that becomes sentient. Rothenberg will use the original's premise as a springboard and will incorporate two subsequent Colossus novels written by Jones to create a broader story. Universal is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
Hmm...Even the title is crappy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng! * The first--and only, I might add--of the good guys to get killed was a brother. Sad thing is, soon as I saw him I thought This show's gonna kill that Black man. Bingo! There is another Brother left, but of course he's older and out of shape, not young and/or hunky like the rest of the cast. he was already punked by Jane. Surprise! * Will someone *Please* teach these new directors that herky-jerky and tilting camera work is *not* a good way to add action
Re: [scifinoir2] Spiperman the Braodwy play
AAAH Clear enough? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts? Marvel Studios is developing a Broadway musical based on Spider-Man, to be directed by Tony winner Julie Taymor, with U2's Bono and the Edge creating new music and lyrics for the project, according to The Hollywood Reporter; auditions are now taking place, and a reading is scheduled for the summer. Yahoo! Groups Links Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Sorry About BIG Typos Re: [scifinoir2] Spiperman the Braodwy play
Always! :) Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll be here to keep you giggling...you know that Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Martin and Astro: I had a bad week, but today I woke up feeling much better. Thanks for the supportive messages. Please keep up the smart ass message. Between you guy and my know it all three year old, i will be laughing through the entire illness. Tracey Astromancer wrote: My dear Lady...I hope you feel better... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Hi guys: Sorry about the typos. I'm in the middle of a relapse. Went its late at night and I can not sleep as a result of pain, sometimes surf for scifi to distract me Unfortunately do not have my glasses on so I do not see what I'm typing. Tracey Martin wrote: Martin does not like musicals. Martin thinks musicals are unrealistic. Martin has been a fan of SF/fantasy for over four decades. Martin is not a well man... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Thoughts? Marvel Studios is developing a Broadway musical based on Spider-Man, to be directed by Tony winner Julie Taymor, with U2's Bono and the Edge creating new music and lyrics for the project, according to The Hollywood Reporter; auditions are now taking place, and a reading is scheduled for the summer. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Let's just saying you know more than you think, but we're not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Spiperman the Braodwy play
Crystal, pal. Sorry I put in that text-to-vocal software prototype last night... Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AAAH Clear enough? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts? Marvel Studios is developing a Broadway musical based on Spider-Man, to be directed by Tony winner Julie Taymor, with U2's Bono and the Edge creating new music and lyrics for the project, according to The Hollywood Reporter; auditions are now taking place, and a reading is scheduled for the summer. Yahoo! Groups Links Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Stargate Series Return With Stagnate Ratings
No incentive for them to grow. I've watched both eps so far, and it's the same-old. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Audiences for series are not growing By MICHAEL HINMAN Source: GateWorld Apr-19-2007 American audiences were excited to see the return of Stargate SG-1 and Stargate: Atlantis on SciFi Channel over the last few weeks, but they were virtually the same audience that tuned in for the first half of the two series' respective seasons. The mid-season premieres of SG-1 and Atlantis were practically on par with the finales that aired six months ago with SG-1 picking up a 1.5 rating and Atlantis earning a 1.4 rating, GateWorld reported. For SG-1, which is airing its final 10 episodes, that's a 0.2 ratings drop from the mid-season finale last September, but was consistent with last summer's average of 1.54. Atlantis' drop was virtually identical to its sister show, also dropping 0.2, and finishing slightly lower than its average last summer of a 1.58. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: I watched Pain Killer Jane yesterday...
LMNAO! drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another thing... 13) Halle Berrys Kenyan accent in X-Men 3 was stronger than the writing for the Pain Killer Jane episode I, uhm, watched Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'll try to get throu what I'm about to write... I can feel my chest tighten already... Getting dark, must stay conscious... 1) When PKJ staggers down the alley in the rain, why did the rain follow her as she staggered up the alley but not rain anymore where she was a step ago? It was like a rain cloud hovering over Snoopys dog house 2) Tech geek dressed like a nerd...so original 3) Everyone is wearing black. 4) She's wearing matrix gear in public like she's supposed to stand out? 5) If they have such high-tech equipment, I assume its expensive. So they can only afford to be in a warehouse? 6) If they have so much money, they can't afford a scanner that automatically scans for bugs with inside the building? They don't know Gen Hackmans Brill from Will Smiths Enemy of The State? 7) Expensive equipment and the tech guy sits on a chair from a clearance sale? 8) They wonder how she found the warehouse. They show the flashback of how she put the bug on the guy along with her saying something, then they cut back to the present and she repeats the line she said in the flashback. It reminds me of that stupid middle and ending in Halle Berry's Perfect Instinct. They show Halle typing the instant message text bar I left my panties at Keith Johnson's house, please don't tell anyone at scifinoir and they show her saying the line at the same time as she types it? I don't anyone that says out loud what they type in a text message And because the plot is so convoluted that even that even the writer couldn't make sense so they had Rabisi's character tell Halle everything that he knows and it basically covers everything from the movie? Then Rabisi asks Halle what he's going to do for him? Didn't they see how it's done in the film To Live and Die in LA with Willem Dafoe? I'm sorry, I regress . 9) Exactly how high was the building that Jane and the black man were falling down the side of? King Kong hit the ground faster than they did in last years King Kong. Did they hit the ground? I changed the channel 10) Jane's crew is cookie cutter. So diverse, so original. It reminds me of Mutant X . 11) Now I see why they didn't give the lead actress more lines in Terminator 3. 11A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. 12) Did you notice that all these romantic comedy movies and the Joan of Arcadias play that same ATT commercial like music All around the world like they have exclusive rights to grunge music? Who picks the music for this show, Courtney Love? The music on PKJ reminds me of that pathetic intro music in the later years of Enterprise with Captain Archer. 12A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. 13) Do you notice on the CSI shows and shows like The Closer that the Anglo lead actor/actress stands in front with everyone else standing behind him or her? Every time they showed the lead Anglo man in PKJ, the rest of the team is standing behind him like they're afraid of PKJ might shoot someone and they use the Anglo leader like a human shield? I can't write anymore, I'm done . 12A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Is there a Pain Kill Jane support group that you guys can join? Tracey Said Kakese Dibinga wrote: I don't know know where to begin, I really don't. I mean. I really am at a loss of words about how bad it was... www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Waayy OT: Armed Miss America 1944 stops intruder
My kinda woman! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is OT, but I had to send this one. Mamma wasn't messing around! * Armed Miss America 1944 stops intruder Fri Apr 20, 8:16 PM ET Miss America 1944 has a talent that likely has never appeared on a beauty pageant stage: She fired a handgun to shoot out a vehicle's tires and stop an intruder. Venus Ramey, 82, confronted a man on her farm in south-central Kentucky last week after she saw her dog run into a storage building where thieves had previously made off with old farm equipment. Ramey said the man told her he would leave. I said, 'Oh, no you won't,' and I shot their tires so they couldn't leave, Ramey said. She had to balance on her walker as she pulled out a snub-nosed .38-caliber handgun. I didn't even think twice. I just went and did it, she said. If they'd even dared come close to me, they'd be 6 feet under by now. Ramey then flagged down a passing motorist, who called 911. Curtis Parrish of Ohio was charged with misdemeanor trespassing, Deputy Dan Gilliam said. The man's hometown wasn't immediately available. Three other people were questioned but were not arrested. After winning the pageant with her singing, dancing and comedic talents, Ramey sold war bonds and her picture was adorned on a B-17 that made missions over Germany in World War II, according to the Miss America Web site. Ramey lived in Cincinnati for several years and was instrumental in helping rejuvenate Over-the-Rhine historic buildings. She returned to Kentucky in 1990 to live on her farm. I'm trying to live a quiet, peaceful life and stay out of trouble, and all it is, is one thing after another, she said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
One of my major beefs about organized religion is Man's tendnecy to define the Word of God as Man sees fit, as though the layperson doesn't have the common sense to do so. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is really something. Sometimes--many times, in truth--I do understand why some of my friends are atheists or agnostics. It does seem that Man grafts so much of his own fears, needs, greed, etc.onto religious truth that such truth can be twisted all out of recognition. Limbo wasn't really belived in by most in the Catholic church, yet they had to get around to removing it from the literature? So many concepts of sin and morality seem to be based on the mores of the current times and political/social climates, not on a true connection to God. For example, I look back with chagrin remembering a time when I had to consciously get comfortable with the idea of female preachers. The church in which I was raised teaches the old time belief that men alone should be preachers, and as a kid, I didn't really question that too much. Of course, as my family will tell you, I basically question *everything* in life--with one notable exception being the existence of a God--so I got a round to the gender thing too. I had to look at history and realize the attitudes of the church were based on societal attitudes about women, just as the Mormons used to teach that we blacks weren't worthy of the same grace as whites, or how there have been times when churches would teach that long hair on men was improper, yet be okay worshipping a Jesus with same. I had to make myself get over that prejudice. So much of what we accept from organized religion needs to be examined closely. And times like these, so many who claim to follow God twist the truth to serve their own ends. A friend of mine likes to say that Jesus never meant to start a religion. I get that. I believe in God, but man, do people make it hard! Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries By Philip PullellaFri Apr 20, 2:21 PM ET The Roman Catholic Church has effectively buried the concept of limbo, the place where centuries of tradition and teaching held that babies who die without baptism went. In a long-awaited document, the Church's International Theological Commission said limbo reflected an unduly restrictive view of salvation. The 41-page document was published on Friday by Origins, the documentary service of the U.S.-based Catholic News Service, which is part of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Pope Benedict, himself a top theologian who before his election in 2005 expressed doubts about limbo, authorized the publication of the document, called The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die Without Being Baptised. The verdict that limbo could now rest in peace had been expected for years. The document was seen as most likely the final word since limbo was never part of Church doctrine, even though it was taught to Catholics well into the 20th century. The conclusion of this study is that there are theological and liturgical reasons to hope that infants who die without baptism may be saved and brought into eternal happiness even if there is not an explicit teaching on this question found in revelation, it said. There are reasons to hope that God will save these infants precisely because it was not possible (to baptize them). The Church teaches that baptism removes original sin which stains all souls since the fall from grace in the Garden of Eden. NO NEGATION OF BAPTISM The document stressed that its conclusions should not be interpreted as questioning original sin or used to negate the necessity of baptism or delay the conferral of the sacrament. Limbo, which comes from the Latin word meaning border or edge, was considered by medieval theologians to be a state or place reserved for the unbaptized dead, including good people who lived before the coming of Christ. People find it increasingly difficult to accept that God is just and merciful if he excludes infants, who have no personal sins, from eternal happiness, whether they are Christian or non-Christian, the document said. It said the study was made all the more pressing because the number of nonbaptised infants has grown considerably, and therefore the reflection on the possibility of salvation for these infants has become urgent. The commission's conclusions had been widely expected. In writings before his election as Pope in 2005, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger made it clear he believed the concept of limbo should be abandoned because it was only a theological hypothesis and never a defined truth of faith. In the Divine Comedy, Dante placed virtuous pagans and great classical philosophers, including Plato and Socrates, in limbo. The Catholic Church's official catechism, issued in 1992 after decades of work, dropped the mention of limbo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Spiperman the Braodwy play
Not even. Whenever one comes on, I turn off the TV and pop my Elvis' Greatest Hits CD in. Though, in all honesty, two do make my tolerable list. Purple Rain and Streets of Fire, because the music is integral to the movie. There's no oen walking along, talking about the weather and then suddenly breaking out into song about the subject. It's *not realistic* to me. Mind you, I've been a fan of genre SF/fantasy since I was nine. As I said, Martin is not a well person... Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not even Elvis movies??? Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin does not like musicals. Martin thinks musicals are unrealistic. Martin has been a fan of SF/fantasy for over four decades. Martin is not a well man... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts? Marvel Studios is developing a Broadway musical based on Spider-Man, to be directed by Tony winner Julie Taymor, with U2's Bono and the Edge creating new music and lyrics for the project, according to The Hollywood Reporter; auditions are now taking place, and a reading is scheduled for the summer. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: I watched Pain Killer Jane yesterday...
When the second ep is graveyard-centric, that speaks volumes all its own... Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know know where to begin, I really don't. I mean. I really am at a loss of words about how bad it was... www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: I watched Pain Killer Jane yesterday...
No, lady. I think we'll have to start one. I keep meaning to peek into the Skiffy boards on the show, to see how the reactions are running. Think I'll do that, while I'm parked here doing nothing. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a Pain Kill Jane support group that you guys can join? Tracey Said Kakese Dibinga wrote: I don't know know where to begin, I really don't. I mean. I really am at a loss of words about how bad it was... www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Matthew Fox To be Racer X
Please, Mister H'Wood Producer...don't. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Ricci, but she is not the Trixie we knew. Maybe they are going to make her kind of dark and sarcastic. Tracey Oyabun of Beats wrote: Oh my Gods does that really say Christina Ricci?!! Is this supposed to be like Fellini does Speed Racer? What kind of surreal casting IS this? On Apr 20, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Amen... I was not feeling Vince Vaughn at a all Tracey Martin wrote: Better him than Vince Vaughan. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Fox Races To Speed Matthew Fox (ABC's Lost) is in final negotiations to play Racer X in Larry and Andy Wachowski's upcoming live-action Speed Racer movie, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The movie, based on the 1960s animated TV series, comes from Warner Brothers and producer Joel Silver. Australian actor Kick Gurry, meanwhile, is in negotiations to play Sparky, Speed Racer's hippie mechanic. Emile Hirsch, Christina Ricci, Susan Sarandon and John Goodman have already been cast in the film, which will shoot in the summer in Berlin. Speed centers on a young race-car driver, Speed (Hirsch), and his quest for glory in his gadget-laden Mach 5. Fox will play Speed's mysterious racing rival, an enigmatic soldier of fortune. Fox will fit Speed Racer in around the series' summer hiatus. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=41156 Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: I watched Pain Killer Jane yesterday...
Run complete... A few of the threads at the Skiffy bpard... Is This Show Boring? Or is it Just ME? Do You Think This Series Will- A) Last B) Get onto DVD C) Be renewed? Terrific Series, Full of action, great storylines IT WAS ORIGINAL How much money did SciFi Channel lose on PKJ? And, my favorite- I survived PKJ, and all I got was this lousy... All in all the full spectrum of reactions. Borderline, they seem to like it. Odds are, none of them are over eighteen. Cry havoc, and let slip the Hackers! Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a Pain Kill Jane support group that you guys can join? Tracey Said Kakese Dibinga wrote: I don't know know where to begin, I really don't. I mean. I really am at a loss of words about how bad it was... www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Miniatures Gaming and Miniorities
I've been toying with the idea of starting a gaming league targeted primarily (but not exclusive to) minorities. I would prefer to run Heavy Gear, but it is somewhat expensive. While I can appreciate the value of $40.00 boxed sets ($60.00 with for the starter sets), I would be the first to admit that it's a bit steep for someone who isn't into it. Of course that doesn't stop parents from spending $60.00 on the latest 360 or ps3 game, so maybe it's not as big of a deal as I think. It would probably be ideal do run some kind of alternate WWII game using Star Grunt II miniatures, as they are more reasonably priced, especially at the 15mm scale. The down side there is the fact that you have to order overseas and I don't know if I'm ready to become a distributor. Has anyone ever toyed with the idea of starting a gaming league? Were you able to I have no doubt that interest could be drummed up. I was going to run a Heavy Gear game at the church picnic last year and all the kids wanted to know what Heavy Gear was. If I did get a chance to run it, I'm sure that they could easily have gotten hooked. Of course, I could just build the armies and let the kids play using the minis provided. With our community being so sports centered, it would be nice to show our kids something that gets their imaginations going. On Friday, CBS Nightly News ran a story about a book that was written about Albert Einstein's life. The author of the book said that Einstein was a marginal student, but one of things that set him apart was his imagination. It would be nice to equip our kids with tools that encourage the expansion of their imagination. In my mind, gaming could be a great tool to use. Any thoughts, suggestions, or questions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks --jason
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Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
I challenge you guys to recall a title crappier than KAW Tracey Astromancer wrote: Hmm...Even the title is crappy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug deals. Truly one of the most overused scenes in such shows outside of strip clubs. Booorinng! * The first--and only, I might
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
Had to consult my big SF history book for this one. Tetsuo II: Body Hammer (WTF??) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I challenge you guys to recall a title crappier than KAW Tracey Astromancer wrote: Hmm...Even the title is crappy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk
Re: [scifinoir2] Universal Remaking Colossus : The Forbin Project
What you say about the trilogy, and Colossus coming back, reminds me of a series by scifi writer Jack Chalker, Rings of the Master. Ever read it? It takes place centuries in the future, in which the galaxy is ruled by a master computer. A group of diverse humans undertakes the mission of shutting down the computer, which can be done by finding five rings which are actually electronic circuits, then taking those rings to the computer's original control interface. The computer has grown to the point where it's literally expanded itself throughout the galaxy, but its core program--dating back to its initial programming--provides for an override sequence. The computer can't destroy the code, nor destroy the rings, but it does take license by hiding the rings and the location of its master control panel. A pretty good series, full of Chalker's signature strangeness of dealing with humans as basical biochemical machines, and his penchant for playing round with sexual identity and s uch. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, you're right...we can only hope... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, I never knew that. Now I'm really intrigued as to what Howard will use as the source material. Modern movies in the scifi realm are unfortunately in the main leaving intelligent writing and true suspense behind. But Howard is an older director and intelligent, so one can hope. I'm just not in the mood for this to be yet another FX/explosion-filled affair. -- Original message -- From: Astromancer I hope that they stick closer to the book version because what is done there was a whole lot more realistic than what the movie implied...Like for instance, what you said about the incident where Colossus had the military officers killed for 'treason'; he actually left the bodies out for a week to ensure that they were dead as he didn't quite understand the concept of death as well as not trusting those who carry out the excecution. There was another incident where he had one of the scientists who conspired to destroy him shot, decpitated and immmersed in a tak of water for several hours to ensure he was dead as well as satiate his curiosity about death...If they spent as much time on the psychology of the computer, I think it would come off more chilling than what we saw in the TV movie... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one of my fav scifi movies from back in the day. I remember when Dr. Forbin asks Colossus for permission to use the bathroom or have women over without being monitored by Colossus' cameras, and the computer responsds no. Or how he has several military guys who'd plotted his overthrow executed by their own men, the bodies to be left untouched for a week as an abject lesson. It was *really* scary when Colossus merged with its Russian counterpart. And that ending, when they fitted him with a voice, and he says In time you and your children will come to love me, even as God. Wow! I hope Howard brings a deft touch and doesn't bury the theme in a bunch of overblown action and adventure. This isn't a film that needs to be a blockbuster, in my opinion. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Universal Remaking Colossus Universal and Imagine Entertainment will remake the 1970 SF drama Colossus: The Forbin Project, about a computer that takes over the world, as a potential directing vehicle for Ron Howard, Variety reported. Brian Grazer will produce. Jason Rothenberg has been set to write the screenplay for the remake, which will be called simply Colossus. Based on a book by D.F. Jones, the original film was a forerunner of movies such as The Terminator, introducing the idea of a government-built computer that becomes sentient. Rothenberg will use the original's premise as a springboard and will incorporate two subsequent Colossus novels written by Jones to create a broader story. Universal is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Lets just saying you know more than you think, but were not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
How about Ssss? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I challenge you guys to recall a title crappier than KAW Tracey Astromancer wrote: Hmm...Even the title is crappy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central Casting posing and dancing wildly, while obvious bad guys skulk in their midst doing drug
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
S speaks to the socil dynamic of snakes. You buy that Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Ssss? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I challenge you guys to recall a title crappier than KAW Tracey Astromancer wrote: Hmm...Even the title is crappy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs
Re: Scifiholic speaks out Re: [scifinoir2] Painkiller Jane Series Premiere
huh?? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] S speaks to the socil dynamic of snakes. You buy that Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Ssss? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I challenge you guys to recall a title crappier than KAW Tracey Astromancer wrote: Hmm...Even the title is crappy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I posted a reply to Tracey listing crappy movies ,and I talked of a cyborg/clone monster thingie with crap CGI. SS Doomtrooper was it! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Oh, yeah. He was all in that role. :P And that gargoyle fun-fest...I'm still shaking my head. Reminded me of the SS Doomtrooper crap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: did you see the crap with Robert Chakotay Beltran from Voyager? It was about a sentient fire creature running around immolating people. Junk! Then there was the one about gargoyles, which was yet another of the SciFi Originals with incredibly bad FX. Why are their films sporting CGI that looks ten years out of date? seriousl, I've seen better on home PCs -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com In perfect honesty, I watch almost every Saturday. Always with the sound off (I'm weird that way, rarely watch TV with sound, relying on Closed Caption). At least every other week, I ahve to turn off the captioning, because I get too far into my MSTie rant and lose track of the program. I even write mini-reviews of some of the movies. Allow me to share the one from the spectacular Kaw. Never more. Never more. Seriously. It's the sole purpose behind my viewing them, having a list of movies to pick from when I realize my dream of restarting the MST3K franchise. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The truth shall set me free huh? OK, lemme give it a try. But it the group starts to throw stones at me, it will be your fault. So, here is my confession, While I have finally given up on decent scifi movies on Saturdays, when scifi channel first started the Saturday night D movie programming, I watched regularly for at least 8 weeks hoping that some of the movies would be good campy fun. Even after I went cold turkey and stopped watching, I fell off the wagon at least six times. However, I'm happy to report, that I have only watched two D movies straight through in the past 12 months. OK, your turn to 'fess up. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, not long after I chose the username I carry aound 'Net-wide, I read a quote from someone (need to find out who), that went, In order to seek the truth in all things, you have to *speak* the truth in all things. If it's truly bad, lady, NEVER HOLD BACK. ;) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I plead the 5th. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: wow, Tracey, you're bad as me: you'll sometimes watch almost anything to get a scifi fix. if *you* hate it, it must be bad. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Craptastic is being kind. there was a robot in it who was always dieing an coming back to life. They actor would crack/title his nect to the side whenever he came back. I wanted to break it for him. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Can't believe I've never seen this show, not even to dog it out. Was it as bad as the awful series Adrian Highlander Paul was in, the one where he was tracking down rogue aliens on Earth, Alien Tracker? -- Original message -- From: Martin Keith, whyfor you insult Vulcans so? Seriously, this is nothing more in my eyes than Codename: Eternity (was that the name of that craptastic show?) with a slightly better-looking lead. *Slightly*... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Anyone catch this besides me? Man, this was just awful: cliched, predictable, boring. Some of the stuff that hit me from the start: * Kristanna Loken isn't a very good actress. She was stiff and delivered her lines with all the emotion of a Vulcan. Maybe it was the dialogue and uninspired writing, which were sho' 'nuff problems,but I doubt it. But then, what reason is there to expect the latest Terminator to have acting ability? * Within five minutes of the opening, the show was in one of those cliched (using that word again!) underground rave-type clubs with the pulse-pounding music and young people from Central
[scifinoir2] Gaming Convention in Iraq
When President Bush ordered troops to Iraq, he probably never imagined that he would be ultimately be responsible for what very well could be the very first DD convention/game day ever held in a war zone. Ziggurat Con, being held June 9 from 1200 to 2100 hours at Camp Adder/Tallil Airbase, is open to all allied military personnel and civilian contractors in Iraq. KBR and MWR (the army's Morale Welfare Recreation Department) have graciously allowed service members to use part of the Community Activity Center to hold the Game Day. The Ping Pong room will be set up for RPGs (Role-Playing Games, not to be confused with the rocket propelled grenades which share the same acronym), and the DVD Movie room will be playing Anime Movies all day in support of the event. The largest problem with running a Con in Iraq, of course, is that there are no local stores or game publishers, and few game books on the post. Even dice are in short supply, with many soldiers breaking the unwritten taboo held by many gamers and sharing dice. Thankfully, many game publishers have also lent their support, and have agreed to supply game products to help the Con along. Aethereal FORGE, Sovereign Press, Final Redoubt Press, Goodman Games, Paizo Publishing and Steve Jackson Games are among those that have thrown in their support for the convention. SPC Amberson indicated that the soldiers could definitely use more. This convention is currently in drastic need of prizes and giveaways for the troops, he said. Everything donated will go directly to the troops, or to MWR to use as loaner books for the soldiers. For more information, contact SPC David Amberson at the following address: david.amberson (at) iraq.centcom.mil Donations can also be sent to SPC Amberson directly at the following address: SPC David Amberson A Co 86th Sig Bn APO, AE 09331 They're planning to run the following games (and will be happy to get additional games): Babylon 5 RPG, Cyberpunk 2020, DD, DD RPGA, GURPS, Historic Miniatures Battles, Magic Tournament, MechWarrior Miniatures, Rifts, Shadowrun, Starship Troopers, White Wolf System-Vampire, White Wolf System-Werewolf, XCrawl Got any game books crowding your shelves that you never use? Here's a great cause to donate them to. Spread the word. We would love anything we can get. We do have a White Wolf game here, but not much in the line of books, mostly the older editions. We will have a small LARP game that we are trying to get permission to have happen at the Ziggurat for which the con is named (A LARP at a historical site that has been around since Biblical times - WOW). Gamer related material would be absolutely awesome!! It takes 2 weeks or less when shipping Priority, so you still have time. My address is as follows: SPC David Amberson A Co 86th Sig Bn APO, AE 09331 Thank you so much for your support, Dave
[scifinoir2] Fav B Movie - Worse B Movie
all this talk of really bad movies, bad me decide to post the following... What is your favorite B-Movie and what do you think is the worse b-movie you have seen. My favorite is Night of the Comet. Tracey Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
