Re: [scifinoir2] Gonna See The Golden Compass?
i guess i'm thinking that one or two less than super-duper blockbusters wouldn't hurt Smith. He could have viewed Hitch as the one to do more normal box office, then gone back to the Bad Boys-summer-winter blockbuster routine he's gotten down so well. I mean, when the likes of Adam Sandler does crap like Chuck and Larry, and Halle Berry does the last couple of films she's done--which did no box office to speak of--I don't see why Smith doesn't at least try to send out a more positive message. I just think it's crazy that in 2007 the only person really pushing black-on-black couples as something wonderful and romantic is Tyler Perry. I really think Smith missed an opportunity with Hitch to show the world something. I mean, if you think of his last few films, such as that Happyness one, that horrible Bad Boys 2, and now I am Legend, all were or will most likely (in the case of Legend) do big box office and/or decent critical success. So surely he could have shoehorned in a movie that said Hey, black people can have romance too. And when will that chance come around again? How much more does Smith need to do to prove he's bankable before he can take the risk of having a love story with a woman who looks like his real life wife? Not meaning to bluster, but I hear some people--some on this list for example--criticize Tyler Perry for being slapstick, simplistic, formulaic, lowbrow, or too preachy. I think someone said he had a flaw in that he only appeals to middle-aged church going black women. Well, aside from the fact that i disagree with that (fifty plus million in box office didn't all come from the Sunday school crowd) again, i applaud the Brother for insisting on showing romance with black couples. Given the state of black couples in America, Black people need to see that as much as whites. I'm a man ,and i felt insulted to see the slot that should have gone to a Sister filled by Eva Mendez. Man, I thought, Black women just keep getting bad breaks, especially when Brothers won't push for them. Between the Brothers who love them some white women, asian/black women, and now Latina women, and those like Smith scared to challenge the white guys in Hollywood, is it any wonder people flock to support the likes of Tyler Perry, or movies like Love Jones, Brown Sugar, Last Holiday, Two Can Play that Game, etc? They may all be comedies and somewhat formulaic, but you takes what you can get where you can get it. I make a point of supporting films that show black romantic love, and my DVD collection is filled with all of them that are good-to-decent. Hitch isn't in the house. Okay, off the soapbox! It's 3 am and I hope i don't read this missive later today and realize it was a garbled string of incomprehensible stuff written by a half-sleeping mind! I'm supposed to be up in six hours to hit two hours of workouts at the gym, then go fix a friend's dad's computer, so off to sleepytime land for me! -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i think that when the like of Tyler Perry can do fifty million in less than two weeks, Will Smith would have been a success with Hitch. he still would have drawn in a lot of whites, and blacks would have seen it too. It may have only made one hundred million instead of, say one hundred seventy-five, but when is the time to take a chance if not then? I hear what you're saying, but if America isn't ready now, when will they ever be? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Your assuming that he has enough clout to survive if (in my opinion- when) they were proved right and it turned out not to be a block bluster. I think, though he might has sold out in a way, he was shrewd enough to realize that it was a battle that if he won, would do him harm. American Audiences are not ready. I think he should fight for such a goal in an art house, low budget venture with less to loose if it does not deliver at the box office. Hollywood decision makers are fickle. do you remember when Travolta could not get a reading after two flops. It took several years to revive his career. Smith only has one flop that I know of ..Wild West, had that romance flopped he would have been perceived as not being able to be a romantic lead. no star, of any race has enough clout to survive flops caused by going up against the big decision makers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right on. I was really thrown when i heard that Master and Commander changed the book's premise, changing the bad guys from the Americans to the France. That really pisses me off. As for Sali Richardson in Legend tha'ts really just a throwaway roll. See, the problem with Hollywood isn't giving a Black man a Black wife in a movie where the romance isn't the focus. It's in a straight up romantic comedy or dramatic
Re: [scifinoir2] Gonna See The Golden Compass?
Good point, but I think Perry is making movie history, by proving that you can make lots of movies with a predominantly Black audience that is not in the teen target demographics. As far as I know, less than 20% of Perry's audience is not African American. I think someone with a smaller budget flick and black or black love will at some point have a mega-hit. It will cause the ditto-head decision-makers to try to duplicate that success over and over. This will enable the masses to adapt. I think that is how they got used to interracial match-ups. I think that for it to work, it can not be with a predominantly Black cast, but with a cast similar to most mainstream movies, but the difference is the male and female leads are both African American. The problem with Smith taking a risk with that movie is the budget and the high profile. If he had taken the risk you think he should have and it was a low budget movie (maybe even one he bankrolled) that became a breakout hit great. If it failed, it would not have been as much risk to his clout in Hollywood. Just my cynical musings. I actually hope I'm way off base and that he is just gutless. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that when the like of Tyler Perry can do fifty million in less than two weeks, Will Smith would have been a success with Hitch. he still would have drawn in a lot of whites, and blacks would have seen it too. It may have only made one hundred million instead of, say one hundred seventy-five, but when is the time to take a chance if not then? I hear what you're saying, but if America isn't ready now, when will they ever be? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your assuming that he has enough clout to survive if (in my opinion- when) they were proved right and it turned out not to be a block bluster. I think, though he might has sold out in a way, he was shrewd enough to realize that it was a battle that if he won, would do him harm. American Audiences are not ready. I think he should fight for such a goal in an art house, low budget venture with less to loose if it does not deliver at the box office. Hollywood decision makers are fickle. do you remember when Travolta could not get a reading after two flops. It took several years to revive his career. Smith only has one flop that I know of ..Wild West, had that romance flopped he would have been perceived as not being able to be a romantic lead. no star, of any race has enough clout to survive flops caused by going up against the big decision makers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right on. I was really thrown when i heard that Master and Commander changed the book's premise, changing the bad guys from the Americans to the France. That really pisses me off. As for Sali Richardson in Legend tha'ts really just a throwaway roll. See, the problem with Hollywood isn't giving a Black man a Black wife in a movie where the romance isn't the focus. It's in a straight up romantic comedy or dramatic love story where the love is the focus when they balk. Hence, Smith was told that giving him a black lady would have made it a black movie, and scared away white audiences. And a white love interest would have scared away white audiences as well, so they got something that to their puny minds was in between: a Latina. I find that to be contemptible, and I'm more than a little pissed that Smith didn't use all that supposed clout to fight for a Sister anyway -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Keith, you are assuming the US audience is intelligent and open to alternative perspectives, like yourself. I was reading an American blog for Blood+, an anime on Adult Swim, in which the US creates a global plague for which they have the cure and thus power. The blogger was shocked that a lot of Anime positioned the US as a corrupt bad guy. I understand why they are inclined to see our government that way. But, most Americans perceive us as the men in White, always doing good, even when we do wrong; Many unenlightened White Americans, also have no interest in seeing Black on Black love. While I have heard backlash over Will Smith being the lead in I am Legend, I have not yet heard anything negative about Salli Richardson being his love interest. If movie makers, who make decisions based on the bottom line, start raising their expectations of viewers and moviegoer, when all evidence is pointing to the fact that Americans are not as smart as they once were, then they will start to lose money. Just remember, we who seek out new, different and challenging stories, are not their target audience. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, i'd read that. That's one of the strangest
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
i think it's the eyes, they draw me in... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ⦠even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
Comcrap was correct...(grumble) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can see the who one-hour uninterrupted if you have Comcrap- I mean comcast on demand. They have under the nicktoons category as one episode. I saw it yesterday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: last night was the rerun, but only part one of the one-hour Black Sun. So check next week for part 2, which is the better half. . Avatar is running ten all new episodes. I think they may have done the first batch of ten, so keep watch and see if the show starts reruning next week -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com D'OH! And I have no excuse, as the movie I'd been watching went off twenty minutes before it came on. And I bet I've missed any possible repeat now... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Rep risal
Why does she seem more attractive in Gallactica that Xena. Is it simply the costumes, did she do something to her hair, or is it the character they created for her. ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think it's the eyes, they draw me in... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role … even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this
[scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Underwear
Always wear clean underwear in public, especially when working under your vehicle... From the Northwest Florida Daily News comes this story of a Crestview couple who drove their car to Wal-Mart, only to have their car break down in the parking lot. The man told his wife to carry on with the shopping while he fixed the car in the lot. The wife returned later to see a small group of people near the car. On closer inspection, she saw a pair of male legs protruding from under the chassis. Although the man was in shorts, his lack of underpants turned private parts into glaringly public ones. Unable to stand the embarrassment, she dutifully stepped forward, quickly put her hand UP his shorts, and tucked everything back into place. She took a deep breath and stood up boldly to face the crowd. She looked across the hood and found herself staring at her husband, who had been standing idly by. The mechanic, however, had to have three stitches in his forehead. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass'
Right. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meta, I think that's the alternate title of it. I know that, sometimes, books are released on different continents under different titles and I *think* you're in Europe, right? Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass' I'm confused about the title. I have a copy of Pullman's book, (I haven't read it yet.:-)) but the first book of the three is called 'Northern Lights', so where does 'The Golden Compass' title comes from? I've had 'His Dark Materials' for years, but was a bit apprehensive to start fearing that it wouldn't be a good read. Is it? Meta There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Underwear
First Laugh of the Morn! LMNAO Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always wear clean underwear in public, especially when working under your vehicle... From the Northwest Florida Daily News comes this story of a Crestview couple who drove their car to Wal-Mart, only to have their car break down in the parking lot. The man told his wife to carry on with the shopping while he fixed the car in the lot. The wife returned later to see a small group of people near the car. On closer inspection, she saw a pair of male legs protruding from under the chassis. Although the man was in shorts, his lack of underpants turned private parts into glaringly public ones. Unable to stand the embarrassment, she dutifully stepped forward, quickly put her hand UP his shorts, and tucked everything back into place. She took a deep breath and stood up boldly to face the crowd. She looked across the hood and found herself staring at her husband, who had been standing idly by. The mechanic, however, had to have three stitches in his forehead. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
This kinda surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a handful of these stores in Metro Atlanta, but the two that I frequent are always bustling. I'm feeling less competition here and more willingness to firm up the bottom line. So what if it puts a few thousand innocent souls on the street? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Urine is the best fertilizer - Take the piss right out of you
Well, I'm off to fertilize the White House lawn, folks. Think I may compost while I'm there, too... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris de Morsella wrote: Talk about your high yuck factor. Scientists at the University of Kuopio in Finland grew cabbages using a conventional fertilizer, human urine that had been stored for 6 months, or no soil amendment at all. The researchers report that the urine treatment yielded cabbages that were bigger and carried fewer germs than those grown by either other approach. Analyses of the urine used in these experiments showed that its nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium contents were comparable to those of commercial fertilizer. Urine collected from one individual over the course of a year could fertilize a 90-square-meter plot, yielding more than 160 cabbages, the team calculates. The data indicate that a urine-treated plot would yield 64 kilograms more cabbage than one fertilized conventionally. (SCIENCE NEWS, 2007) Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
I love Comcast. Bring it on! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:39 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun Comcrap was correct...(grumble) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: You can see the who one-hour uninterrupted if you have Comcrap- I mean comcast on demand. They have under the nicktoons category as one episode. I saw it yesterday KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: last night was the rerun, but only part one of the one-hour Black Sun. So check next week for part 2, which is the better half. . Avatar is running ten all new episodes. I think they may have done the first batch of ten, so keep watch and see if the show starts reruning next week -- Original message -- From: Martin truthseeker_ mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com D'OH! And I have no excuse, as the movie I'd been watching went off twenty minutes before it came on. And I bet I've missed any possible repeat now... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons
Yeah, whoa...! And like many white people back then, she didn't really get it, but she complied with my dad's wishes. Sometimes all you can ask from people is compliance, and understanding will have to come later. THIS should be saved in the archives next to King's I have a dream speech. Your parents are wonderful, and God bless them for making the effort and taking the time to deal with these issues so you wouldn't be scarred for life by having to deal with them first-hand as a young person. Too many of today's parents don't have the finesse to deal with confronting ugly issues and knowing when to let something go to be absorbed later. Hence, culturally different teachers are intimidated, children suffer and don't learn, and classes are tense... in a lot of instances. Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:28 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons Whoa... (flabbergasted) KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: i say this all the time, but you really have so many stories to tell, they ought to be written down somewhere. that's amazing history. I'm 43, and was one of the first generations back in Fort Worth who started school in an integrated environment (both my older brothers started in black only schools, then were moved to integrated schools when desegregation hit Texas). But I was still in the minority in many cases. Looking at my first grade class picture, I seem to recall perhaps 5 blacks and two or three Mexicans in a class of 20 or so. That's actually better than many of y'all probably had, I admit, but there is still the issue of who's *running* things, which was mostly white folks. And even the well intentioned ones needed to be educated. My first grade teacher (who was white) loved me, loved and respected my older brothers, who she taught, greatly respected my family. But one day she decided to reward to everyone in the class who made a A on a test. So, each kid got a cool assignment: one girl got to pass out papers, another got to take up papers, one boy got to go buy drinks for the class, and another got the most coveted job of all, which was cleaning the erasers out back. (Everyone loved that 'cause it meant banging the erasers against something and watching the chalk dust fly!). That night, i went home and told my mom about it. Momma, I said, I made an 'A' on my test and i got a reward! I then first proceeded to tell my mom what the other kids got, and then she said And what did you get? Proudly, I proclaimed, I got to pick up all the trash off the floor! What?! I remember my mom snapping. I got to stay after class and pick up all the trash, i repeated, oblivious. I picked up all the paper and put it in the garbage can. Well, thirty-plus years later, I still remember my vague confusion at Mamma seeming to be displeased. I didn't get why she didn't gush over my accomplishment. Later, I found out she told my dad when he got home from work what happened and the very next day, getting home from his third shift job, Dad got dressed, put on the old man hat and shiny shoes, and went to have a talk with my teacher. When he confronted her, she was completey clueless, but Dad schooled her. He spoke of how he and Mom had spent too many years working to give us boys a better life to have me treated like a janitor. He asked why I was the one relegated to trash detail. Well all the kids got some kind of reward, my teacher sputtered, and that's the one i chose for him. If that's your idea of a reward, you can keep it! Dad replied. Why don't you just go back to putting gold stars on their papers like they did when i was a child? Well, she was flustered but in time she got it. And like many white people back then, she didn't really get it, but she complied with my dad's wishes. Sometimes all you can ask from people is compliance, and understanding will have to come later. But I'm pretty sure it all sank in later, because i never picked up trash again as a reward. Neither did any other kid in my class, black, white, or Mexican. The kicker? I never knew about this whole incident until i was well into my '20s. My folks didn't want to sour me on my teacher, didn't want to burden me with the whole thing. But thanks to them, the next time I got an A my reward? A cup of sweet-as-honey grape juice! As an adult, i later found out there were many such instances throughout my school life. Many times when my parents called or visited teachers or principals making sure I wasn't being ignored, mistreated, or treated differently because of my color. I believe there were other
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
I live in the software capital of the world where you fall over programmers on a daily basis (Seattle) and the closest on is in either Idaho or Oregon. There used to be some here, but they closed.Maybe some markets perform better than others Martin wrote: This kinda surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a handful of these stores in Metro Atlanta, but the two that I frequent are always bustling. I'm feeling less competition here and more willingness to firm up the bottom line. So what if it puts a few thousand innocent souls on the street? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:jgalante3%40bloomberg.net . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Urine is the best fertilizer - Take the piss right out of you
Love it!!! :) Martin wrote: Well, I'm off to fertilize the White House lawn, folks. Think I may compost while I'm there, too... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Chris de Morsella wrote: Talk about your high yuck factor. Scientists at the University of Kuopio in Finland grew cabbages using a conventional fertilizer, human urine that had been stored for 6 months, or no soil amendment at all. The researchers report that the urine treatment yielded cabbages that were bigger and carried fewer germs than those grown by either other approach. Analyses of the urine used in these experiments showed that its nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium contents were comparable to those of commercial fertilizer. Urine collected from one individual over the course of a year could fertilize a 90-square-meter plot, yielding more than 160 cabbages, the team calculates. The data indicate that a urine-treated plot would yield 64 kilograms more cabbage than one fertilized conventionally. (SCIENCE NEWS, 2007) Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass'
I think the bear character was the On Dec 9, 2007 7:26 AM, Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meta, I think that's the alternate title of it. I know that, sometimes, books are released on different continents under different titles and I *think* you're in Europe, right? Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass' I'm confused about the title. I have a copy of Pullman's book, (I haven't read it yet.:-)) but the first book of the three is called 'Northern Lights', so where does 'The Golden Compass' title comes from? I've had 'His Dark Materials' for years, but was a bit apprehensive to start fearing that it wouldn't be a good read. Is it? Meta There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass' (spoiler)
I think the bear character was the only character in the movie that was fully developed. The audience I saw it with had a strong cheering reaction for the bear and his sub-plot then they did for the overall movie. The movie did feel extremely rushed and could have tacked on another hour to finish up the complete book and not chop it off 2/3's of the way into the story. The audience boo's where very strong when the movie ended the way it did.
Re: [scifinoir2] Gonna See The Golden Compass?
no, you're on base. everything you say is true, Smith just needs in my opinion to jump in a take a chance. Perry definitely brings in mostly black audiences, but Will Smith has a built in likeability factor for white audiences. again, i'm just wondering how much popularity is enough, how much money is enough, for him to do it? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good point, but I think Perry is making movie history, by proving that you can make lots of movies with a predominantly Black audience that is not in the teen target demographics. As far as I know, less than 20% of Perry's audience is not African American. I think someone with a smaller budget flick and black or black love will at some point have a mega-hit. It will cause the ditto-head decision-makers to try to duplicate that success over and over. This will enable the masses to adapt. I think that is how they got used to interracial match-ups. I think that for it to work, it can not be with a predominantly Black cast, but with a cast similar to most mainstream movies, but the difference is the male and female leads are both African American. The problem with Smith taking a risk with that movie is the budget and the high profile. If he had taken the risk you think he should have and it was a low budget movie (maybe even one he bankrolled) that became a breakout hit great. If it failed, it would not have been as much risk to his clout in Hollywood. Just my cynical musings. I actually hope I'm way off base and that he is just gutless. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that when the like of Tyler Perry can do fifty million in less than two weeks, Will Smith would have been a success with Hitch. he still would have drawn in a lot of whites, and blacks would have seen it too. It may have only made one hundred million instead of, say one hundred seventy-five, but when is the time to take a chance if not then? I hear what you're saying, but if America isn't ready now, when will they ever be? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Your assuming that he has enough clout to survive if (in my opinion- when) they were proved right and it turned out not to be a block bluster. I think, though he might has sold out in a way, he was shrewd enough to realize that it was a battle that if he won, would do him harm. American Audiences are not ready. I think he should fight for such a goal in an art house, low budget venture with less to loose if it does not deliver at the box office. Hollywood decision makers are fickle. do you remember when Travolta could not get a reading after two flops. It took several years to revive his career. Smith only has one flop that I know of ..Wild West, had that romance flopped he would have been perceived as not being able to be a romantic lead. no star, of any race has enough clout to survive flops caused by going up against the big decision makers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right on. I was really thrown when i heard that Master and Commander changed the book's premise, changing the bad guys from the Americans to the France. That really pisses me off. As for Sali Richardson in Legend tha'ts really just a throwaway roll. See, the problem with Hollywood isn't giving a Black man a Black wife in a movie where the romance isn't the focus. It's in a straight up romantic comedy or dramatic love story where the love is the focus when they balk. Hence, Smith was told that giving him a black lady would have made it a black movie, and scared away white audiences. And a white love interest would have scared away white audiences as well, so they got something that to their puny minds was in between: a Latina. I find that to be contemptible, and I'm more than a little pissed that Smith didn't use all that supposed clout to fight for a Sister anyway -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) Keith, you are assuming the US audience is intelligent and open to alternative perspectives, like yourself. I was reading an American blog for Blood+, an anime on Adult Swim, in which the US creates a global plague for which they have the cure and thus power. The blogger was shocked that a lot of Anime positioned the US as a corrupt bad guy. I understand why they are inclined to see our government that way. But, most Americans perceive us as the men in White, always doing good, even when we do wrong; Many unenlightened White Americans, also have no interest in seeing Black on Black love. While I have heard backlash over Will Smith being the lead in I am Legend, I have not yet heard anything negative about Salli
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
Well this is is really bad news. There¹s no other Apple specialist in the area except the Apple Store. I don¹t know if you¹ve ever tried to get a Mac serviced at an Apple Store, but I don¹t think there is a collection of people who know less about Macs than people who work at the Apple store. CompUSA has always turned my repairs and upgrades around quickly and it¹s the only place I actually get the value of buying a service plan. This is really bad news. BUT...that¹s gonna be one helluva sale. I¹ve wanted to get one of those Apple Cinema monitors for a while. On 12/9/07 7:41 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kinda surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a handful of these stores in Metro Atlanta, but the two that I frequent are always bustling. I'm feeling less competition here and more willingness to firm up the bottom line. So what if it puts a few thousand innocent souls on the street? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:jgalante3%40bloomberg.net . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087amp;sid=aomuLvfkNzTYamp;refe r=home Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
they're still open? The ones in the areas where I shop closed earlier this year. I'd read an announcement earlier this year they had all closed in May... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] This kinda surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a handful of these stores in Metro Atlanta, but the two that I frequent are always bustling. I'm feeling less competition here and more willingness to firm up the bottom line. So what if it puts a few thousand innocent souls on the street? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
i didn't know they were still open. The CompUSA's here in Atlanta closed back in May. Too bad, too: while Best Buy and Wal-Mart are okay for some things, like pre-built computer systems, printers, and some parts like networking cards, they're not on CompUSA's level. I could go to CompUSA and buy all the stuff those big box stores have and more. They had a wider selection of different types of networking equipment, things not stocked by Best Buy or Wal-mart because they're not household names. I could buy parts to build my own computers at CompUSA, which can't be done at the big boxes. Most importantly of all, Best Buy's Geek Squad notwithstanding, the staff at CompUSA was trained specifically to work on IT technology. With Best Buy, most of the time the staff simply stocks the stuff, and even the so-called experts don't impress me often. It's gotten somewhat better with the Geek Squad, but again, when a store isn't a computer specialty store, something suffers. Even with their de dicated computer store, you're still having to fight the resources of the staff being split among all kinds of customers. And go past pure IT for a moment and look at things like TVs or iPods, and the big box staff is incredibly clueless. Nine times out of ten, the research i do on my own sees me in the store knowing way more about flatscreen TVs, MP3 players, etc., than the supposedly knowledgeable staff trying to sell the stuff to me. I use Best Buy for price comparisons, and will buy there if i find something like a network card or printer that's cheaper than the competition. But i do my own research, and i don't use their staff for much. Wal-Mart is right out in that arena. So now for really good computer shopping, i have to focus on specialty mom-and-pop stores, smaller chains lke Micro Center, or do my shopping on the Net. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
it's bad news for those of us who want to look under the hood. so many people just want to go to a store, buy a pre-configured system, and just use it out the box. little in the way of tweaking, which is how stores like Wal-Mart and Best Buy make their dough: they sell you big packages includeing PC, monitor, printer, etc, but they're not always the best product available, or the best deal. that's why i'll miss CompUSA. And yeah: i once had Best Buy do some work on my PC, and it took days and was expensive, while at least the CompUSA folks were dedicated to the job. -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well this is is really bad news. There¹s no other Apple specialist in the area except the Apple Store. I don¹t know if you¹ve ever tried to get a Mac serviced at an Apple Store, but I don¹t think there is a collection of people who know less about Macs than people who work at the Apple store. CompUSA has always turned my repairs and upgrades around quickly and it¹s the only place I actually get the value of buying a service plan. This is really bad news. BUT...that¹s gonna be one helluva sale. I¹ve wanted to get one of those Apple Cinema monitors for a while. On 12/9/07 7:41 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kinda surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a handful of these stores in Metro Atlanta, but the two that I frequent are always bustling. I'm feeling less competition here and more willingness to firm up the bottom line. So what if it puts a few thousand innocent souls on the street? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:jgalante3%40bloomberg.net . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087amp;sid=aomuLvfkNzTYamp;refe r=home Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
the costume probably didn't help. The same face, eyes, and bearing shine through in both roles... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why does she seem more attractive in Gallactica that Xena. Is it simply the costumes, did she do something to her hair, or is it the character they created for her. ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think it's the eyes, they draw me in... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ââ¬Â¦ even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man
Re: [scifinoir2] Megan Gale to play Wonder Woman
Suits...another batch ripe for fertilization. Seriously, they probably saw the backlash to that producer who was dumb enough to make the women don't draw big at the box remark, and flip-flopped. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute guys, has Gale been cast to play Wonder Woman in Justice League? Didn't the suits decide to not do any more female super heroes? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, i don't know about the new guy, but i'm actually kinda glad Whedon didn't get this. I love his work, but Whedon's a bit too infatuated with the girl-woman for me. He loves the very young women, teens barely into womanhood, and the exploration of all that vulnerability. That's okay for a while, but frankly i want to see a *woman* as Wonder Woman, not a young girl struggling with her self-identity. Don't want to see another Buffy or a River, another woman barely into her 20s. I remember reading a quote from Whedon where he said that he was going to make Diana quite a bit younger than she's typically portrayed, and that concerned me. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Agreed! Bosco Bosco wrote: it would have been great if they had left Whedon in control. I predict disaster. B --- Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:streetforce1%40gmail.com mailto:streetforce1%40gmail.com wrote: I hope this movie is good cause it could be really really corney. Some things are best left on print or as cartoons. On Dec 1, 2007 12:50 PM, Justin Mohareb [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:justinmohareb%40gmail.com mailto:justinmohareb%40gmail.com wrote: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=331126 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=331126 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=331126 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=331126 A model, apparently. Hope she can pull it off. Time to hit the weights, little sheila! JJ Mohareb -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com http://greasyguide.com http://greasyguide.com http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com http://www.streetsweetnyc.com http://www.streetsweetnyc.com http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
What the Wise Chicagoan said. Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comcrap was correct...(grumble) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can see the who one-hour uninterrupted if you have Comcrap- I mean comcast on demand. They have under the nicktoons category as one episode. I saw it yesterday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: last night was the rerun, but only part one of the one-hour Black Sun. So check next week for part 2, which is the better half. . Avatar is running ten all new episodes. I think they may have done the first batch of ten, so keep watch and see if the show starts reruning next week -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com D'OH! And I have no excuse, as the movie I'd been watching went off twenty minutes before it came on. And I bet I've missed any possible repeat now... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
I'll second that, and add on her smile. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think it's the eyes, they draw me in... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ⦠even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
Tracey, I didn't like her shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time or three, but I still don't like it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ⦠even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
Thinking on it longer, I have to add that both of these stores I mentioned are in wealthy enclaves (Buckhead and North Gwinnett, which Keith can attest to). Maybe it's the money that keeps them going, literally. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in the software capital of the world where you fall over programmers on a daily basis (Seattle) and the closest on is in either Idaho or Oregon. There used to be some here, but they closed.Maybe some markets perform better than others Martin wrote: This kinda surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a handful of these stores in Metro Atlanta, but the two that I frequent are always bustling. I'm feeling less competition here and more willingness to firm up the bottom line. So what if it puts a few thousand innocent souls on the street? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:jgalante3%40bloomberg.net . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text
Re: [scifinoir2] Urine is the best fertilizer - Take the piss right out of you
You won't have to bother posting bail, as I'm certain they'll ship me right off to Gitmo. Nail files in cakes are old-hat, folks. Go for monofilament fibers... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Love it!!! :) Martin wrote: Well, I'm off to fertilize the White House lawn, folks. Think I may compost while I'm there, too... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Chris de Morsella wrote: Talk about your high yuck factor. Scientists at the University of Kuopio in Finland grew cabbages using a conventional fertilizer, human urine that had been stored for 6 months, or no soil amendment at all. The researchers report that the urine treatment yielded cabbages that were bigger and carried fewer germs than those grown by either other approach. Analyses of the urine used in these experiments showed that its nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium contents were comparable to those of commercial fertilizer. Urine collected from one individual over the course of a year could fertilize a 90-square-meter plot, yielding more than 160 cabbages, the team calculates. The data indicate that a urine-treated plot would yield 64 kilograms more cabbage than one fertilized conventionally. (SCIENCE NEWS, 2007) Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ' Buffy' Reprisal
i did not realize her hair color was blond. I'd like to think that it was the soft hair style, feminine dress, and more complex personality. I hope it is not simply that she is blond. I thought it was light brown. now I gotta check. Daryle wrote: We're all gonna be mad after I point this out. But, I gotta do it. She's a blonde in Galactica. And, she's using what's closer to her actual voice/accent. On 12/9/07 10:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: the costume probably didn't help. The same face, eyes, and bearing shine through in both roles... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Why does she seem more attractive in Gallactica that Xena. Is it simply the costumes, did she do something to her hair, or is it the character they created for her. ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i think it's the eyes, they draw me in... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ââ,¬Â? even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ' Buffy' Reprisal
I think the voice might have something to do with it. Her speaking seems more nuanced Daryle wrote: We're all gonna be mad after I point this out. But, I gotta do it. She's a blonde in Galactica. And, she's using what's closer to her actual voice/accent. On 12/9/07 10:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: the costume probably didn't help. The same face, eyes, and bearing shine through in both roles... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Why does she seem more attractive in Gallactica that Xena. Is it simply the costumes, did she do something to her hair, or is it the character they created for her. ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i think it's the eyes, they draw me in... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ââ,¬Â? even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That
[scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials, writer/director Chris Weitz's film is set in an alternate world ruled by an oppressive religious authority. It features talking animals and a heroine played by youngster Dakota Blue Richards. Even though the film downplays the religious aspect, it has been savaged by such groups as the Catholic League and the U.S. Conference of Bishops. Opponents have cited Pullman's unflattering portrayal of the church and specifically the Catholic faith. Critics were also generally negative on the film, according to the web site Rotten Tomatoes (www.rottentomatoes.com), which collates reviews. The film represents another disappointment for Kidman, who had yet to headline a live-action $100 million movie. Her most recent successes were 2005's The Interpreter ($72 million) and 2003's Cold Mountain ($96 million). She and Craig co-starred in the summer release The Invasion, which flopped with just $15 million. Craig had better luck reviving the James Bond franchise last year with Casino Royale ($167 million). New Line has also struggled. Its biggest movie of 2007, Rush Hour 3 ($140 million), earned less than half of its predecessor. Other films, such as Jim Carrey's The Number 23 and the wartime drama Rendition quickly came and went. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
In a message dated 12/9/07 10:53:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well this is is really bad news. There〓s no other Apple specialist in the area except the Apple Store. I don〓t know if you〓ve ever tried to get a Mac serviced at an Apple Store, but I don〓t think there is a collection of people who know less about Macs than people who work at the Apple store. Well I was about take mine in to the Apple Bar for them to look over it (which from what I got from them it's free-It's the repairs that aren't) but had to cancil due to the snow. I'm going to try again somethime this week. CompUSA has always turned my repairs and upgrades around quickly and it〓s the only place I actually get the value of buying a service plan. This is really bad news. Yeah. This is bad news too for much of the same reasons. BUT...that〓s gonna be one helluva sale. I〓ve wanted to get one of those Apple Cinema monitors for a while. And it's comming at just the time I'm looking for a flat screen LCD monitor too. And that's probally the only good thing comming from this. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
I think I read that part of the business with survive and be sold. I get the impression that is the part that remains competitive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's bad news for those of us who want to look under the hood. so many people just want to go to a store, buy a pre-configured system, and just use it out the box. little in the way of tweaking, which is how stores like Wal-Mart and Best Buy make their dough: they sell you big packages includeing PC, monitor, printer, etc, but they're not always the best product available, or the best deal. that's why i'll miss CompUSA. And yeah: i once had Best Buy do some work on my PC, and it took days and was expensive, while at least the CompUSA folks were dedicated to the job. -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well this is is really bad news. There¹s no other Apple specialist in the area except the Apple Store. I don¹t know if you¹ve ever tried to get a Mac serviced at an Apple Store, but I don¹t think there is a collection of people who know less about Macs than people who work at the Apple store. CompUSA has always turned my repairs and upgrades around quickly and it¹s the only place I actually get the value of buying a service plan. This is really bad news. BUT...that¹s gonna be one helluva sale. I¹ve wanted to get one of those Apple Cinema monitors for a while. On 12/9/07 7:41 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kinda surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a handful of these stores in Metro Atlanta, but the two that I frequent are always bustling. I'm feeling less competition here and more willingness to firm up the bottom line. So what if it puts a few thousand innocent souls on the street? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:jgalante3%40bloomberg.net . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them in. in the same way, they heard that Compass was based on anti-religious themes, which i feel kept many away -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials, writer/director Chris Weitz's film is set in an alternate world ruled by an oppressive religious authority. It features talking animals and a heroine played by youngster Dakota Blue Richards. Even though the film downplays the religious aspect, it has been savaged by such groups as the Catholic League and the U.S. Conference of Bishops. Opponents have cited Pullman's unflattering portrayal of the church and specifically the Catholic faith. Critics were also generally negative on the film, according to the web site Rotten Tomatoes (www.rottentomatoes.com), which collates reviews. The film represents another disappointment for Kidman, who had yet to headline a live-action $100 million movie. Her most recent successes were 2005's The Interpreter ($72 million) and 2003's Cold Mountain ($96 million). She and Craig co-starred in the summer release The Invasion, which flopped with just $15 million. Craig had better luck reviving the James Bond franchise last year with Casino Royale ($167 million). New Line has also struggled. Its biggest movie of 2007, Rush Hour 3 ($140 million), earned less than half of its predecessor. Other films, such as Jim Carrey's The Number 23 and the wartime drama Rendition quickly came and went. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
I think I read in the article, that the TechPro technical services division, will not be closed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/07 11:43:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net writes: it's bad news for those of us who want to look under the hood. so many people just want to go to a store, buy a pre-configured system, and just use it out the box. little in the way of tweaking, which is how stores like Wal-Mart and Best Buy make their dough: they sell you big packages includeing PC, monitor, printer, etc, but they're not always the best product available, or the best deal. that's why i'll miss CompUSA. And yeah: i once had Best Buy do some work on my PC, and it took days and was expensive, while at least the CompUSA folks were dedicated to the job. I agree. While I like macs, I prefer to buy older macs and upgrade them (in the long run it's cheaper and you learn alot hardware wise at least). And CompUSA was one of the few places where you can go up and buy mac parts and not get dirty looks for it. Also they had one of the best mac repair departments around outside of the apple stores (in case you screw up). So yeah I am going to miss them here in Columbus, OH. Damn. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
In a message dated 12/9/07 1:20:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I read in the article, that the TechPro technical services division, will not be closed If they've not going to be closed then where are they going to put them? -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them in. in the same way, they heard that Compass was based on anti-religious themes, which i feel kept many away -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials, writer/director Chris Weitz's film is set in an alternate world ruled by an oppressive religious authority. It features talking animals and a heroine played by youngster Dakota Blue Richards. Even though the film downplays the religious aspect, it has been savaged by such groups as the Catholic League and the U.S. Conference of Bishops. Opponents have cited Pullman's unflattering portrayal of the church and specifically the Catholic faith. Critics were also generally negative on the film, according to the web site Rotten Tomatoes (www.rottentomatoes.com), which collates reviews. The film represents another disappointment for Kidman, who had yet to headline a live-action $100 million movie. Her most recent successes were 2005's The Interpreter ($72 million) and 2003's Cold Mountain ($96 million). She and Craig co-starred in the summer release The Invasion, which flopped with just $15 million. Craig had better luck reviving the James Bond franchise last year with Casino Royale ($167 million). New Line has also struggled. Its biggest movie of 2007, Rush Hour 3 ($140 million), earned less than half of its predecessor. Other films, such as Jim Carrey's The Number 23 and the wartime drama Rendition quickly came and went. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
They did not say that in the article. Just that it would be sold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/07 1:20:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com writes: I think I read in the article, that the TechPro technical services division, will not be closed If they've not going to be closed then where are they going to put them? -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
In a message dated 12/9/07 11:43:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it's bad news for those of us who want to look under the hood. so many people just want to go to a store, buy a pre-configured system, and just use it out the box. little in the way of tweaking, which is how stores like Wal-Mart and Best Buy make their dough: they sell you big packages includeing PC, monitor, printer, etc, but they're not always the best product available, or the best deal. that's why i'll miss CompUSA. And yeah: i once had Best Buy do some work on my PC, and it took days and was expensive, while at least the CompUSA folks were dedicated to the job. I agree. While I like macs, I prefer to buy older macs and upgrade them (in the long run it's cheaper and you learn alot hardware wise at least). And CompUSA was one of the few places where you can go up and buy mac parts and not get dirty looks for it. Also they had one of the best mac repair departments around outside of the apple stores (in case you screw up). So yeah I am going to miss them here in Columbus, OH. Damn. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of â Buffyâ Reprisal
We're all gonna be mad after I point this out. But, I gotta do it. She's a blonde in Galactica. And, she's using what's closer to her actual voice/accent. On 12/9/07 10:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the costume probably didn't help. The same face, eyes, and bearing shine through in both roles... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why does she seem more attractive in Gallactica that Xena. Is it simply the costumes, did she do something to her hair, or is it the character they created for her. ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think it's the eyes, they draw me in... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ââ¬Â¦ even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
It would appear we have finally found someone who will go broke underestimating the American people. JJ Mohareb On Dec 9, 2007 1:31 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
I'm thinking overseas, as every other IT division seems to be going. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/07 1:20:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I read in the article, that the TechPro technical services division, will not be closed If they've not going to be closed then where are they going to put them? -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
Agree with you, Keith. Also have to ask the simple question. Why? What can he put into the franchise that animation can't? Okay, that was two. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am completely unsure what to think about Night doing an Avatar movie. It's one of those things where just trying to do a live action version makes one nervous already. And I just don't see anything in Night's past body of work (much of which i love) that makes me think he'll capture the tone of Avatar faithfully. I just don't know, but as is typical for me, think i'd rather see a feature length animated version than a live action film... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forgot about the idiot king spilling all to Azula. I do love this show, but I never known when it is going to come on or how to get my husband into it, so I always end up seeing it on On-Demand, which is not bad, since there are no commercials, I agree that the show continues to evolve. I can't wait to see what these guys do next. If you ask me, it barely resembles the cute kids show it started out with. I can see why it continues to attract an increasing number of adults. Too bad this is the last season. What do you think about M. Night doing the live action version. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some spoilers yeah, i posted about it last week, when this aired. Last night was a rerun. i loved it. Watching all the forces attack the Fire Nation, then lose when the tables were turned. You know, they keep finding new ways to show how the Bending arts work. Did you see the Water Benders use the water to flip the tanks over? How about the way Kitara uses water like a whip or sword? And Toth is the girl! She is the first Earth Bender ever to learn how to bend metal--something previously though impossible. This show was almost as good as the season ender from last season when Azula zapped Ang with lightning while he was in the Avatar state. Almost... if you saw last season, you know the Fire Nation was prepared for the attack because the Earth King, fooled into thinking Azula was on his side, told her of the solar eclipse and the plan to use it for the attack. Azula came into Ba-Sing-Se in disguise, pretending to be one of the lady fighters from season one (the same group from which Socka's love originated). As for the solar eclipse, Socka discovered the upcoming eclipse in an ancient underground library that held all the world's knowledge. he tricked the serpent-bird guardian into getting the info, then spent weeks preparing for the attack. Azula so intimidated the leader of the Earth King's secret police (which really runs Ba-Sing-Se, not the king) that the secret police switched allegiance to her. They turned on the man who lead them and switched to Azula. Thus, armed with the knowledge of the invasion, and many Earth Benders (who may be the most overall powerful of the Benders) Azula had the Fire Nation ready for the att ack. Loved this show! Did you see Azula evade Ang while she was de-powered? That girl is amazing. Evil, but amazing. Azula is one of the best fighters around. Period. She is possibly only equaled or surpassed by her Uncle Iro (when she tried to zap her brother, Iro was actually able to reroute the lightning), her father the Fire Lord, and possibly, her brother, who seems to be finding his courage and confidence. Speaking of, did you see when Zuko confronted the Fire Lord, and *he* deflected his dad's lightning? Awesome! Iro is probably my favorite character. He is tragic and noble and funny, and has grown. You learned there was something different about Iro when he told the Fire Lord general that complete elimination of any of hte Bending arts would be a catastrophe. You got a clue that he alone among the Fire Nation leaders understood the need for balance, and might have been changing his ideas about the conquest. Iro and Zuko have grown in so many ways it's amazing, especially Zuko. all that anger and frustration, the way he betrayed the Avatar at the end of season two. (if you haven't seen the last two or three eps of last season, you *must* do so!) I'm thinking in the end, Zuko will have to confront Azula; and I wonder if Iro might not be the one to take on his younger brother the Fire Lord instead of Ang (the Fire Lord usurped the throne when their father died, because Iro was away sieging Ba-Sing-Se and sick with grief over the death of his son. Iro is the rightful ruler, but never challenged his brother for the throne). Avatar gets better with every season, which is why i'm so annoyingly persistent in crowing about it. With iro escaped, Zuko now siding with Ang, Azula pissed, and Zuko's mother possibly being alive, the intrigues just keep coming. can't wait for what else is on the horizon -- Original
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
US adult audiences overall, do not take animation seriously and it will not deliver blockbuster numbers if it is in animation form unless they classify it as a family film Martin wrote: Agree with you, Keith. Also have to ask the simple question. Why? What can he put into the franchise that animation can't? Okay, that was two. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I am completely unsure what to think about Night doing an Avatar movie. It's one of those things where just trying to do a live action version makes one nervous already. And I just don't see anything in Night's past body of work (much of which i love) that makes me think he'll capture the tone of Avatar faithfully. I just don't know, but as is typical for me, think i'd rather see a feature length animated version than a live action film... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com I forgot about the idiot king spilling all to Azula. I do love this show, but I never known when it is going to come on or how to get my husband into it, so I always end up seeing it on On-Demand, which is not bad, since there are no commercials, I agree that the show continues to evolve. I can't wait to see what these guys do next. If you ask me, it barely resembles the cute kids show it started out with. I can see why it continues to attract an increasing number of adults. Too bad this is the last season. What do you think about M. Night doing the live action version. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: some spoilers yeah, i posted about it last week, when this aired. Last night was a rerun. i loved it. Watching all the forces attack the Fire Nation, then lose when the tables were turned. You know, they keep finding new ways to show how the Bending arts work. Did you see the Water Benders use the water to flip the tanks over? How about the way Kitara uses water like a whip or sword? And Toth is the girl! She is the first Earth Bender ever to learn how to bend metal--something previously though impossible. This show was almost as good as the season ender from last season when Azula zapped Ang with lightning while he was in the Avatar state. Almost... if you saw last season, you know the Fire Nation was prepared for the attack because the Earth King, fooled into thinking Azula was on his side, told her of the solar eclipse and the plan to use it for the attack. Azula came into Ba-Sing-Se in disguise, pretending to be one of the lady fighters from season one (the same group from which Socka's love originated). As for the solar eclipse, Socka discovered the upcoming eclipse in an ancient underground library that held all the world's knowledge. he tricked the serpent-bird guardian into getting the info, then spent weeks preparing for the attack. Azula so intimidated the leader of the Earth King's secret police (which really runs Ba-Sing-Se, not the king) that the secret police switched allegiance to her. They turned on the man who lead them and switched to Azula. Thus, armed with the knowledge of the invasion, and many Earth Benders (who may be the most overall powerful of the Benders) Azula had the Fire Nation ready for the att ack. Loved this show! Did you see Azula evade Ang while she was de-powered? That girl is amazing. Evil, but amazing. Azula is one of the best fighters around. Period. She is possibly only equaled or surpassed by her Uncle Iro (when she tried to zap her brother, Iro was actually able to reroute the lightning), her father the Fire Lord, and possibly, her brother, who seems to be finding his courage and confidence. Speaking of, did you see when Zuko confronted the Fire Lord, and *he* deflected his dad's lightning? Awesome! Iro is probably my favorite character. He is tragic and noble and funny, and has grown. You learned there was something different about Iro when he told the Fire Lord general that complete elimination of any of hte Bending arts would be a catastrophe. You got a clue that he alone among the Fire Nation leaders understood the need for balance, and might have been changing his ideas about the conquest. Iro and Zuko have grown in so many ways it's amazing, especially Zuko. all that anger and frustration, the way he betrayed the Avatar at the end of season two. (if you haven't seen the last two or three eps of last season, you *must* do so!) I'm thinking in the end, Zuko will have to confront Azula; and I wonder if Iro might not be the one to take on his younger brother the Fire Lord instead of Ang (the Fire Lord usurped the throne when their father died, because Iro was away sieging Ba-Sing-Se and sick with grief over the death of his son. Iro is the rightful ruler, but never challenged his brother for the throne).
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
more than likely Martin wrote: I'm thinking overseas, as every other IT division seems to be going. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:GWashin891%40aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/9/07 1:20:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com writes: I think I read in the article, that the TechPro technical services division, will not be closed If they've not going to be closed then where are they going to put them? -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Neuromancer
Keith, maybe it's what the youngsters today like. Short-attention spans seem to be de rigeur. he makes some good points, but i've seen enough modern music video directors' work to stand by my apprehension. that he uses Michael Bay as an example really worries me: i hate Bay's directing style. If i didn't already know he directed music videos, i'd have guess. What I see from a lot of such directors is a lack of understanding of telling a story slowly, a penchant for too many quick cuts and over active closeup shots that force the action down my thorad, instead of slow pans and long shots that fill the screen. Look at some of the old classics like Lawrence of Arabia or The Bridge on the River Kwai, and note the long pans and camera angles. Then contrast those to some of the stuff music video directors make. Of course, much of my feeling stems form the fact that i hate most modern music vidoes: I just don't get why you have to have about a dozen camera cuts in a dozen seconds, why the picture changes angles constantly, why the color hyperactively moves from black and wh ite to full color. That being said, I haven't seen any of this gentleman's work, movies or music videos -- Original message -- From: Daryle I met Garrett Wang at LAX Airport yesterday morning. It was a very cool conversation. If you¹re ever at a Trek con and see him there, by all means strike up a conversation with him. He asked if I knew about the project. Apparently he¹s being considered for one of the roles. As of yesterday, he hadn¹t read the book So I described it for him. So if he ends up in the movie I¹ll be pretty excited. I am all for this project being made, and Khan¹s Britney Spears work is completely irrelevant. He directed music videos, he didn¹t write the songs. Steven Spielberg directed ³1941² and ³A.I². If any of us had done those pictures, we¹d never work in Hollywood again. It¹s time for directors to branch out and do challenging work. That¹s enough of Brett Ratner doing everything. There is apparently a lot of backlash about Khan getting the project, which is rally interesting to me. Music video work is better than film school sometimes. His commercial work is really good! I don¹t know if any director would ever be ³good enough² to take this project on, and apparently Khan agrees. The following is from Joseph Khan¹s MySpace blog: ³Variety blew my cover over the weekend. This is the screenplay I've been working on for the last two years. As to the backlash. There's going to be a backlash. You have to be nuts or stupid to take on a monster like this. I knew what I was getting myself into. Stanley Kubrick could take this on and he'd have a 14 year old in Iowa blogging on how wack the cgi effects were in 2001, and then on the other hand a 45 year old child molestor completely insistant nothing will ever look as good as the visuals in his own head. And they'd both hate Torque. I could see how the combination of the Britney Spears director with William Gibson is a controversial choice. But the problem is, the summation of my career is not Britney Spears. I've done plenty of cred videos: Moby, Chemical Brothers, Korn, U2, Muse to name a few. The headlines sound attractively pessimistic to slap the successful pop example of my work to a supposedly nihilistic work like Neuromancer. It really just demonstrates how little most people know of the music video world and how it pertains to filmmaking. For instance, before David Fincher became the dark auteur that fanboys salivate over, he made his name doingPaula Abdul videos. And hard core Michael Bay with his rumbling guns and explosions madeMeatloaf videos, as well asThe Divinyls I Touch Myself. Those of you in the music video business know the score and understand why this is. I guess this is turning into a defense of myself, so I will defend myself. The other complaint lodged at me is that my movie Torque basically sucked. It's either a sell out piece of commercial crap, or an incompetant long form music video, or both, and it's a sure sign I'm clueless as a filmmaker. And to all of this, I'll say: they're wrong. Making your first movie under the Hollywood studio system is hard. It's the hardest thing I've ever done. I'm telling you honestly with no exaggeration: you have no clue what it's like to be put through that studio grinder and retain any sort of authorship. The politics, the pressure, the scapegoating, the interference, the pure physicality of an intense 70 day shoot, the budget hysterics, the permeating sense of fear and negativity from everyone. Torque is not 100% of what I wanted, but I'm proud of what it is, because at the end of the day, after going through this studio machine that blends movies together into mediocrity, it split people. Some hated it, others loved it. Some actually had both reactions at the same time. Whatever it was, it wasn't safe. The ice cream on the cone couldn't be digested
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
The skeptic in me says that they were thinking $$... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them in. in the same way, they heard that Compass was based on anti-religious themes, which i feel kept many away -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials, writer/director Chris Weitz's film is set in an alternate world ruled by an oppressive religious authority. It features talking animals and a heroine played by youngster Dakota Blue Richards. Even though the film downplays the religious aspect, it has been savaged by such groups as the Catholic League and the U.S. Conference of Bishops. Opponents have cited Pullman's unflattering portrayal of the church and specifically the Catholic faith. Critics were also generally negative on the film, according to the web site Rotten Tomatoes (www.rottentomatoes.com), which collates reviews. The film represents another disappointment for Kidman, who had yet to headline a live-action $100 million movie. Her most recent successes were 2005's The Interpreter ($72 million) and 2003's Cold Mountain ($96 million). She and Craig co-starred in the summer release The Invasion, which flopped with just $15 million. Craig had better luck reviving the James Bond franchise last year with Casino Royale ($167 million). New Line has also struggled. Its biggest movie of 2007, Rush Hour 3 ($140 million), earned less than half of its predecessor. Other films, such as Jim Carrey's The Number 23 and the wartime drama Rendition quickly came and went. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Anyone Watch Tin Man?
Felt like one of the two or three movies I remember about the retelling of the Arthurian legend, in which all the magic was removed. It's like art without color. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hercules was just plain awful...the rest had their moments. I wasn't too fun of merlin, though. I found it to be dull, not having either the magic of the legends, nor a good tale sans magic. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll put it even with everything you you listed, save for Hercules (which I never was able to get into). None of them wowed or insulted me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cool, thanks for the comments. I'll watch it this weekend. Assuming you watched all the other scifi/fantasy miniseries of the last several years (The Odyssey, Gulliver's Travels, Arabian Nights, Hercules, Dinotopia, Merlin, etc.) how does it rank? I think some of the same team produced it as some of those others, no? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I watched part one last night. I found it interesting and creative reimagining of the tale but it has a lot of the typical short comings of Sci-fi channel original programing. The script and the dialogue can tend to get a little awkward. There are some cheesy plot points and the direction and editing can feel ham handed. On the flipside, it's really pretty fun so far and the story is has been both intriguing and relatively well conceived. It's good enough to drive me to finish it this weekend before my girl has to go back to Mass for another ten days of work. I'll probably netflix it when it is released on DVD in the future. I probably will not buy it. Unless my kids really want it. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone? not hearing any reviews. I have the next week-and-a-half off from work, and wondering if i should watch the miniseries, or clear up the tape for Avatar and Legion of Superheroes -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Johnson) When I realized Tin Man was a three-part miniseries, and that tonight would run it up against Heroes and K*Ville, i elected to record the whole thing and watch it this weekend in one long marathon. Anyone watch part one last night? How was it? Hoping it was as cool as the trailers led me to hope... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] G.I. Joe - The Movie
I've angered the Yahu Gods. You must sacrifice me on the altar, to save the site... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something is really up with yahoo. Now they are refusing my approvals of so-called spam messages and saying that scifinoir2 does not exist.. I went on the site today and there were 15 new messages. I had just checked a day ago when there were 28 spam messages that I approved. Ironically, none of the messages were real spam messages Astromancer wrote: Boy, is this old stuff! Astromancer wrote: Ahem...that was 'stripper with a heart'...granted, for a sci-fi fix it would work, but it just nags me how they wasted such a good story idea for the 'quick money' format...I felt the same way about Stargate...I was more entertained by the Bill McKay novels based on the movie... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I don't think it was a masterpiece, but for home video viewing, it was fun if your bored and need your scifi fix. That being said, I had a problem with the hooker with a heart cliche, a long with probably scores of other chiches (sorry sp.) You also had to check your logic at the door. But if you watch these flicks with other scifi buffs, laughing and joking around about the corny factor is fun. Maybe I wound not have enjoyed them if I had watched them alone. I don't know Astromancer wrote: Now about Independence Day...did not and still do not like it...just another good idea thrown away in lieu of sensationalism...but that's my opinion about Dean Devlin's work... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I never got into the toon either. I did not think it was a cinematic masterpiece, but I enjoyed it is the vein of Independence Day. It was a fun adrenaline rush where you checked logic at the door. Maybe it was a movie for non-fans of the toon Astromancer wrote: Because I never watched the cartoon, I don't have the references you guys have...To be honest, the kid made the movie for me...It was written to be campy, that much I got...So with that perspective, I enjoyed it...Maybe I have a weakness for spastic nerds... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my problem with Transformers is the incredibly lame plot and acting. I loved the FX, but i all but gagged during some of the jokes, and found the plot boring. The whole thing with the Life Spark was crap: why not just bring in the Matrix of Leadership? Why did the Spark only create evil robots if it was the genesis of the Autobots as well? what kind of stupid strategy was it to let a puny human boy run off to save the day? Him dodging and avoiding battle 'droids--even supported by the Autobots--was stupid beyond belief. Incredible looking movie, juvenile writing... -- Original message -- From: Justin Mohareb On Nov 26, 2007 10:49 PM, streetforce1 wrote: So the G.I. Joe movie is starting to get buzz and cast members...but will it suck as hard at Transformers did? I hated the Transformers movie and not another of my favorite 80's cartoons is coming to live. Aug 2009 is the release date of the movie. The Army bits in Transformers made me think they'd originally planned it to be a GI Joe/Transformers crossover. The biggest problem I had with TF was that they killed the black robot first. In fact, I think he's the only Autobot that bought (bot?) it. JJ Mohareb -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letââ,¬â¢s just saying you know more than you think, but weââ,¬â¢re not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letâ¤^(TM)s just saying you know more than you think, but weâ¤^(TM)re not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Let's just saying you know more than you think, but we're not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street
RE: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
Then you are insufferably rich and don't miss the cash they syphon off you...(just my opinion) Signed Extremely Cash Deficient Individual Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Comcast. Bring it on! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:39 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun Comcrap was correct...(grumble) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: You can see the who one-hour uninterrupted if you have Comcrap- I mean comcast on demand. They have under the nicktoons category as one episode. I saw it yesterday KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: last night was the rerun, but only part one of the one-hour Black Sun. So check next week for part 2, which is the better half. . Avatar is running ten all new episodes. I think they may have done the first batch of ten, so keep watch and see if the show starts reruning next week -- Original message -- From: Martin truthseeker_ mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com D'OH! And I have no excuse, as the movie I'd been watching went off twenty minutes before it came on. And I bet I've missed any possible repeat now... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
I'll see if it works when I'm done here. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can see the who one-hour uninterrupted if you have Comcrap- I mean comcast on demand. They have under the nicktoons category as one episode. I saw it yesterday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: last night was the rerun, but only part one of the one-hour Black Sun. So check next week for part 2, which is the better half. . Avatar is running ten all new episodes. I think they may have done the first batch of ten, so keep watch and see if the show starts reruning next week -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com D'OH! And I have no excuse, as the movie I'd been watching went off twenty minutes before it came on. And I bet I've missed any possible repeat now... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
Tracey, regarding Night's live-action version- very little. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot about the idiot king spilling all to Azula. I do love this show, but I never known when it is going to come on or how to get my husband into it, so I always end up seeing it on On-Demand, which is not bad, since there are no commercials, I agree that the show continues to evolve. I can't wait to see what these guys do next. If you ask me, it barely resembles the cute kids show it started out with. I can see why it continues to attract an increasing number of adults. Too bad this is the last season. What do you think about M. Night doing the live action version. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some spoilers yeah, i posted about it last week, when this aired. Last night was a rerun. i loved it. Watching all the forces attack the Fire Nation, then lose when the tables were turned. You know, they keep finding new ways to show how the Bending arts work. Did you see the Water Benders use the water to flip the tanks over? How about the way Kitara uses water like a whip or sword? And Toth is the girl! She is the first Earth Bender ever to learn how to bend metal--something previously though impossible. This show was almost as good as the season ender from last season when Azula zapped Ang with lightning while he was in the Avatar state. Almost... if you saw last season, you know the Fire Nation was prepared for the attack because the Earth King, fooled into thinking Azula was on his side, told her of the solar eclipse and the plan to use it for the attack. Azula came into Ba-Sing-Se in disguise, pretending to be one of the lady fighters from season one (the same group from which Socka's love originated). As for the solar eclipse, Socka discovered the upcoming eclipse in an ancient underground library that held all the world's knowledge. he tricked the serpent-bird guardian into getting the info, then spent weeks preparing for the attack. Azula so intimidated the leader of the Earth King's secret police (which really runs Ba-Sing-Se, not the king) that the secret police switched allegiance to her. They turned on the man who lead them and switched to Azula. Thus, armed with the knowledge of the invasion, and many Earth Benders (who may be the most overall powerful of the Benders) Azula had the Fire Nation ready for the att ack. Loved this show! Did you see Azula evade Ang while she was de-powered? That girl is amazing. Evil, but amazing. Azula is one of the best fighters around. Period. She is possibly only equaled or surpassed by her Uncle Iro (when she tried to zap her brother, Iro was actually able to reroute the lightning), her father the Fire Lord, and possibly, her brother, who seems to be finding his courage and confidence. Speaking of, did you see when Zuko confronted the Fire Lord, and *he* deflected his dad's lightning? Awesome! Iro is probably my favorite character. He is tragic and noble and funny, and has grown. You learned there was something different about Iro when he told the Fire Lord general that complete elimination of any of hte Bending arts would be a catastrophe. You got a clue that he alone among the Fire Nation leaders understood the need for balance, and might have been changing his ideas about the conquest. Iro and Zuko have grown in so many ways it's amazing, especially Zuko. all that anger and frustration, the way he betrayed the Avatar at the end of season two. (if you haven't seen the last two or three eps of last season, you *must* do so!) I'm thinking in the end, Zuko will have to confront Azula; and I wonder if Iro might not be the one to take on his younger brother the Fire Lord instead of Ang (the Fire Lord usurped the throne when their father died, because Iro was away sieging Ba-Sing-Se and sick with grief over the death of his son. Iro is the rightful ruler, but never challenged his brother for the throne). Avatar gets better with every season, which is why i'm so annoyingly persistent in crowing about it. With iro escaped, Zuko now siding with Ang, Azula pissed, and Zuko's mother possibly being alive, the intrigues just keep coming. can't wait for what else is on the horizon -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
And, unfortunately, when the live-action version fails, it tarnishes the product, making any other work based on it suspect ab initio.. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: US adult audiences overall, do not take animation seriously and it will not deliver blockbuster numbers if it is in animation form unless they classify it as a family film Martin wrote: Agree with you, Keith. Also have to ask the simple question. Why? What can he put into the franchise that animation can't? Okay, that was two. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I am completely unsure what to think about Night doing an Avatar movie. It's one of those things where just trying to do a live action version makes one nervous already. And I just don't see anything in Night's past body of work (much of which i love) that makes me think he'll capture the tone of Avatar faithfully. I just don't know, but as is typical for me, think i'd rather see a feature length animated version than a live action film... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com I forgot about the idiot king spilling all to Azula. I do love this show, but I never known when it is going to come on or how to get my husband into it, so I always end up seeing it on On-Demand, which is not bad, since there are no commercials, I agree that the show continues to evolve. I can't wait to see what these guys do next. If you ask me, it barely resembles the cute kids show it started out with. I can see why it continues to attract an increasing number of adults. Too bad this is the last season. What do you think about M. Night doing the live action version. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: some spoilers yeah, i posted about it last week, when this aired. Last night was a rerun. i loved it. Watching all the forces attack the Fire Nation, then lose when the tables were turned. You know, they keep finding new ways to show how the Bending arts work. Did you see the Water Benders use the water to flip the tanks over? How about the way Kitara uses water like a whip or sword? And Toth is the girl! She is the first Earth Bender ever to learn how to bend metal--something previously though impossible. This show was almost as good as the season ender from last season when Azula zapped Ang with lightning while he was in the Avatar state. Almost... if you saw last season, you know the Fire Nation was prepared for the attack because the Earth King, fooled into thinking Azula was on his side, told her of the solar eclipse and the plan to use it for the attack. Azula came into Ba-Sing-Se in disguise, pretending to be one of the lady fighters from season one (the same group from which Socka's love originated). As for the solar eclipse, Socka discovered the upcoming eclipse in an ancient underground library that held all the world's knowledge. he tricked the serpent-bird guardian into getting the info, then spent weeks preparing for the attack. Azula so intimidated the leader of the Earth King's secret police (which really runs Ba-Sing-Se, not the king) that the secret police switched allegiance to her. They turned on the man who lead them and switched to Azula. Thus, armed with the knowledge of the invasion, and many Earth Benders (who may be the most overall powerful of the Benders) Azula had the Fire Nation ready for the att ack. Loved this show! Did you see Azula evade Ang while she was de-powered? That girl is amazing. Evil, but amazing. Azula is one of the best fighters around. Period. She is possibly only equaled or surpassed by her Uncle Iro (when she tried to zap her brother, Iro was actually able to reroute the lightning), her father the Fire Lord, and possibly, her brother, who seems to be finding his courage and confidence. Speaking of, did you see when Zuko confronted the Fire Lord, and *he* deflected his dad's lightning? Awesome! Iro is probably my favorite character. He is tragic and noble and funny, and has grown. You learned there was something different about Iro when he told the Fire Lord general that complete elimination of any of hte Bending arts would be a catastrophe. You got a clue that he alone among the Fire Nation leaders understood the need for balance, and might have been changing his ideas about the conquest. Iro and Zuko have grown in so many ways it's amazing, especially Zuko. all that anger and frustration, the way he betrayed the Avatar at the end of season two. (if you haven't seen the last two or three eps of last season, you *must* do so!) I'm thinking in the end, Zuko will have to confront Azula; and I wonder if Iro might not be the one to take on his younger brother the Fire Lord instead of Ang (the Fire
Re: [scifinoir2] CompUSA, Falling to Competition, to Shut Down After Holidays
They shut all of the stores in the Chicago proper. There may be 1 or 2 stores left nearby in the suburbs...God, I wish I had a car!!! Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kinda surprises me. To the best of my knowledge, there's only a handful of these stores in Metro Atlanta, but the two that I frequent are always bustling. I'm feeling less competition here and more willingness to firm up the bottom line. So what if it puts a few thousand innocent souls on the street? Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- CompUSA, the computer retailer that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim owned since 2000, will shut its doors after 23 years, succumbing to competition from Best Buy Co. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Restructuring firm Gordon Brothers Group LLC bought the chain for an undisclosed sum and will sell or close its 103 stores after the U.S. holidays, CompUSA said yesterday. The 67- year-old Slim, Latin America's richest man, failed to turn around CompUSA after investing more than $1.5 billion in the chain over eight years. ``An orderly and expedited wind-down and asset sale process is the best option for CompUSA and its creditors at this juncture,'' Bill Weinstein, a principal at Gordon Brothers, said in a statement. Weinstein will serve as interim president of CompUSA. Founded in 1984, CompUSA focuses on computer-related products for small companies and individuals. The chain, acquired by Slim in 2000, shut more than half of its stores earlier this year. CompUSA was a unit of Slim's U.S. Commercial Corp. SA, which had sales last year of 37.8 billion pesos ($3.5 billion). Richfield, Minnesota-based Best Buy, the biggest U.S. consumer electronics retailer, had revenue of $35.9 billion last year. No. 2 Circuit City Stores Inc. had sales of $12.4 billion. Boston-based Gordon Brothers' DJM unit helped Discovery Channel Stores, Bombay Co. and Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. sell properties. It plans to sell CompUSA's TechPro technical services division and CompUSA.com as well. CompUSA will discount items this month to get rid of inventory, Alex Stanton, spokesman for Gordon Brothers, said in an interview. He declined to comment further. Arturo Elias, a spokesman for Slim, didn't return a call seeking comment. 23-Year History CompUSA was founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas in 1984 by Mike Henochowicz and Errol Jacobson. The chain opened its first retail store in 1985 and the company changed its name to CompUSA in 1991. In 2000, Slim's Grupo Sanborns SA agreed to purchase the company for $797.7 million after holding a 14 percent stake since 1999. Slim invested at least $700 million more in recent years to shore up the retailer's finances. Slim is honorary chairman of Telefonos de Mexico SAB, which runs 90 percent of Mexico's 20 million telephone land lines. In 2003, he tried and failed to buy Richmond, Virginia-based Circuit City for $1.5 billion. Slim hired Credit Suisse Group last year to put CompUSA up for sale. Earlier this year, he said he would sell the chain ``if anyone will buy it.'' ``We made a mistake with management,'' Slim said at a news conference in Mexico City in March. Law firms Cooley Godward Kronish LLP and Kelley Drye Warren LLP were hired to represent creditors and landlords, CompUSA said. To contact the reporter on this story: Joseph Galante in New York at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Last Updated: December 8, 2007 00:24 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aomuLvfkNzTYrefer=home Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass' (spoiler)
Mr. Street, may I ask what park of the country you're from? That name sounds a bit familiar...don't worry, I quit bound hunting years ago... Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the bear character was the only character in the movie that was fully developed. The audience I saw it with had a strong cheering reaction for the bear and his sub-plot then they did for the overall movie. The movie did feel extremely rushed and could have tacked on another hour to finish up the complete book and not chop it off 2/3's of the way into the story. The audience boo's where very strong when the movie ended the way it did. Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] G.I. Joe - The Movie
No worries. It seems totally like a malfunction Martin wrote: I've angered the Yahu Gods. You must sacrifice me on the altar, to save the site... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Something is really up with yahoo. Now they are refusing my approvals of so-called spam messages and saying that scifinoir2 does not exist.. I went on the site today and there were 15 new messages. I had just checked a day ago when there were 28 spam messages that I approved. Ironically, none of the messages were real spam messages Astromancer wrote: Boy, is this old stuff! Astromancer wrote: Ahem...that was 'stripper with a heart'...granted, for a sci-fi fix it would work, but it just nags me how they wasted such a good story idea for the 'quick money' format...I felt the same way about Stargate...I was more entertained by the Bill McKay novels based on the movie... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I don't think it was a masterpiece, but for home video viewing, it was fun if your bored and need your scifi fix. That being said, I had a problem with the hooker with a heart cliche, a long with probably scores of other chiches (sorry sp.) You also had to check your logic at the door. But if you watch these flicks with other scifi buffs, laughing and joking around about the corny factor is fun. Maybe I wound not have enjoyed them if I had watched them alone. I don't know Astromancer wrote: Now about Independence Day...did not and still do not like it...just another good idea thrown away in lieu of sensationalism...but that's my opinion about Dean Devlin's work... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I never got into the toon either. I did not think it was a cinematic masterpiece, but I enjoyed it is the vein of Independence Day. It was a fun adrenaline rush where you checked logic at the door. Maybe it was a movie for non-fans of the toon Astromancer wrote: Because I never watched the cartoon, I don't have the references you guys have...To be honest, the kid made the movie for me...It was written to be campy, that much I got...So with that perspective, I enjoyed it...Maybe I have a weakness for spastic nerds... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: my problem with Transformers is the incredibly lame plot and acting. I loved the FX, but i all but gagged during some of the jokes, and found the plot boring. The whole thing with the Life Spark was crap: why not just bring in the Matrix of Leadership? Why did the Spark only create evil robots if it was the genesis of the Autobots as well? what kind of stupid strategy was it to let a puny human boy run off to save the day? Him dodging and avoiding battle 'droids--even supported by the Autobots--was stupid beyond belief. Incredible looking movie, juvenile writing... -- Original message -- From: Justin Mohareb On Nov 26, 2007 10:49 PM, streetforce1 wrote: So the G.I. Joe movie is starting to get buzz and cast members...but will it suck as hard at Transformers did? I hated the Transformers movie and not another of my favorite 80's cartoons is coming to live. Aug 2009 is the release date of the movie. The Army bits in Transformers made me think they'd originally planned it to be a GI Joe/Transformers crossover. The biggest problem I had with TF was that they killed the black robot first. In fact, I think he's the only Autobot that bought (bot?) it. JJ Mohareb -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letââ,¬â¢s just saying you know more than you think, but weââ,¬â¢re not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letâ?^(TM)s just saying you know more than you think, but weâ?^(TM)re not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Let's just saying you know more than you think, but we're not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this
RE: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
(Another Extremely Cash Deficient Individual applauds...) Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you are insufferably rich and don't miss the cash they syphon off you...(just my opinion) Signed Extremely Cash Deficient Individual Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Comcast. Bring it on! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:39 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun Comcrap was correct...(grumble) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: You can see the who one-hour uninterrupted if you have Comcrap- I mean comcast on demand. They have under the nicktoons category as one episode. I saw it yesterday KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: last night was the rerun, but only part one of the one-hour Black Sun. So check next week for part 2, which is the better half. . Avatar is running ten all new episodes. I think they may have done the first batch of ten, so keep watch and see if the show starts reruning next week -- Original message -- From: Martin truthseeker_ mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com D'OH! And I have no excuse, as the movie I'd been watching went off twenty minutes before it came on. And I bet I've missed any possible repeat now... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
True Martin wrote: And, unfortunately, when the live-action version fails, it tarnishes the product, making any other work based on it suspect ab initio.. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: US adult audiences overall, do not take animation seriously and it will not deliver blockbuster numbers if it is in animation form unless they classify it as a family film Martin wrote: Agree with you, Keith. Also have to ask the simple question. Why? What can he put into the franchise that animation can't? Okay, that was two. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I am completely unsure what to think about Night doing an Avatar movie. It's one of those things where just trying to do a live action version makes one nervous already. And I just don't see anything in Night's past body of work (much of which i love) that makes me think he'll capture the tone of Avatar faithfully. I just don't know, but as is typical for me, think i'd rather see a feature length animated version than a live action film... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com I forgot about the idiot king spilling all to Azula. I do love this show, but I never known when it is going to come on or how to get my husband into it, so I always end up seeing it on On-Demand, which is not bad, since there are no commercials, I agree that the show continues to evolve. I can't wait to see what these guys do next. If you ask me, it barely resembles the cute kids show it started out with. I can see why it continues to attract an increasing number of adults. Too bad this is the last season. What do you think about M. Night doing the live action version. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: some spoilers yeah, i posted about it last week, when this aired. Last night was a rerun. i loved it. Watching all the forces attack the Fire Nation, then lose when the tables were turned. You know, they keep finding new ways to show how the Bending arts work. Did you see the Water Benders use the water to flip the tanks over? How about the way Kitara uses water like a whip or sword? And Toth is the girl! She is the first Earth Bender ever to learn how to bend metal--something previously though impossible. This show was almost as good as the season ender from last season when Azula zapped Ang with lightning while he was in the Avatar state. Almost... if you saw last season, you know the Fire Nation was prepared for the attack because the Earth King, fooled into thinking Azula was on his side, told her of the solar eclipse and the plan to use it for the attack. Azula came into Ba-Sing-Se in disguise, pretending to be one of the lady fighters from season one (the same group from which Socka's love originated). As for the solar eclipse, Socka discovered the upcoming eclipse in an ancient underground library that held all the world's knowledge. he tricked the serpent-bird guardian into getting the info, then spent weeks preparing for the attack. Azula so intimidated the leader of the Earth King's secret police (which really runs Ba-Sing-Se, not the king) that the secret police switched allegiance to her. They turned on the man who lead them and switched to Azula. Thus, armed with the knowledge of the invasion, and many Earth Benders (who may be the most overall powerful of the Benders) Azula had the Fire Nation ready for the att ack. Loved this show! Did you see Azula evade Ang while she was de-powered? That girl is amazing. Evil, but amazing. Azula is one of the best fighters around. Period. She is possibly only equaled or surpassed by her Uncle Iro (when she tried to zap her brother, Iro was actually able to reroute the lightning), her father the Fire Lord, and possibly, her brother, who seems to be finding his courage and confidence. Speaking of, did you see when Zuko confronted the Fire Lord, and *he* deflected his dad's lightning? Awesome! Iro is probably my favorite character. He is tragic and noble and funny, and has grown. You learned there was something different about Iro when he told the Fire Lord general that complete elimination of any of hte Bending arts would be a catastrophe. You got a clue that he alone among the Fire Nation leaders understood the need for balance, and might have been changing his ideas about the conquest. Iro and Zuko have grown in so many ways it's amazing, especially Zuko. all that anger and frustration, the way he betrayed the Avatar at the end of season two. (if
Re: [scifinoir2] G.I. Joe - The Movie
Are you sure? I was looking forward to tossing my death curse on Skiffy... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No worries. It seems totally like a malfunction Martin wrote: I've angered the Yahu Gods. You must sacrifice me on the altar, to save the site... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Something is really up with yahoo. Now they are refusing my approvals of so-called spam messages and saying that scifinoir2 does not exist.. I went on the site today and there were 15 new messages. I had just checked a day ago when there were 28 spam messages that I approved. Ironically, none of the messages were real spam messages Astromancer wrote: Boy, is this old stuff! Astromancer wrote: Ahem...that was 'stripper with a heart'...granted, for a sci-fi fix it would work, but it just nags me how they wasted such a good story idea for the 'quick money' format...I felt the same way about Stargate...I was more entertained by the Bill McKay novels based on the movie... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I don't think it was a masterpiece, but for home video viewing, it was fun if your bored and need your scifi fix. That being said, I had a problem with the hooker with a heart cliche, a long with probably scores of other chiches (sorry sp.) You also had to check your logic at the door. But if you watch these flicks with other scifi buffs, laughing and joking around about the corny factor is fun. Maybe I wound not have enjoyed them if I had watched them alone. I don't know Astromancer wrote: Now about Independence Day...did not and still do not like it...just another good idea thrown away in lieu of sensationalism...but that's my opinion about Dean Devlin's work... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I never got into the toon either. I did not think it was a cinematic masterpiece, but I enjoyed it is the vein of Independence Day. It was a fun adrenaline rush where you checked logic at the door. Maybe it was a movie for non-fans of the toon Astromancer wrote: Because I never watched the cartoon, I don't have the references you guys have...To be honest, the kid made the movie for me...It was written to be campy, that much I got...So with that perspective, I enjoyed it...Maybe I have a weakness for spastic nerds... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my problem with Transformers is the incredibly lame plot and acting. I loved the FX, but i all but gagged during some of the jokes, and found the plot boring. The whole thing with the Life Spark was crap: why not just bring in the Matrix of Leadership? Why did the Spark only create evil robots if it was the genesis of the Autobots as well? what kind of stupid strategy was it to let a puny human boy run off to save the day? Him dodging and avoiding battle 'droids--even supported by the Autobots--was stupid beyond belief. Incredible looking movie, juvenile writing... -- Original message -- From: Justin Mohareb On Nov 26, 2007 10:49 PM, streetforce1 wrote: So the G.I. Joe movie is starting to get buzz and cast members...but will it suck as hard at Transformers did? I hated the Transformers movie and not another of my favorite 80's cartoons is coming to live. Aug 2009 is the release date of the movie. The Army bits in Transformers made me think they'd originally planned it to be a GI Joe/Transformers crossover. The biggest problem I had with TF was that they killed the black robot first. In fact, I think he's the only Autobot that bought (bot?) it. JJ Mohareb -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letââ,¬â¢s just saying you know more than you think, but weââ,¬â¢re not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letâ?^(TM)s just saying you know more than you think, but weâ?^(TM)re not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Let's just saying you know more than you think, but we're not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
It's the legs! It's the legs!!! Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll second that, and add on her smile. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think it's the eyes, they draw me in... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ⦠even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of
Re: [scifinoir2] Anyone up for Tinman
I'm there just because they toss out the occasional odd bit of news worth hearing. Milliways is from Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker series, the name of the Restaurant at the End of the Universe. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I joined for a while, expecting more people like you. But I got bored and my mail box was filling up ,so I unsubscribed. What keeps you on the list? What does milliways mean? Martin wrote: Mostly TV viewing, the odd movie. Science fiction comes up only occasionally. They're all pretty dry folks, because I'm actually an agitator there. (I know, shocks me too...) Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com wrote: Tell me about this Milliways group, Martin... Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com wrote: Oddly enough, somethign like that. Don't remember the exact title. Saw the report in my Milliways group posting a few weeks back. One of the main people from the original is going over to it, which, if you watch (my sympathies to you, if you stand in tha tnumber), is why they've been recruiting for a new team member online. (Again, speaking to the overall quality of the show.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: geez, that sucks! What will it be: Ghost Hunter Europe? -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Maybe they're inuring us to the idea of what may be to come, if the strike doesn't end soon. They've already greenlighted *another* GH show, based in Europe, for next season, and they've also announced a similar show, revolving around UFO research. Or is it out already? Thinking on it, I did see something like that Tuesday night. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: yeah, and i can't figure the point. it's not as if they ever come up with any proof of ghosts. frankly a good ghost movie would be better. And i'm sitting here really, really pissed that SciFi has chosen to show a freakin' Ghost Hunters marathon on Thanksgiving Day! Talk about boring! If it weren't for my Cowboys playing and my stuff on DVD i'd be really upset -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Not really, IMO. Looks like ama-toors trying to be pros. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i can't abide Ghost Hunters. How does it stay on the air? Is it any good at all? -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Can't even bring myself to watch *that*, Daryle. I'm watching Ghost Hunters because a dear friend of mine is watching it, and has asked me to do so as well. And we *all* know how I feel about reality TV... Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com wrote: After Flash Gordon, I put nothing past these guys. NOTHING. They haven't had a great miniseries since the first Dune. The only thing I'm watching/recording on the channel at ALL now is Virus Buster Serge on Monday nights. If there's no Galactica I really do not watch the station. On 11/20/07 6:04 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think a surprising number of Scifi 's Mini Series go against the grain of excelling at very, very bad. after all the good things I've read, I hope they do not screw it up like they did with that movie with the girl that plays Lana Lane and Danny Glovwr Daryle wrote: Put me down for the first night. I will watch. They have exactly 15 minutes to get me to put the remote down, though. I am allergic to all things OZ related. (grew up watching The Wiz every year about this time) but for Glitch? I'm in. SFC will find a way to take a great idea and make it horrible, though. I just know it. On 11/20/07 4:55 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: When I first heard about Tinman, I was not that interested. The more I see and read, the more intrigued I am. It only vaguely seems to resemble the holiday classic. I've read it is similar to Steven King's Dark Tower Series. Anyone planning on watching? Below is a brief descriptio The miniseries is a sometimes psychedelic, often twisted and always bizarre take on The Wizard of Oz. It centers on DG, a young woman plucked from her humdrum life and thrust into The Outer Zone (the O.Z.), a fantastical realm filled with wonder, but oppressed by dark magic. DG discovers her true identity, battles evil winged monkey-bats and attempts to fulfill her destiny. Her perilous journey begins on the fabled Old Road that leads to a wizard known as the Mystic Man.
Re: [scifinoir2] DVDs Watched Over Thanksgiving
I admit to crying at the ending. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: odd movie, made me kind of sad at the ending. Definitely has that late '60s/early '70s feel -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Works for me, too. Wish that someone would air Silent Running, for me. TCM had it on awhile back, but I missed it. Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kept it kinda old school and watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind still one of the best sci fi movies ever created. On Nov 26, 2007 3:56 PM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I recall seeing on a 1999 web site that an Eagle's max speed was just short of lightspeed. If so, then the issue of range is kind of moot. On another site, the show was referred to as a science fantasy, which would cover a lot of the glaring science goofs, such as the notion of nuclear waste exploding with enough force to hurl the Moon clear of Earth orbit. After seeing the pilot, I sat down and did the math necessary for that to happen. Not in the realm of a conventional clean-nuke blast, let me tell you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Love one of the early Space: 1999 eps where they're still in the Solar System. I think they're out near Neptune. There's an abandoned spaceship that has some kind of flesheating monster on it. The creature's like a giant squid or something, with one giant lighted eye in the center of its body. It pulls people in, thein a moment later, ejects a smoking corpse, as though the body'd been doused in acid. As a kid, i found that show to be scary. I suspect i might laugh at it nowadays. I do wonder why, if they were still in the Solar System, they didn't just abandon Moon Base Alpha in those funky spaceships and head back towards Earth? I guess their range was too limited and the Moon was moving too fast... -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED]yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com I watched the first 2 seasons of Sliders. This started off as a really fun and interesting show. It ended so terribly that it's easy to forget that. I am actually still on holiday this week, and so I will be watching the first 2 seasons of Space: 1999, and a bunch of anime I've been collecting for the past year and have not watched. On 11/26/07 3:58 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of us use the Thanksgiving holiday to chill out with some DVDs, We watched Mr. Brooks (loved it), Seraphim Falls with Pierce Brosnan and Liam Neeson, Spiderman III, and we got Ants for my little girl. What did you guys watch? Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] DVDs Watched Over Thanksgiving
It was simple and elegant. I quote it to any friends who aren't SF fans as the first SF to try. Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I loved that movie... Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works for me, too. Wish that someone would air Silent Running, for me. TCM had it on awhile back, but I missed it. Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kept it kinda old school and watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind still one of the best sci fi movies ever created. On Nov 26, 2007 3:56 PM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I recall seeing on a 1999 web site that an Eagle's max speed was just short of lightspeed. If so, then the issue of range is kind of moot. On another site, the show was referred to as a science fantasy, which would cover a lot of the glaring science goofs, such as the notion of nuclear waste exploding with enough force to hurl the Moon clear of Earth orbit. After seeing the pilot, I sat down and did the math necessary for that to happen. Not in the realm of a conventional clean-nuke blast, let me tell you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Love one of the early Space: 1999 eps where they're still in the Solar System. I think they're out near Neptune. There's an abandoned spaceship that has some kind of flesheating monster on it. The creature's like a giant squid or something, with one giant lighted eye in the center of its body. It pulls people in, thein a moment later, ejects a smoking corpse, as though the body'd been doused in acid. As a kid, i found that show to be scary. I suspect i might laugh at it nowadays. I do wonder why, if they were still in the Solar System, they didn't just abandon Moon Base Alpha in those funky spaceships and head back towards Earth? I guess their range was too limited and the Moon was moving too fast... -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED]yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com I watched the first 2 seasons of Sliders. This started off as a really fun and interesting show. It ended so terribly that it's easy to forget that. I am actually still on holiday this week, and so I will be watching the first 2 seasons of Space: 1999, and a bunch of anime I've been collecting for the past year and have not watched. On 11/26/07 3:58 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of us use the Thanksgiving holiday to chill out with some DVDs, We watched Mr. Brooks (loved it), Seraphim Falls with Pierce Brosnan and Liam Neeson, Spiderman III, and we got Ants for my little girl. What did you guys watch? Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
What you said. Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found out she's a natural blonde, Martin...Broke my heart too! She was one stunning brunette...but not as gorgeous as Tracey...(wink!) Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tracey, I didn't like her shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time or three, but I still don't like it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ⦠even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Rep risal
Pour it on guys, the ego is blowing up Martin wrote: What you said. Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com wrote: I found out she's a natural blonde, Martin...Broke my heart too! She was one stunning brunette...but not as gorgeous as Tracey...(wink!) Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com wrote: Tracey, I didn't like her shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time or three, but I still don't like it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role … even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
I agree, but they were not thinking about it shrewdly. Even if they decided to moved away from the source material, this was an inevitable time bomb. My daughter is two young for a lot of the kids literature that they are now turning to, but there has to be books out there that are not intended to be controversial. Martin wrote: The skeptic in me says that they were thinking $$... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them in. in the same way, they heard that Compass was based on anti-religious themes, which i feel kept many away -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials, writer/director Chris Weitz's film is set in an alternate world ruled by an oppressive religious authority. It features talking animals and a heroine played by youngster Dakota Blue Richards. Even though the film downplays the religious aspect, it has been savaged by such groups as the Catholic League and the U.S. Conference of Bishops. Opponents have cited Pullman's unflattering portrayal of the church and specifically the Catholic faith. Critics were also generally negative on the film, according to the web site Rotten Tomatoes (www.rottentomatoes.com), which collates reviews. The film represents another disappointment for Kidman, who had yet to headline a live-action $100 million movie. Her most recent successes were 2005's The Interpreter ($72 million) and 2003's Cold Mountain ($96 million). She and Craig co-starred in the summer release The Invasion, which flopped with just $15 million. Craig had better luck reviving the James Bond franchise last year with Casino Royale ($167 million). New Line has also struggled. Its biggest movie of 2007, Rush Hour 3 ($140 million), earned less
[scifinoir2] [Fwd: [AFAMHED] DNA pioneer James Watson is blacker than he thought]
Original Message Subject:[AFAMHED] DNA pioneer James Watson is blacker than he thought Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:12:52 -0500 From: Ray Winbush [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ray Winbush [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3022190.ece ttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3022190.ece%22 From The Sunday Times December 9, 2007 DNA pioneer James Watson is blacker than he thought The genome of James Watson Jonathan Leake, Science Editor JAMES WATSON, the DNA pioneer who claimed Africans are less intelligent than whites, has been found to have 16 times more genes of black origin than the average white European. An analysis of his genome shows that 16% of his genes are likely to have come from a black ancestor of African descent. By contrast, most people of European descent would have no more than 1%. The study was made possible when he allowed his genome - the map of all his genes - to be published on the internet in the interests of science. This level is what you would expect in someone who had a great-grandparent who was African, said Kari Stefansson of deCODE Genetics, whose company carried out the analysis. It was very surprising to get this result for Jim. Watson won the Nobel prize, with Francis Crick and Maurice Wilkins, after working out the structure of DNA in 1953. However, he provoked an outcry earlier this year when he suggested black people were genetically less intelligent than whites. This weekend his critics savoured the wry twist of fate. Sir John Sulston, the Nobel laureate who helped lead the consortium that decoded the human genome, said the discovery was ironic in view of Watsons opinions on race. I never did agree with Watsons remarks, he said. We do not understand enough about intelligence to generalise about race. The backlash against Watson forced him to step down as chancellor of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, New York state, after 39 years at the helm. He had said he was inherently gloomy about the prospects for Africa because all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really. The analysis by deCODE Genetics, an Icelandic company, also shows a further 9% of Watsons genes are likely to have come from an ancestor of Asian descent. Watson was not available for comment. *James Watson: genetic risk to diseases compared with other people of European ancestry* - Age-related macular degeneration (blindness) - 20% less than average - Asthma - 31% less than average - Breast cancer - 1.45 times greater than average - Coeliac disease - 66% less than average - Colon (bowel) cancer - 16% greater than average - Glaucoma - 1.42 rimes greater than average - Inflammatory bowel disease - 31% less than average - Multiple sclerosis - 29% greater than average - Heart attack - 33% less than average - Obesity - 5% greater than average - Prostate cancer - 1.02 times greater than average - Psoriasis - 31% less than average - Restless leg - 29% less than average - Rheumatoid arthritis - 20% greater than average - Type 1 diabetes - 65% less than average - Type 2 diabetes - 33% greater than average Results are calculated by comparing one person's genetic sequence to the sequences of other participants in studies published in world literature on genetic risk for disease [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Rep risal
Flattery will get you everywhere Astromancer wrote: I found out she's a natural blonde, Martin...Broke my heart too! She was one stunning brunette...but not as gorgeous as Tracey...(wink!) Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com wrote: Tracey, I didn't like her shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time or three, but I still don't like it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role … even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake
Re: [scifinoir2] Tin Man Part 2
And then there was part 3. It could have been, if not great, then pleasingly entertaining. The first half of the third part was for the most part, on par with the first two parts. The direction and writing were awkward at times and some of the plot points were a little on the silly side but still a really fun and imaginitive feeling piece of television and then the ending came and it was a festival of suck. It was almost as if they hired a new set of worse writers to put together the last 30 minutes and those writers decided that every charming and interesting part of the story should be culled while while every bit of plodding awkwardness should be expanded upon. I won't throw out any spoilers but prepare to yearn for a nap. Bosco --- Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I JUST finished watching Part 2 and thought the exact same thing. This is perhaps the most imaginative thing SFC has ever done. Too bad SFC chose the script and director. On 12/8/07 1:57 PM, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I watched part 2 of Tin Man. I found it to be in some ways better than part one. The same problems plagued both parts but the story keeps getting better and better. Part Indiana Jones Adventure and Part Nancy Drew Mystery all wrapped up in a really nice looking and well imagined Oz. I have to say that I am finding the whole thing very inventive and charming. Sci-fi should really look into investing in better writing and directing. Those are my only real complaints. B I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
RE: [scifinoir2] G.I. Joe - The Movie
MAR-tin. MARtin. HACK! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:14 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] G.I. Joe - The Movie I've angered the Yahu Gods. You must sacrifice me on the altar, to save the site... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: Something is really up with yahoo. Now they are refusing my approvals of so-called spam messages and saying that scifinoir2 does not exist.. I went on the site today and there were 15 new messages. I had just checked a day ago when there were 28 spam messages that I approved. Ironically, none of the messages were real spam messages Astromancer wrote: Boy, is this old stuff! Astromancer wrote: Ahem...that was 'stripper with a heart'...granted, for a sci-fi fix it would work, but it just nags me how they wasted such a good story idea for the 'quick money' format...I felt the same way about Stargate...I was more entertained by the Bill McKay novels based on the movie... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I don't think it was a masterpiece, but for home video viewing, it was fun if your bored and need your scifi fix. That being said, I had a problem with the hooker with a heart cliche, a long with probably scores of other chiches (sorry sp.) You also had to check your logic at the door. But if you watch these flicks with other scifi buffs, laughing and joking around about the corny factor is fun. Maybe I wound not have enjoyed them if I had watched them alone. I don't know Astromancer wrote: Now about Independence Day...did not and still do not like it...just another good idea thrown away in lieu of sensationalism...but that's my opinion about Dean Devlin's work... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I never got into the toon either. I did not think it was a cinematic masterpiece, but I enjoyed it is the vein of Independence Day. It was a fun adrenaline rush where you checked logic at the door. Maybe it was a movie for non-fans of the toon Astromancer wrote: Because I never watched the cartoon, I don't have the references you guys have...To be honest, the kid made the movie for me...It was written to be campy, that much I got...So with that perspective, I enjoyed it...Maybe I have a weakness for spastic nerds... KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: my problem with Transformers is the incredibly lame plot and acting. I loved the FX, but i all but gagged during some of the jokes, and found the plot boring. The whole thing with the Life Spark was crap: why not just bring in the Matrix of Leadership? Why did the Spark only create evil robots if it was the genesis of the Autobots as well? what kind of stupid strategy was it to let a puny human boy run off to save the day? Him dodging and avoiding battle 'droids--even supported by the Autobots--was stupid beyond belief. Incredible looking movie, juvenile writing... -- Original message -- From: Justin Mohareb On Nov 26, 2007 10:49 PM, streetforce1 wrote: So the G.I. Joe movie is starting to get buzz and cast members...but will it suck as hard at Transformers did? I hated the Transformers movie and not another of my favorite 80's cartoons is coming to live. Aug 2009 is the release date of the movie. The Army bits in Transformers made me think they'd originally planned it to be a GI Joe/Transformers crossover. The biggest problem I had with TF was that they killed the black robot first. In fact, I think he's the only Autobot that bought (bot?) it. JJ Mohareb -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com .livejournal.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letââ,¬â¢s just saying you know more than you think, but weââ,¬â¢re not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Letâ¤^(TM)s just saying you know more than you think, but weâ¤^(TM)re not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Movie Reviews: 'The Golden Compass' (spoiler)
What park of the country? Part! Pardon my spelling... Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Street, may I ask what park of the country you're from? That name sounds a bit familiar...don't worry, I quit bound hunting years ago... Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the bear character was the only character in the movie that was fully developed. The audience I saw it with had a strong cheering reaction for the bear and his sub-plot then they did for the overall movie. The movie did feel extremely rushed and could have tacked on another hour to finish up the complete book and not chop it off 2/3's of the way into the story. The audience boo's where very strong when the movie ended the way it did. Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
We're working on it... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pour it on guys, the ego is blowing up Martin wrote: What you said. Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com wrote: I found out she's a natural blonde, Martin...Broke my heart too! She was one stunning brunette...but not as gorgeous as Tracey...(wink!) Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com wrote: Tracey, I didn't like her shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time or three, but I still don't like it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ââ¬Â¦ even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
Um...Please don't say that...I'm a little more depraved than you think... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flattery will get you everywhere Astromancer wrote: I found out she's a natural blonde, Martin...Broke my heart too! She was one stunning brunette...but not as gorgeous as Tracey...(wink!) Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com wrote: Tracey, I didn't like her shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time or three, but I still don't like it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ââ¬Â¦ even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com http://greasyguide.com Your
RE: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
Knave! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:16 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun (Another Extremely Cash Deficient Individual applauds...) Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com com wrote: Then you are insufferably rich and don't miss the cash they syphon off you...(just my opinion) Signed Extremely Cash Deficient Individual Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com yahoo.com wrote: I love Comcast. Bring it on! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com mesavers.com http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ mesavers.com/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun Comcrap was correct...(grumble) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: You can see the who one-hour uninterrupted if you have Comcrap- I mean comcast on demand. They have under the nicktoons category as one episode. I saw it yesterday KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: last night was the rerun, but only part one of the one-hour Black Sun. So check next week for part 2, which is the better half. . Avatar is running ten all new episodes. I think they may have done the first batch of ten, so keep watch and see if the show starts reruning next week -- Original message -- From: Martin truthseeker_ mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:013%40yahoo.com mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com D'OH! And I have no excuse, as the movie I'd been watching went off twenty minutes before it came on. And I bet I've missed any possible repeat now... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
Actually, since I have internet, phone, and cable through them, my Comcast bill is lower than just my phone bill was with ATT/SBC. That's why I kept them after the $99.00 special was over. Knave! :o) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:12 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun Then you are insufferably rich and don't miss the cash they syphon off you...(just my opinion) Signed Extremely Cash Deficient Individual Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com yahoo.com wrote: I love Comcast. Bring it on! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com mesavers.com http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ mesavers.com/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun Comcrap was correct...(grumble) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: You can see the who one-hour uninterrupted if you have Comcrap- I mean comcast on demand. They have under the nicktoons category as one episode. I saw it yesterday KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: last night was the rerun, but only part one of the one-hour Black Sun. So check next week for part 2, which is the better half. . Avatar is running ten all new episodes. I think they may have done the first batch of ten, so keep watch and see if the show starts reruning next week -- Original message -- From: Martin truthseeker_ mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:013%40yahoo.com mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com D'OH! And I have no excuse, as the movie I'd been watching went off twenty minutes before it came on. And I bet I've missed any possible repeat now... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Keith and any others who watch Avatar. Did you see the two part episode where that attack the fire nation? I thought it was fantastic, but it left me very sad. I can't believe this little Nicktoon has had such an impact on me. I was a little disappointed about what Azula knew. What did you think about it? If you post spoilers, post a warning at the top. Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Gellar Afraid of ‘Buffy’ Reprisal
agreed, but i think Lawless is naturally blonde or brown haired. I believe I read somewhere that she had to get her hair dyed to play Xena -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tracey, I didn't like her shift to blonde hair. I never do, and don't see the appeal in it. I know all about the Blonde Mystique, and have been snared by it a time or three, but I still don't like it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not see her attractiveness until she did Gallactica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She could pull it off. I never could figure out why Lucy Lawless as Xena just turned me the hell on! I mean, she's pretty, but not on the level of Catherine Zeta Jones or Kristen Kreuk, but i couldn't tear my eyes away from her. Even as a blonde, something about Lawless gets me. Wish I knew why... Oh--back to the topic! Xena wouldn't be Xena without the actor who played Aries, and of course he tragically died a couple of years ago... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would be tough to resurrect Xena, though. It's possible, but she did p*ss off a *lot* of gods and goddesses during her run. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can see that. i'm still wondering if her age would be an issue. i could see a return to Xena, though, as a TV movie -- Original message -- From: Mike Street I have to agree with her on her comments. Buffy was SO LOVED that to bring it back and then have it be wack would hurt so many of the fans. This is probably the same reason we haven't seen a Xena movie. Sometimes we should let sleeping dogs rest. Buffy was great on so many level I was a fan and i personally don't want to see a movie version of it. On Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM, wrote: part of Buffy's appeal was her youth, her innocence, her very physical being: the small and waifish girl who seemed so out of place in a world of monsters. It's Whedon's stock-in-trade, teh young vulnerable girl fighting overwhelming odds. Do you think that Gellar is starting to look a little old for that Buffy? I'm not saying she's old mind you, just wonder if she'd still be right for that particular role in a year or two. Will Buffy be married? Have kids? Will she have a regular 9-5 job? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gellar Afraid of 'Buffy' Reprisal http://www.rabiddoll.com/index.php?p=82 By Julie Pyle Fans might still be demanding a return from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. Especially now that Sarah Michelle Gellar, who played Buffy Summers for seven years, isn't sure she even wants to return to the role ⦠even if it hits the big screen. I have to be honest. That thought really scares me,Gellar said in an interview to Moviehole. Buffy was a movie and it didn't work because her story was longer than that. This was about a girl that you had to get to know and it took so long to figure out how to crack the ending so that people weren't upset. Of course I never say never, so I'm not saying no, but my fear would be to open something like that up again, to only end it again. Even though the series has been off the air for over four years, fan outcry still demands a continuation of the BuffyVerse. And while a feature film on the big screen may still be just a pipe dream, the world may be closer to direct-to-DVD movies featuring secondary characters. Rumors have been swirling about creator Joss Whedon directing a Spike movie and executive producer Marti Noxon says past show scriptwriters have been contacted regarding a series of new movies centering around characters other than Buffy herself. I feel like a show you love ends, you have like a mourning period, so do you open yourself up to that again, to wanting it but knowing it's going to end, she continued. That whole thing worries me a little bit. So far, no specific characters have been named for the DVD movies and none of this has been confirmed by Twentieth Century Fox so should be treated as any other rumor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
yeah, and toning down the movie isn't going to help once people understand--or think they do--what's in the books... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them in. in the same way, they heard that Compass was based on anti-religious themes, which i feel kept many away -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials, writer/director Chris Weitz's film is set in an alternate world ruled by an oppressive religious authority. It features talking animals and a heroine played by youngster Dakota Blue Richards. Even though the film downplays the religious aspect, it has been savaged by such groups as the Catholic League and the U.S. Conference of Bishops. Opponents have cited Pullman's unflattering portrayal of the church and specifically the Catholic faith. Critics were also generally negative on the film, according to the web site Rotten Tomatoes (www.rottentomatoes.com), which collates reviews. The film represents another disappointment for Kidman, who had yet to headline a live-action $100 million movie. Her most recent successes were 2005's The Interpreter ($72 million) and 2003's Cold Mountain ($96 million). She and Craig co-starred in the summer release The Invasion, which flopped with just $15 million. Craig had better luck reviving the James Bond franchise last year with Casino Royale ($167 million). New Line has also struggled. Its biggest movie of 2007, Rush Hour 3 ($140 million), earned less than half of its predecessor. Other films, such as Jim Carrey's The Number 23 and the wartime drama Rendition quickly came and went. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Avatar: Black Sun
...unless it's cutesy CGI, which, unfortunately, is doing well in America -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] US adult audiences overall, do not take animation seriously and it will not deliver blockbuster numbers if it is in animation form unless they classify it as a family film Martin wrote: Agree with you, Keith. Also have to ask the simple question. Why? What can he put into the franchise that animation can't? Okay, that was two. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: I am completely unsure what to think about Night doing an Avatar movie. It's one of those things where just trying to do a live action version makes one nervous already. And I just don't see anything in Night's past body of work (much of which i love) that makes me think he'll capture the tone of Avatar faithfully. I just don't know, but as is typical for me, think i'd rather see a feature length animated version than a live action film... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com I forgot about the idiot king spilling all to Azula. I do love this show, but I never known when it is going to come on or how to get my husband into it, so I always end up seeing it on On-Demand, which is not bad, since there are no commercials, I agree that the show continues to evolve. I can't wait to see what these guys do next. If you ask me, it barely resembles the cute kids show it started out with. I can see why it continues to attract an increasing number of adults. Too bad this is the last season. What do you think about M. Night doing the live action version. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: some spoilers yeah, i posted about it last week, when this aired. Last night was a rerun. i loved it. Watching all the forces attack the Fire Nation, then lose when the tables were turned. You know, they keep finding new ways to show how the Bending arts work. Did you see the Water Benders use the water to flip the tanks over? How about the way Kitara uses water like a whip or sword? And Toth is the girl! She is the first Earth Bender ever to learn how to bend metal--something previously though impossible. This show was almost as good as the season ender from last season when Azula zapped Ang with lightning while he was in the Avatar state. Almost... if you saw last season, you know the Fire Nation was prepared for the attack because the Earth King, fooled into thinking Azula was on his side, told her of the solar eclipse and the plan to use it for the attack. Azula came into Ba-Sing-Se in disguise, pretending to be one of the lady fighters from season one (the same group from which Socka's love originated). As for the solar eclipse, Socka discovered the upcoming eclipse in an ancient underground library that held all the world's knowledge. he tricked the serpent-bird guardian into getting the info, then spent weeks preparing for the attack. Azula so intimidated the leader of the Earth King's secret police (which really runs Ba-Sing-Se, not the king) that the secret police switched allegiance to her. They turned on the man who lead them and switched to Azula. Thus, armed with the knowledge of the invasion, and many Earth Benders (who may be the most overall powerful of the Benders) Azula had the Fire Nation ready for the att ack. Loved this show! Did you see Azula evade Ang while she was de-powered? That girl is amazing. Evil, but amazing. Azula is one of the best fighters around. Period. She is possibly only equaled or surpassed by her Uncle Iro (when she tried to zap her brother, Iro was actually able to reroute the lightning), her father the Fire Lord, and possibly, her brother, who seems to be finding his courage and confidence. Speaking of, did you see when Zuko confronted the Fire Lord, and *he* deflected his dad's lightning? Awesome! Iro is probably my favorite character. He is tragic and noble and funny, and has grown. You learned there was something different about Iro when he told the Fire Lord general that complete elimination of any of hte Bending arts would be a catastrophe. You got a clue that he alone among the Fire Nation leaders understood the need for balance, and might have been changing his ideas about the conquest. Iro and Zuko have grown in so many ways it's amazing, especially Zuko. all that anger and frustration, the way he betrayed the Avatar at the end of season two. (if you haven't seen the last two or three eps of last season, you *must* do so!) I'm thinking in the end, Zuko will have to confront Azula; and I wonder if Iro might not be the one to take on his younger brother the Fire Lord instead of Ang (the Fire Lord usurped the throne
Re: [scifinoir2] Neuromancer
yeah...(feeling old and despairing at the same time) that is so incredibly sad to me -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith, maybe it's what the youngsters today like. Short-attention spans seem to be de rigeur. he makes some good points, but i've seen enough modern music video directors' work to stand by my apprehension. that he uses Michael Bay as an example really worries me: i hate Bay's directing style. If i didn't already know he directed music videos, i'd have guess. What I see from a lot of such directors is a lack of understanding of telling a story slowly, a penchant for too many quick cuts and over active closeup shots that force the action down my thorad, instead of slow pans and long shots that fill the screen. Look at some of the old classics like Lawrence of Arabia or The Bridge on the River Kwai, and note the long pans and camera angles. Then contrast those to some of the stuff music video directors make. Of course, much of my feeling stems form the fact that i hate most modern music vidoes: I just don't get why you have to have about a dozen camera cuts in a dozen seconds, why the picture changes angles constantly, why the color hyperactively moves from black and wh ite to full color. That being said, I haven't seen any of this gentleman's work, movies or music videos -- Original message -- From: Daryle I met Garrett Wang at LAX Airport yesterday morning. It was a very cool conversation. If you¹re ever at a Trek con and see him there, by all means strike up a conversation with him. He asked if I knew about the project. Apparently he¹s being considered for one of the roles. As of yesterday, he hadn¹t read the book So I described it for him. So if he ends up in the movie I¹ll be pretty excited. I am all for this project being made, and Khan¹s Britney Spears work is completely irrelevant. He directed music videos, he didn¹t write the songs. Steven Spielberg directed ³1941² and ³A.I². If any of us had done those pictures, we¹d never work in Hollywood again. It¹s time for directors to branch out and do challenging work. That¹s enough of Brett Ratner doing everything. There is apparently a lot of backlash about Khan getting the project, which is rally interesting to me. Music video work is better than film school sometimes. His commercial work is really good! I don¹t know if any director would ever be ³good enough² to take this project on, and apparently Khan agrees. The following is from Joseph Khan¹s MySpace blog: ³Variety blew my cover over the weekend. This is the screenplay I've been working on for the last two years. As to the backlash. There's going to be a backlash. You have to be nuts or stupid to take on a monster like this. I knew what I was getting myself into. Stanley Kubrick could take this on and he'd have a 14 year old in Iowa blogging on how wack the cgi effects were in 2001, and then on the other hand a 45 year old child molestor completely insistant nothing will ever look as good as the visuals in his own head. And they'd both hate Torque. I could see how the combination of the Britney Spears director with William Gibson is a controversial choice. But the problem is, the summation of my career is not Britney Spears. I've done plenty of cred videos: Moby, Chemical Brothers, Korn, U2, Muse to name a few. The headlines sound attractively pessimistic to slap the successful pop example of my work to a supposedly nihilistic work like Neuromancer. It really just demonstrates how little most people know of the music video world and how it pertains to filmmaking. For instance, before David Fincher became the dark auteur that fanboys salivate over, he made his name doingPaula Abdul videos. And hard core Michael Bay with his rumbling guns and explosions madeMeatloaf videos, as well asThe Divinyls I Touch Myself. Those of you in the music video business know the score and understand why this is. I guess this is turning into a defense of myself, so I will defend myself. The other complaint lodged at me is that my movie Torque basically sucked. It's either a sell out piece of commercial crap, or an incompetant long form music video, or both, and it's a sure sign I'm clueless as a filmmaker. And to all of this, I'll say: they're wrong. Making your first movie under the Hollywood studio system is hard. It's the hardest thing I've ever done. I'm telling you honestly with no exaggeration: you have no clue what it's like to be put through that studio grinder and retain any sort of authorship. The politics, the pressure, the scapegoating, the interference, the pure physicality of an intense 70 day shoot, the budget hysterics, the permeating sense of fear and negativity from everyone. Torque is not 100% of what I wanted, but I'm proud of what it is, because at the end of the day, after going through this studio machine that blends movies together into mediocrity, it split
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
The Christians protest Harry Potter and it doesn't effect it's box office numbers. I just think that the movie didn't have the magical push of selling a billion books that Harry Potter has. It's all about branding and His Dark Materials doesn't have much of a brand behind it in order to translate it into movie ticket sells. The movie industry is suffering and so is the entertainment industry acorss the board. They need to stop making every book, 80's cartoon, and comic into a movie and find some original scripts. I can't remember the last movie that I've seen that wasn't a book, comic, video game, or TV show. On Dec 9, 2007 11:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, and toning down the movie isn't going to help once people understand--or think they do--what's in the books... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them in. in the same way, they heard that Compass was based on anti-religious themes, which i feel kept many away -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials, writer/director Chris Weitz's film is set in an alternate world ruled by an oppressive religious authority. It features talking animals and a heroine played by youngster Dakota Blue Richards. Even though the film downplays the religious aspect, it has been savaged by such groups as the Catholic League and the U.S. Conference of Bishops. Opponents have cited Pullman's unflattering portrayal of the church and specifically the Catholic faith. Critics were also generally negative on the film, according to the web site Rotten Tomatoes (www.rottentomatoes.com), which collates reviews. The film represents another disappointment for Kidman, who had yet to headline a live-action $100 million movie. Her most recent successes were 2005's The Interpreter ($72 million) and 2003's Cold Mountain ($96 million). She and Craig co-starred in the summer release The Invasion,
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
well, i tend to think that Harry Potter generates less overt hostility than this supposed anti-religious Golden Compass does. I know lots of conservative Christians who are disturbed by the witchcraft aspects of Potter, but nonetheless let their kids read the books and watch the movies. In that case, they just write it off as fantasy and let it go. But again, when they hear that this stuff is supposedly overtly anti-religious, that's a different slant altogether, and i think that's making a difference. I agree part of it is that no one's heard of Golden Compass, but given the time of year, the FX, the aim at kids and families, it really should have done much better. Not Potter numbers, but better than this. It's the atheist thing scaring away families in large part -- Original message -- From: Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Christians protest Harry Potter and it doesn't effect it's box office numbers. I just think that the movie didn't have the magical push of selling a billion books that Harry Potter has. It's all about branding and His Dark Materials doesn't have much of a brand behind it in order to translate it into movie ticket sells. The movie industry is suffering and so is the entertainment industry acorss the board. They need to stop making every book, 80's cartoon, and comic into a movie and find some original scripts. I can't remember the last movie that I've seen that wasn't a book, comic, video game, or TV show. On Dec 9, 2007 11:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, and toning down the movie isn't going to help once people understand--or think they do--what's in the books... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them in. in the same way, they heard that Compass was based on anti-religious themes, which i feel kept many away -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials, writer/director Chris Weitz's film is set in an alternate world ruled by an oppressive religious authority. It features talking
Re: [scifinoir2] DVDs Watched Over Thanksgiving
ditto, i teared up at that end of that movie too. Speaking of crying, yesterday and today my wife and I watched the miniseries Lonesome Dove for the first time on some cable channel named ION. Man, that was one gut-wrenching, poignant ride! So many people dying, women being raped or nearly so, marauding Indians, broken dreams, life cheap out in the wilds. A fine piece of film making, i must say, definitely one of the last great miniseries. Outstanding performances from Tommy Lee Jones, Robert Duvall, Danny Glover, Dianne Lane, D.B. Sweeney, Robert Urich, Angelica Houston, Chris Cooper, Rick Schroeder, and a host of others. Sweeping in scope, amazing vistas and cinematography (note to music-video-directors-turned-film-makers: this is how to shoot a film!) The thing drew me in, and by the end i was very sad. My wife kept saying my gosh: what else can happen in this series? Who else is going to die or end up sad and broken? Powerful, stuff. Remember way back in the day, when everyone used to stay home and watch the great miniseries? From Roots (which started it all) to Rich Man, Poor Man, from Masada to North and South? Even the ones that weren't that good, that were over the top, got audiences. Back before VCRs, DVDs, and cable, this was one whole families still grouped around the television to share the event. Fun times, those... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I admit to crying at the ending. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: odd movie, made me kind of sad at the ending. Definitely has that late '60s/early '70s feel -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Works for me, too. Wish that someone would air Silent Running, for me. TCM had it on awhile back, but I missed it. Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kept it kinda old school and watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind still one of the best sci fi movies ever created. On Nov 26, 2007 3:56 PM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I recall seeing on a 1999 web site that an Eagle's max speed was just short of lightspeed. If so, then the issue of range is kind of moot. On another site, the show was referred to as a science fantasy, which would cover a lot of the glaring science goofs, such as the notion of nuclear waste exploding with enough force to hurl the Moon clear of Earth orbit. After seeing the pilot, I sat down and did the math necessary for that to happen. Not in the realm of a conventional clean-nuke blast, let me tell you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Love one of the early Space: 1999 eps where they're still in the Solar System. I think they're out near Neptune. There's an abandoned spaceship that has some kind of flesheating monster on it. The creature's like a giant squid or something, with one giant lighted eye in the center of its body. It pulls people in, thein a moment later, ejects a smoking corpse, as though the body'd been doused in acid. As a kid, i found that show to be scary. I suspect i might laugh at it nowadays. I do wonder why, if they were still in the Solar System, they didn't just abandon Moon Base Alpha in those funky spaceships and head back towards Earth? I guess their range was too limited and the Moon was moving too fast... -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED]yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com I watched the first 2 seasons of Sliders. This started off as a really fun and interesting show. It ended so terribly that it's easy to forget that. I am actually still on holiday this week, and so I will be watching the first 2 seasons of Space: 1999, and a bunch of anime I've been collecting for the past year and have not watched. On 11/26/07 3:58 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of us use the Thanksgiving holiday to chill out with some DVDs, We watched Mr. Brooks (loved it), Seraphim Falls with Pierce Brosnan and Liam Neeson, Spiderman III, and we got Ants for my little girl. What did you guys watch? Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A
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I saw Lonesome Dove when it originally aired on network TV. I loved it so much I bought it on VHS many years ago and yet still haven't watched the tapes. Too sad. Funny thing that... ___ Sent with SnapperMail www.snappermail.com .. Original Message ... On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:11:20 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ditto, i teared up at that end of that movie too. Speaking of crying, yesterday and today my wife and I watched the miniseries Lonesome Dove for the first time on some cable channel named ION. Man, that was one gut-wrenching, poignant ride! So many people dying, women being raped or nearly so, marauding Indians, broken dreams, life cheap out in the wilds. A fine piece of film making, i must say, definitely one of the last great miniseries. Outstanding performances from Tommy Lee Jones, Robert Duvall, Danny Glover, Dianne Lane, D.B. Sweeney, Robert Urich, Angelica Houston, Chris Cooper, Rick Schroeder, and a host of others. Sweeping in scope, amazing vistas and cinematography (note to music-video-directors-turned-film-makers: this is how to shoot a film!) The thing drew me in, and by the end i was very sad. My wife kept saying my gosh: what else can happen in this series? Who else is going to die or end up sad and broken? Powerful, stuff. Remember way back in the day, when everyone used to stay home and watch the great miniseries? From Roots (which started it all) to Rich Man, Poor Man, from Masada to North and South? Even the ones that weren't that good, that were over the top, got audiences. Back before VCRs, DVDs, and cable, this was one whole families still grouped around the television to share the event. Fun times, those... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I admit to crying at the ending. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: odd movie, made me kind of sad at the ending. Definitely has that late '60s/early '70s feel -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Works for me, too. Wish that someone would air Silent Running, for me. TCM had it on awhile back, but I missed it. Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kept it kinda old school and watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind still one of the best sci fi movies ever created. On Nov 26, 2007 3:56 PM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I recall seeing on a 1999 web site that an Eagle's max speed was just short of lightspeed. If so, then the issue of range is kind of moot. On another site, the show was referred to as a science fantasy, which would cover a lot of the glaring science goofs, such as the notion of nuclear waste exploding with enough force to hurl the Moon clear of Earth orbit. After seeing the pilot, I sat down and did the math necessary for that to happen. Not in the realm of a conventional clean-nuke blast, let me tell you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Love one of the early Space: 1999 eps where they're still in the Solar System. I think they're out near Neptune. There's an abandoned spaceship that has some kind of flesheating monster on it. The creature's like a giant squid or something, with
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
The difference, I think is that none of the Harry Potter books had anything to do with religion , nor did their premise specifically have to do with being against the concept of God or religious institutions. If you really diud not think the magic in those stories were against god and religion then you were not likely to heed the boycotts. In addition, as you said, it did not have the magical push of selling a billion books as Harry Potter did. It was truly an epidemic. That being said, I agree that it would be nice if they backed a movie with an original story. Mike Street wrote: The Christians protest Harry Potter and it doesn't effect it's box office numbers. I just think that the movie didn't have the magical push of selling a billion books that Harry Potter has. It's all about branding and His Dark Materials doesn't have much of a brand behind it in order to translate it into movie ticket sells. The movie industry is suffering and so is the entertainment industry acorss the board. They need to stop making every book, 80's cartoon, and comic into a movie and find some original scripts. I can't remember the last movie that I've seen that wasn't a book, comic, video game, or TV show. On Dec 9, 2007 11:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: yeah, and toning down the movie isn't going to help once people understand--or think they do--what's in the books... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them in. in the same way, they heard that Compass was based on anti-religious themes, which i feel kept many away -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com Golden Compass disappoints at box office Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:27am EST http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN0835936220071209 By Dean Goodman LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The Golden Compass, a costly fantasy starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, got off to a slow start at the North American box office and will likely fall short of opening-weekend expectations. New Line Cinema's $180 million film sold an estimated $8.8 million worth of tickets during its first day in theaters on Friday, according to data issued on Saturday by tracking firm Box Office Mojo (www.boxofficemojo.com). After Saturday and Sunday sales are factored in, the film will come in at No. 1 with about $28 million when the studios issue their weekend estimates on Sunday, said Paul Dergarabedian at Media By Numbers, another tracking firm. New Line, a struggling Time Warner Inc unit hoping to launch another franchise along the lines of its blockbuster Lord of the Rings series, said last week it was hoping the film would open to between $30 million and $40 million. It's below expectations, but it's not an out-and-out debacle, said Dergarabedian. Conspiring against the movie, he said, were such factors as a soft marketplace and unrealistic expectations for an epic fantasy filling the holiday void left by the Narnia and Lord of the Rings smashes. A New Line executive did not return a call seeking comment. Based on the first book in British author Philip Pullman's acclaimed children's series His Dark Materials,
Re: [scifinoir2] Golden Compass disappoints at box office
I still return to the fact that the premise and purpose of the Golden Compass series of books, by the author's own words was to promote atheism and attack religious institutions. The other is a series of books that as you say have religious symbolism, but the author never claimed that the purpose of the book was to attack religion, nor has anyone as I know, ever made a case for the Potters books being anything more than fantasy. Big difference is the mind of parents who embrace Christianity. Also, many adults have read the Potter books, so when the boycotters come out of the woodworks its not that difficult to ask someone you know whether you should take them seriously. Finally, you have legions of kids who have read the books, many of them Christians who have not turned away from Christianity in the 10+ years the Potter books have been must reads. Again, I return to the fact that the Golden Compass author has promoted his membership in an atheist organization and came out to promote his book as promoting atheism and being critical of religious institutions. those two acts alone are public relations nightmares.While there are some similarities, between the two series of books, I think you are comparing apples and oranges. Mike Street wrote: I have to disagree there cause there is a ton of religious symbolism in Harry Potter. I just think it comes down to branding. if the books had a bigger following the movie would have done better religious or otherwise. Something are best left on print. But I enjoyed the movie. I'm just tired of never seeing any Black people in any of these films. Harry Potter tries to be a little bit more diverse. But I long for the day to see a lil black or latino kid find a magic something and go on a magical adventure. On Dec 10, 2007 12:31 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The difference, I think is that none of the Harry Potter books had anything to do with religion , nor did their premise specifically have to do with being against the concept of God or religious institutions. If you really diud not think the magic in those stories were against god and religion then you were not likely to heed the boycotts. In addition, as you said, it did not have the magical push of selling a billion books as Harry Potter did. It was truly an epidemic. That being said, I agree that it would be nice if they backed a movie with an original story. Mike Street wrote: The Christians protest Harry Potter and it doesn't effect it's box office numbers. I just think that the movie didn't have the magical push of selling a billion books that Harry Potter has. It's all about branding and His Dark Materials doesn't have much of a brand behind it in order to translate it into movie ticket sells. The movie industry is suffering and so is the entertainment industry acorss the board. They need to stop making every book, 80's cartoon, and comic into a movie and find some original scripts. I can't remember the last movie that I've seen that wasn't a book, comic, video game, or TV show. On Dec 9, 2007 11:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: yeah, and toning down the movie isn't going to help once people understand--or think they do--what's in the books... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com While I personally do not have a problem with the anti-religious slant, you got to wonder when the people who decide to make it thought that it would be a Lord of The Rings or Narnia. It seems as if they did not take into consideration the ramifications of the religious issue until they had already committed to the project. knowing how American audiences and opinion groups are, you got to wonder what they were thinking [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: i know of at least one person who is refusing to see the film based on the perceived anti-religious bias. i think that can't be discounted. i bet that can translate into at least 5 - 10 million in loss if Christian conservatives dediced to stay away. The FX on the trailers look better than Narnia (or at least as good), which was released at the exact same time of year as Golden Compass. And to be honest, a whole lot of people who took their kids to see Narnia hadn't read the books and knew little about the story. What they *did* know was that Narnia was at least in part based on Christian themes, which drew them
