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In a message dated 12/24/2007 4:26:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Badda Bing Badda Boom he nails it. LOTR was as big and as a commercial as Hollywood gets. The marketing and advertising budgets alone were enough to feed most thirdworld countries for a decade. The marketing of the film had nothing to do with the quality of the film . Blame that on New Line who wanted to control everything and make as much money as possible. It is not a typical Hollywood film. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Keith, that's when I changed the channel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the series was sombre at times, but the movie felt more so to me. It was actually downright depressing. Good series that, even though the Hulk was drastically depowered. Good series, that is, until the horrible TV movie when they brought that idiotic version of Thor onto the scene. Ever see that one? Really, really awful! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Angst that you described is the Angst I always felt when watching the Bill Bixby Series, so while I too needed a stiff drink, it felt more of the same for me. However, the CGI was absolutely horrible-- especially when the Hulk turned into a bouncing green ball. Martin wrote: LMNAO!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, i'd probably need therapy after seeing an Ang Lee rendition of The Hobbit. I was actually depressed after Hulk. it was such a brooding, downbeat movie. I'm all for well done angst in comic films. Indeed, it's those movies with realistic human drama that are the best, even in the cape-and-cowl genre. But Hulk--i came out of it feeling like i needed a shower and a stiff drink. And I don't drink! -- Original message -- From: Martin After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his vision for that one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: they're good examples of story, acting, plotting, action, FX, CGI, and that all-important, all-evasise look of a film. They may be okay directors but they don't have the it factor. I don't expect Scorsese to do the Hobbit. It is not his style. I don't expect Eastwood to do it either. I can see Ang Lee doing it. He has don different genres of film. These directors have not. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Tracey, that was *me* bashing Ang. Gymfig was bashing me *for* abshing him. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not define any writer/director by one or two things they have done, but their body of work. That is why I was running the resumes of the artists that you said did not have IT or have range to cross over genres It seems to me that you see one or two thing done by a director and define him by it. Funny you were just stressing to me that Ang Lee had done other films. Come to find out you do not even know what they are. In addition to Crouching Tiger, he won critical acclaim and awards for The Ice Storm, Sense and Sensibility, Eat Drink Man Woman and Brokeback Mountain. There are a few other films that he is known for, but I have not seen them or heard as much about them [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his vision for that one. I don't think that Ang Lee should be define by The Hulk and CTHD. I am sure that he has done other films. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I also love the theater experience. For me the experience of home theater versus movie house is the same as the difference between record shopping and song downloading. They both have great qualities but the shared communal experience of buying records from a store is really uniquely satisfying. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my living room is rather narrow and long, and we watch TV across the narrow width, so I don't quite get the theatre experience. Even if i did, and even when i get that much-desired 50 plasma TV, i still don't see the theatre being replaced for me. I love the movie going experience: the crowds, talking to people in line, being part of an opening-day phenomenon, sharing the action, sadness, and humour with a large crowd. that's what makes movies fun to me, so that even if the movie itself sucks, the overall experience can be enjoyable. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is how we do our movie nights. My daughter is always asking for us to turn the living room back into the Movie theatre. Because of how we watch our movies, I do not enjoy the theatre as much as in the past [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: definitely a generational thing. I won't watch a movie on DVD at home unless i can be assured of watching it in one sitting with minimal interruptions. Don't take phone calls, prepare my food ahead of time. I get that stopping and examining the film is cool (do it myself). But they're meant to be digested at one sitting, with all those things you mentioned fllowing together to make a good whole. -- Original message -- From: Daryle The Lord Of The Rings movies bore me because they move entirely too slow. There are entire scenes dedicated to establishing shots. I know I'm Generation X and I'm used to MTV style editing and all that, but I just think the entire first movie could have been covered in 30 minutes and then we could have gotten on with the second film, which is where the action sort of was. When I saw these movies in a theater I immediately sympathized with people who don't like Star Trek. If you've never cared about any of the Trek series, and the first time someone sits you down to watch it, it's the first movie, you are going to fall asleep. Because it is a long and drawn out story about people with whom you have no connection whatsoever. I didn't grow up reading Tolkien. I grew up reading Asimov and watching old Flash Gordon. When my friends in high school played DD, I was reading Douglas Adams. It's why I don't get Beowulf. It's why I've never played Zelda. So when I watched the movies on DVD, I was able to study the filmmaking. I could stop and check the details. I could go get a sandwich. Take a phone call. I was impressed by what I saw, because it was like someone had taken all this time to put all this data on screen. It was made, in my opinion, to stop and take it all in. Freeze frame, slow-mo. The LOTR movies are the best argument for HD that I can imagine. On 12/22/07 1:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why do you think LOTR bored you at the theatre? what was the difference in your home viewing experience? -- Original message -- From: Daryle And here is where the fandom line is sort of drawn. I have said this before, and I will say it again. I saw LOTR in a theater and I have never had such a good sleep outside of my own bed. I tried again with the second picture, and again, fell asleep. These just aren¹t my kind of stories. I can appreciate the production value, but I simply have never cared about these stories. So last year I watched all three on DVD, stayed awake, and was amazed at what I saw. Peter Jackson is a great filmmaker and tells stories better than many of his contemporaries. Raimi has done stories that I DO care about, and I have to say that he is remarkably inconsistent. Consistently FUNNY, but not exactly a string of classics. I like Sam himself more than the pictures he¹s done. WITH THE EXCEPTION of Spider Man 2. On 12/22/07 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i gotta disagree on Hellboy. That movie rocked. And some of the pieces: the initial magic working with Nazis, the religious dude, the look and feel of their headquarters, all show a deft hand with set design, FX, and even CGI. It's not a direct one-to-one correlation with the world of the Hobbit, but my point is the basic skillsets and abilities shown there can be adapted. I mean, after Blood Simple (think that was it) and The Frighteners, I never would have pegged Jackson to be right for LOTR, but New
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It may not be a typical hollywood film in terms of production or content or style but it was in every other sense it was absolutely typical. It was not an indie film. It did not have an indie film feel. It did not have indie film budget and the underlying point for everyone involved was to make something gigantically larger than life that made more money than the US mint. In that sense you can't get anymore typically hollywood. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/24/2007 4:26:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Badda Bing Badda Boom he nails it. LOTR was as big and as a commercial as Hollywood gets. The marketing and advertising budgets alone were enough to feed most thirdworld countries for a decade. The marketing of the film had nothing to do with the quality of the film . Blame that on New Line who wanted to control everything and make as much money as possible. It is not a typical Hollywood film. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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I don't know...Thor the Bike Dude kinda appealed to me...(ducking behind chair) Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, that's when I changed the channel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the series was sombre at times, but the movie felt more so to me. It was actually downright depressing. Good series that, even though the Hulk was drastically depowered. Good series, that is, until the horrible TV movie when they brought that idiotic version of Thor onto the scene. Ever see that one? Really, really awful! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Angst that you described is the Angst I always felt when watching the Bill Bixby Series, so while I too needed a stiff drink, it felt more of the same for me. However, the CGI was absolutely horrible-- especially when the Hulk turned into a bouncing green ball. Martin wrote: LMNAO!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, i'd probably need therapy after seeing an Ang Lee rendition of The Hobbit. I was actually depressed after Hulk. it was such a brooding, downbeat movie. I'm all for well done angst in comic films. Indeed, it's those movies with realistic human drama that are the best, even in the cape-and-cowl genre. But Hulk--i came out of it feeling like i needed a shower and a stiff drink. And I don't drink! -- Original message -- From: Martin After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his vision for that one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: they're good examples of story, acting, plotting, action, FX, CGI, and that all-important, all-evasise look of a film. They may be okay directors but they don't have the it factor. I don't expect Scorsese to do the Hobbit. It is not his style. I don't expect Eastwood to do it either. I can see Ang Lee doing it. He has don different genres of film. These directors have not. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I don't know...Thor the Biker Dude kinda appealed to me...(ducking behind chair) Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, that's when I changed the channel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the series was sombre at times, but the movie felt more so to me. It was actually downright depressing. Good series that, even though the Hulk was drastically depowered. Good series, that is, until the horrible TV movie when they brought that idiotic version of Thor onto the scene. Ever see that one? Really, really awful! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Angst that you described is the Angst I always felt when watching the Bill Bixby Series, so while I too needed a stiff drink, it felt more of the same for me. However, the CGI was absolutely horrible-- especially when the Hulk turned into a bouncing green ball. Martin wrote: LMNAO!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, i'd probably need therapy after seeing an Ang Lee rendition of The Hobbit. I was actually depressed after Hulk. it was such a brooding, downbeat movie. I'm all for well done angst in comic films. Indeed, it's those movies with realistic human drama that are the best, even in the cape-and-cowl genre. But Hulk--i came out of it feeling like i needed a shower and a stiff drink. And I don't drink! -- Original message -- From: Martin After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his vision for that one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: they're good examples of story, acting, plotting, action, FX, CGI, and that all-important, all-evasise look of a film. They may be okay directors but they don't have the it factor. I don't expect Scorsese to do the Hobbit. It is not his style. I don't expect Eastwood to do it either. I can see Ang Lee doing it. He has don different genres of film. These directors have not. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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You said it was a flop. I assumed, it seems correctly that you did not like it and that is why you were calling it a flop. I was saying just because you do not like a movie does not mean it necessarily is a flop. Good circular typing though [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/24/2007 6:28:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether you like it or not is irrelevant in determining a success of a movie. Try as you might and you do, you can not change facts. Good try thought/ Stuart Little was such a flop it had a sequel. I know that. I never said that I liked it. Im not even going to go there with The Sixth Sense. I did not mentioned tha film. Which Harry Potter. How do you criticize things without seeing them. Do you know which one I'm talking to. Chris Columbus Potter films are dramatically different than Cuaron's. How do you know what Cuaron and del Toro have the ability to build on when you have only seen one or two of their films and a few clips? Harry Potter, now that is Hollywood at its worse. Before Lord of the Rings, Jackson did Heavenly Creatures, the Frighteners, some in the outback and three other movies. The Frighteners was the closest to the fantasy of LOTR - and not remotely close at that. Jacison has the respect for the books He worked outsdie of Hollywood and did not do alot of work on a soundstage. It was in New Zealand. I respect that in an artist. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I understand that she was supporting Ang. I was telling her in previous posts that I like him too Martin wrote: Tracey, that was *me* bashing Ang. Gymfig was bashing me *for* abshing him. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not define any writer/director by one or two things they have done, but their body of work. That is why I was running the resumes of the artists that you said did not have IT or have range to cross over genres It seems to me that you see one or two thing done by a director and define him by it. Funny you were just stressing to me that Ang Lee had done other films. Come to find out you do not even know what they are. In addition to Crouching Tiger, he won critical acclaim and awards for The Ice Storm, Sense and Sensibility, Eat Drink Man Woman and Brokeback Mountain. There are a few other films that he is known for, but I have not seen them or heard as much about them [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his vision for that one. I don't think that Ang Lee should be define by The Hulk and CTHD. I am sure that he has done other films. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I understand why that appeals to you. I guess that is why I like our family movie nights. It makes even bad movies fun. I love the after movie discussion, the movie background look up, the jokes, the teasing, the imitating, the pillows on the floor, the fireplace, the fun meals. We probably got into them, because i was too ill to walk or go out much in public. But now that I'm close to being cured and go out regularly, we still do this family thing a lot. We have two friends into sci that have joined in and will be starting to rotate houses. Bosco Bosco wrote: I also love the theater experience. For me the experience of home theater versus movie house is the same as the difference between record shopping and song downloading. They both have great qualities but the shared communal experience of buying records from a store is really uniquely satisfying. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my living room is rather narrow and long, and we watch TV across the narrow width, so I don't quite get the theatre experience. Even if i did, and even when i get that much-desired 50 plasma TV, i still don't see the theatre being replaced for me. I love the movie going experience: the crowds, talking to people in line, being part of an opening-day phenomenon, sharing the action, sadness, and humour with a large crowd. that's what makes movies fun to me, so that even if the movie itself sucks, the overall experience can be enjoyable. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is how we do our movie nights. My daughter is always asking for us to turn the living room back into the Movie theatre. Because of how we watch our movies, I do not enjoy the theatre as much as in the past [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: definitely a generational thing. I won't watch a movie on DVD at home unless i can be assured of watching it in one sitting with minimal interruptions. Don't take phone calls, prepare my food ahead of time. I get that stopping and examining the film is cool (do it myself). But they're meant to be digested at one sitting, with all those things you mentioned fllowing together to make a good whole. -- Original message -- From: Daryle The Lord Of The Rings movies bore me because they move entirely too slow. There are entire scenes dedicated to establishing shots. I know I'm Generation X and I'm used to MTV style editing and all that, but I just think the entire first movie could have been covered in 30 minutes and then we could have gotten on with the second film, which is where the action sort of was. When I saw these movies in a theater I immediately sympathized with people who don't like Star Trek. If you've never cared about any of the Trek series, and the first time someone sits you down to watch it, it's the first movie, you are going to fall asleep. Because it is a long and drawn out story about people with whom you have no connection whatsoever. I didn't grow up reading Tolkien. I grew up reading Asimov and watching old Flash Gordon. When my friends in high school played DD, I was reading Douglas Adams. It's why I don't get Beowulf. It's why I've never played Zelda. So when I watched the movies on DVD, I was able to study the filmmaking. I could stop and check the details. I could go get a sandwich. Take a phone call. I was impressed by what I saw, because it was like someone had taken all this time to put all this data on screen. It was made, in my opinion, to stop and take it all in. Freeze frame, slow-mo. The LOTR movies are the best argument for HD that I can imagine. On 12/22/07 1:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why do you think LOTR bored you at the theatre? what was the difference in your home viewing experience? -- Original message -- From: Daryle And here is where the fandom line is sort of drawn. I have said this before, and I will say it again. I saw LOTR in a theater and I have never had such a good sleep outside of my own bed. I tried again with the second picture, and again, fell asleep. These just aren¹t my kind of stories. I can appreciate the production value, but I simply have never cared about these stories. So last year I watched all three on DVD, stayed awake, and was
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Tracey, what you describe is precisely why I *can't* watch movies with people. I do all of the things you described, and invariably am asked to either be quiet or leave. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand why that appeals to you. I guess that is why I like our family movie nights. It makes even bad movies fun. I love the after movie discussion, the movie background look up, the jokes, the teasing, the imitating, the pillows on the floor, the fireplace, the fun meals. We probably got into them, because i was too ill to walk or go out much in public. But now that I'm close to being cured and go out regularly, we still do this family thing a lot. We have two friends into sci that have joined in and will be starting to rotate houses. Bosco Bosco wrote: I also love the theater experience. For me the experience of home theater versus movie house is the same as the difference between record shopping and song downloading. They both have great qualities but the shared communal experience of buying records from a store is really uniquely satisfying. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my living room is rather narrow and long, and we watch TV across the narrow width, so I don't quite get the theatre experience. Even if i did, and even when i get that much-desired 50 plasma TV, i still don't see the theatre being replaced for me. I love the movie going experience: the crowds, talking to people in line, being part of an opening-day phenomenon, sharing the action, sadness, and humour with a large crowd. that's what makes movies fun to me, so that even if the movie itself sucks, the overall experience can be enjoyable. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) That is how we do our movie nights. My daughter is always asking for us to turn the living room back into the Movie theatre. Because of how we watch our movies, I do not enjoy the theatre as much as in the past [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: definitely a generational thing. I won't watch a movie on DVD at home unless i can be assured of watching it in one sitting with minimal interruptions. Don't take phone calls, prepare my food ahead of time. I get that stopping and examining the film is cool (do it myself). But they're meant to be digested at one sitting, with all those things you mentioned fllowing together to make a good whole. -- Original message -- From: Daryle The Lord Of The Rings movies bore me because they move entirely too slow. There are entire scenes dedicated to establishing shots. I know I'm Generation X and I'm used to MTV style editing and all that, but I just think the entire first movie could have been covered in 30 minutes and then we could have gotten on with the second film, which is where the action sort of was. When I saw these movies in a theater I immediately sympathized with people who don't like Star Trek. If you've never cared about any of the Trek series, and the first time someone sits you down to watch it, it's the first movie, you are going to fall asleep. Because it is a long and drawn out story about people with whom you have no connection whatsoever. I didn't grow up reading Tolkien. I grew up reading Asimov and watching old Flash Gordon. When my friends in high school played DD, I was reading Douglas Adams. It's why I don't get Beowulf. It's why I've never played Zelda. So when I watched the movies on DVD, I was able to study the filmmaking. I could stop and check the details. I could go get a sandwich. Take a phone call. I was impressed by what I saw, because it was like someone had taken all this time to put all this data on screen. It was made, in my opinion, to stop and take it all in. Freeze frame, slow-mo. The LOTR movies are the best argument for HD that I can imagine. On 12/22/07 1:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why do you think LOTR bored you at the theatre? what was the difference in your home viewing experience? -- Original message -- From: Daryle And here is where the fandom line is sort of drawn. I have said this before, and I will say it again. I saw LOTR in a theater and I have never had such a good sleep outside of my own bed. I tried again with the second picture, and again, fell asleep. These just
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
Stepping far outside myself to quote from the rap epic Ride the White Horse, Nononononono... Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know...Thor the Biker Dude kinda appealed to me...(ducking behind chair) Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, that's when I changed the channel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the series was sombre at times, but the movie felt more so to me. It was actually downright depressing. Good series that, even though the Hulk was drastically depowered. Good series, that is, until the horrible TV movie when they brought that idiotic version of Thor onto the scene. Ever see that one? Really, really awful! -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Angst that you described is the Angst I always felt when watching the Bill Bixby Series, so while I too needed a stiff drink, it felt more of the same for me. However, the CGI was absolutely horrible-- especially when the Hulk turned into a bouncing green ball. Martin wrote: LMNAO!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, i'd probably need therapy after seeing an Ang Lee rendition of The Hobbit. I was actually depressed after Hulk. it was such a brooding, downbeat movie. I'm all for well done angst in comic films. Indeed, it's those movies with realistic human drama that are the best, even in the cape-and-cowl genre. But Hulk--i came out of it feeling like i needed a shower and a stiff drink. And I don't drink! -- Original message -- From: Martin After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his vision for that one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: they're good examples of story, acting, plotting, action, FX, CGI, and that all-important, all-evasise look of a film. They may be okay directors but they don't have the it factor. I don't expect Scorsese to do the Hobbit. It is not his style. I don't expect Eastwood to do it either. I can see Ang Lee doing it. He has don different genres of film. These directors have not. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] NT Times - Hoover Planned Mass Jailing in 1950
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bush and Cheney would love to do the same thing to a lot more people. Check this mostrous thing out and call for Impeachment loud and clear! Outraged Amy Subject: H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. The Senate version is S. 1959. GovTrack: H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (Vote On Passage) House Vote #993 --- Oct 23, 2007 (404-6) Passed. The above link brings you to the Vote Roll. Ten out of ten Massachusetts U.S. House seats, all held by Democrats, voted in favor of a Bill, without full debate, whose unconstitutionality would raise the eyebrow of a lowly federal district court judge, but only raise a gleeful sneer from our new Attorney General Mukasey. On 14 November 2007, at 10am, the President said, I particularly want to thank the Chief Justice of the United States, John Roberts, who is here to swear-in the General.. This is what I call buttering up the judge who will sit his impeachment trial. Had to get that in before the Senate ratifies the Bill. I wouldn't be surprised to see the senate add an ex poste facto measure. We have come right up against, Give me liberty, or give me death. For one nation under God, indivisibly, with liberty and justice for all. Together we stand, or divided we fall. Now is the time to make your choice. To answer follow these thoughts: 1. What would you expect of federal leadership that would make you more proud to be an American? 2. What are you willing to give of yourself, to go get that for yourself, your progeny, your community, and beyond. The time has come to recover our lands, our federal government has gone haywire, and will not correct itself. There is no one else to save us but ourselves, or our enemies of which we have made many. Again a choice for you to make. If you live by the shore, your remote will not save you from drowning, put it down, now. If you live in the southern tier, your remote will not fill your glass with water, put it down, and pay attention. Either we unite and regain control by the rights vested in us under our founding documents, or we continue to enforce our enslavement. Stockbridge, Massachusetts, in the Bay Colony, 1779-1785, immigrant farmers, one generation removed from centuries of serfdom, united against oppressive court judgments which took their farms in foreclosure, and jailed them mercilessly under deficiency and as debtors. Joined by iron workers from West Stockbridge and other farmers from Sheffield, Lenox, and Lee; with two horses they rode, as the rest marched to the Court of Common Pleas sitting to the South in Great Barrington. They headed off the three magistrates as they promenaded behind the High Sheriff to the Courthouse. They forced without violence an agreement, signed by the three magistrates, suspending the issuances of judgments, unless and until their grievances could be heard before the General Court. They then marched on the Jail, and again without violence, released their kith and kin to bring them home to be nursed back to health. Today, Stockbridge Lanesborough, and Great Barrington are six months resolved for the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. On 7 June 2007, our Town Clerk had affixed her signature to the resolution and forwarded it to the Clerks of our state and federal legislatures to be read into the official records in every chamber. On 5 July our U.S. Rep. refused to co-sign H. Res. 333. On 6 November, Congressman John Olver voted to table an open debate of H. Res. 333, intending to kill the measure forever. At the end of that same day, a majority vote of the full House of Representatives, sent H. res. 333 to the House Committee on the Judiciary. This is the classical, historical commencement of impeachment investigations. Yet Chairman Conyers and every member save Congressman Henry Wexler (D-FL), has balked at undertaking this awesome responsibility. The latest is that they are too busy with previously scheduled matters. These folks need a little friendly persuasion. First, the congratulatory remarks to the six who co-signed H. Res. 333. Then to Rep. Wexler, who was not one of those six co-signers, major kudos. Then to the 17 Republicans, who are obliged by the majority vote of their party on the open floor on 6 November. Finally, to the gunga din Democrats on the committee who did not sign onto H. Res. 333. I will give you their contact information below. Our state legislature and Governor have made not one mention of the authorities mandated by over twenty towns and cities. In June 2007, 2,500 delegates at the Annual Convention, the state Democratic Party so resolved by an overwhelming majority. Vermont's Senate is the only state legislature to address and pass an impeachment resolution. This month, the National Lawyers Guild at their Annual Convention in Washington, DC, unanimously resolved for the
[scifinoir2] Fw: World Science: Giving beauty some of its mystery back
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cool science stuff. * Science gives beauty some of its mystery back -- for now: There may be more to good looks than averageness after all, new research suggests. http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/071222_beauty.htm * Small asteroids may do major damage: A new look at a 1908 event suggests disaster from space could be more common than once thought. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071221_tunguska.htm * Is humor tied to male aggression?: A doctor's hobby of unicycling turned into a study of human nature, that offers a new perspective on why we joke. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071221_humor.htm * Whales evolved from raccoon-sized creature, study finds: The missing link for whales and dolphins was a small hoofed mammal, researchers say. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071219_indohyus.htm * Galaxy seen blasting neighbor: A jet from a galaxy's giant, central black hole is pummeling a nearby galaxy, according to astronomers. http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071217_beam.htm Invite friends to join World Science! Do your friends or colleagues a favor. Just click here to open an invitation email you can send them so they can join you in subscribing to World Science at no charge. Feel free to change the email text (although you might want to leave the subscription instructions unchanged.) This is the World Science newsletter. To cancel your subscription, please reply to this email address with cancel in the subject line. To subscribe, write to this email address with subscribe in the subject line. To change the address where you receive the newsletter, simply subscribe the new address and cancel the old one. Any article on the World Science site may be reproduced on another website, on condition that it is reproduced along with a link to the World Science homepage, http://www.world-science.net. Linking to the page of the original article is optional. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1189 - Release Date: 12/18/2007 9:40 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark
Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted... *** http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily Record, Smith was quoted saying: Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.' The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: Remarkably, Will believes everyone is basically good. Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a good person. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark
He basically said, most people who do bad things, think that are doing something good for society. He said that they do not think they are evil doing some sinister act. I agree. people will find a way to justify anything. If it harms some people, they use the argument that some must be sacrificed for the whole of society. .. a twisted version of the Vulcan needs of the many... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted... *** http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily Record, Smith was quoted saying: Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.' The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: Remarkably, Will believes everyone is basically good. Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a good person. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
Then you should come to movie night with us. The analysis happens after. Mostly snarky remarks during bad films or cheers happen during. The after movie analysis goes on for at least 30 minutes. I think you need to do it with some serious fans. I would not do it over my moms or if I was hanging out with some neighbors. They would shut me up too.So far everyone in the group is into scifi - like you guys and also seem to be movie buffs in general. That might have something to do with it Martin wrote: Tracey, what you describe is precisely why I *can't* watch movies with people. I do all of the things you described, and invariably am asked to either be quiet or leave. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand why that appeals to you. I guess that is why I like our family movie nights. It makes even bad movies fun. I love the after movie discussion, the movie background look up, the jokes, the teasing, the imitating, the pillows on the floor, the fireplace, the fun meals. We probably got into them, because i was too ill to walk or go out much in public. But now that I'm close to being cured and go out regularly, we still do this family thing a lot. We have two friends into sci that have joined in and will be starting to rotate houses. Bosco Bosco wrote: I also love the theater experience. For me the experience of home theater versus movie house is the same as the difference between record shopping and song downloading. They both have great qualities but the shared communal experience of buying records from a store is really uniquely satisfying. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my living room is rather narrow and long, and we watch TV across the narrow width, so I don't quite get the theatre experience. Even if i did, and even when i get that much-desired 50 plasma TV, i still don't see the theatre being replaced for me. I love the movie going experience: the crowds, talking to people in line, being part of an opening-day phenomenon, sharing the action, sadness, and humour with a large crowd. that's what makes movies fun to me, so that even if the movie itself sucks, the overall experience can be enjoyable. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) That is how we do our movie nights. My daughter is always asking for us to turn the living room back into the Movie theatre. Because of how we watch our movies, I do not enjoy the theatre as much as in the past [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: definitely a generational thing. I won't watch a movie on DVD at home unless i can be assured of watching it in one sitting with minimal interruptions. Don't take phone calls, prepare my food ahead of time. I get that stopping and examining the film is cool (do it myself). But they're meant to be digested at one sitting, with all those things you mentioned fllowing together to make a good whole. -- Original message -- From: Daryle The Lord Of The Rings movies bore me because they move entirely too slow. There are entire scenes dedicated to establishing shots. I know I'm Generation X and I'm used to MTV style editing and all that, but I just think the entire first movie could have been covered in 30 minutes and then we could have gotten on with the second film, which is where the action sort of was. When I saw these movies in a theater I immediately sympathized with people who don't like Star Trek. If you've never cared about any of the Trek series, and the first time someone sits you down to watch it, it's the first movie, you are going to fall asleep. Because it is a long and drawn out story about people with whom you have no connection whatsoever. I didn't grow up reading Tolkien. I grew up reading Asimov and watching old Flash Gordon. When my friends in high school played DD, I was reading Douglas Adams. It's why I don't get Beowulf. It's why I've never played Zelda. So when I watched the movies on DVD, I was able to study the filmmaking. I
[scifinoir2] UFO debate invades politicians' space
UFO debate invades politicians' space http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071221/od_nm/ufo_dc_1printer=1;_ylt=AvPPBF59fmP2Kidwc0BOkuUZ.3QA Fri Dec 21, 10:19 AM ET A debate over flying saucers has kept Japanese politicians occupied for much of this week, ensnaring top officials and drawing a promise from the defense minister to send out the army if Godzilla goes on a rampage. There are debates over what makes UFOs fly, but it would be difficult to say it's an encroachment of air space, Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba told a news conference Thursday. If Godzilla were to show up, it would be a dispatch for disaster relief. His remarks came after the top government spokesman was asked Tuesday about an opposition politician's demand that the government confirm the existence of unidentified flying objects. Personally, I definitely believe they exist, chief cabinet secretary Nobutaka Machimura said, drawing laughter from reporters. Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda took a more guarded stance later in the day, saying he has yet to confirm their existence. The debate started Tuesday when the cabinet issued a statement in response to the opposition lawmaker's question, saying it could not confirm any cases of UFO sightings. Not all lawmakers are enthralled. Give me a break, ruling party lawmaker Toshihiro Nikai was quoted as saying by the Yomiuri newspaper. There are many (other) things politics has to respond to. (Reporting by Yoko Kubota and George Nishiyama; Editing by Mike Miller) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Thieves steal pair of nutcracker statues
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071225/ap_on_fe_st/odd_nutcracker_vandalism;_ylt=AuRcKdNFpv7vMP1gLL._QAMZ.3QA Tue Dec 25, 1:55 PM ET Thieves ruined Christmas for one woman this year by stealing the pair of 6-foot-tall nutcracker statues from in front of her house. We didn't know anyone could be so mean, Stacie Hoyles said. It's terrible to say, but this just took my whole Christmas spirit away. The 100-pound statues, which Hoyles and her husband, Craig Hoyles, nicknamed Mr. Nut and Mr. Cracker, were taken Dec. 7 while the couple slept. The couple found Mr. Nut's torso at a roadside about a mile away the next day, and Dublin police found other splintered parts nearby. Officers said it appeared the statue had been dragged through the streets by a car. The other statue was found in a field, partially burned with several parts missing. A neighbor said she heard teenagers stop near her home the night of the theft, according to a police report. The couple bought the statues for $500 four years ago, but Stacie Hoyles said the only replacements she could find were being sold online for $1,500. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Cards from heaven have dead man talking
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071225/ap_on_fe_st/odd_cards_from_heaven;_ylt=Art5V_QrYb2hXi_xK6L24zgZ.3QA Even in death, Chet Fitch is a card. Fitch, known for his sense of humor, died in October at age 88 but gave his friends and family a start recently: Christmas cards, 34 of them, began arriving — written in his hand with a return address of Heaven. The greeting read: I asked Big Guy if I could sneak back and send some cards. At first he said no; but at my insistence he finally said, 'Oh well, what the heaven, go ahead but don't (tarry) there.' Wish I could tell you about things here but words cannot explain. Better get back as Big Guy said he stretched a point to let me in the first time, so I had better not press my luck. I'll probably be seeing you (some sooner than you think). Wishing you a very Merry Christmas. Chet Fitch A friend for nearly 25 years, Debbie Hansen Bernard said, All I could think was, 'You little stinker.' It was amazing, she said. Just so Chet, always wanting to get the last laugh. The mailing was a joke Fitch worked on for two decades with his barber, Patty Dean, 57. She told the Ashland Daily Tidings this week that he kept updating the mailing list and giving her extra money when postal rates went up. This fall, she said, Fitch looked up to her from the chair. You must be getting tired of waiting to mail those cards, he told her. I think you'll probably be able to mail them this year. He died a week later.sc
