Re: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Andrew Kuntz wrote: ...Miss Gunning's was apparently written in honor of one of two sisters from Roscommon...They were the toast of London in the 1750's (which fits nicely with the tune's appearance in the Thompson collection)... Except that Bruce said There is a tune of the title Miss Gunnings in the Thompson's 1st collection of 200 country dances, (London) c 1658, reissued c 1764 and c 1780... I suspect he meant to write c 1758, reissued etc ? That would tie up all the loose ends. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Sorry for the typo. Yes, c 1758 certainly for the Thompson's 1st collection of 200 country dances. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
Andrew Kuntz wrote: Miss Gunning's Reel appears in several collections such as Vickers (1770)...The Irish collector Brendan Breathnach attributed MIss Gunnings to Marshall (who would have been only 22 when the melody appeared in Vickers)... In 'Scottish Fiddlers and their Music' (M A Alburger 1983) she says that Marshall was thirty-two when he first published his compositions. If Vickers is dated 1770 this proves your theory. I too took Breathnach's attribution as gospel, but I can't think if I've seen Marshall credited anywhere else. I'll try and look at the Thompson collection mentioned by Bruce Olson and see if it's the same tune; if it is, the mystery is irrevocably solved. Good sleuthing, Andrew! -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Andrew Kuntz wrote: Miss Gunning's Reel appears in several collections such as Vickers (1770)...The Irish collector Brendan Breathnach attributed MIss Gunnings to Marshall (who would have been only 22 when the melody appeared in Vickers)... In 'Scottish Fiddlers and their Music' (M A Alburger 1983) she says that Marshall was thirty-two when he first published his compositions. If Vickers is dated 1770 this proves your theory. I too took Breathnach's attribution as gospel, but I can't think if I've seen Marshall credited anywhere else. I'll try and look at the Thompson collection mentioned by Bruce Olson and see if it's the same tune; if it is, the mystery is irrevocably solved. Good sleuthing, Andrew! -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Andrew Kuntz wrote: Miss Gunning's Reel appears in several collections such as Vickers (1770)...The Irish collector Brendan Breathnach attributed MIss Gunnings to Marshall (who would have been only 22 when the melody appeared in Vickers)... In 'Scottish Fiddlers and their Music' (M A Alburger 1983) she says that Marshall was thirty-two when he first published his compositions. If Vickers is dated 1770 this proves your theory. I too took Breathnach's attribution as gospel, but I can't think if I've seen Marshall credited anywhere else. I'll try and look at the Thompson collection mentioned by Bruce Olson and see if it's the same tune; if it is, the mystery is irrevocably solved. Good sleuthing, Andrew! -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/liI erred. Sorry about that last. I inadvertantly clicked on 'Send' before pasting in my note as follows:. I did copy Miss Gunnings from the c 1780 reissue of the Thompson's first collection of 200 country dances, but forgot to note that in my typed up contents list. It is definitely Miss Gunning Reel. X:1 T:Miss Gunnings S:Thompson's 1st coll'n of 200 country dances S:via c 1780 reissue of c 1758 collection L:1/8 M:C| K:A c2BA (G/A/B) ED|CEAc BE E2|c2BG G/A/B Ed|(c/d/e) EB|cAA2::\ aAaA aAA2|(G/A/B) trB2 (G/A/B) trB2|aAaA aAA2|c2BA DAA2::\ cetrfe cetrfe|fedc BE trE2|(ce)trfe cetrfe|\ fefg aAA2:|] Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
Bruce and Nigel -- Thanks so much for the info. I appreciate very much your diligence in tracking down the Thompson's info. as it nails the issue. Miss Gunning's was apparently written in honor of one of two sisters from Roscommon, who came from down-on-their-luck gentry but who parlayed their renowned beauty into fortunate marriages: one married an earl and became Lady Coventry, the other married a duke and became Duchess of Hamilton and Argyle. They were the toast of London in the 1750's (which fits nicely with the tune's appearance in the Thompson collection). Irish beggers would thank tippers with the phrase May the Luck of the Gunning's be with ye. Alas, beauty fades, and one of the sisters ended up poisoning herself with lead-based cosmetics applied in an ever-heavier manner. Regards, Andrew Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce and Nigel -- Thanks so much for the info. I appreciate very much your diligence in tracking down the Thompson's info. as it nails the issue. Miss Gunning's was apparently written in honor of one of two sisters from Roscommon, who came from down-on-their-luck gentry but who parlayed their renowned beauty into fortunate marriages: one married an earl and became Lady Coventry, the other married a duke and became Duchess of Hamilton and Argyle. They were the toast of London in the 1750's (which fits nicely with the tune's appearance in the Thompson collection). Irish beggers would thank tippers with the phrase May the Luck of the Gunning's be with ye. Alas, beauty fades, and one of the sisters ended up poisoning herself with lead-based cosmetics applied in an ever-heavier manner. Regards, Andrew Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html In Charles Gore's 'The Scottish Fiddle Music Index' the theme code of Miss Gunning's in D. Rutherford's 1st collection of 200 country dances, c 1756, (source code R12v1) is the same as that for several copies of Miss Gunning's (Reel/Delight), as is that from the c 1780 reissue of the Thompson's 1st collection. Probably the same is Miss Gunning in J. Johnson's 6th vol. of 200 country dances, 1751. [Listed in 'National Tune Index', as is D. Rutherford's, and copied to file CNTYDAN2 on my website.] The tune is undoubtably not a composition by Wm. Marshall. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
REMOVE - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel I could use some help, having reached an impasse with my own resources. Miss Gunning's Reel appears in several collections such as Vickers (1770), Aird (1782) and McGlashan (1786), and also appears in Marshall's Kinrara collection which is actually a sheet, front and back, along with the tunes Kinrara, Highland Time, Lick the Laddle Sandie and Whigs of Fife and a forgettable tune by the Duke of Gordon. The Irish collector Brendan Breathnach attributed MIss Gunnings to Marshall (who would have been only 22 when the melody appeared in Vickers). Does anyone else attribute it to Marshall? Does anyone know who might have composed the tune, if Marshall did not? Are there any occurances prior to 1770? Much thanks for your help. Regards, Andrew Kuntz
Re: [scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could use some help, having reached an impasse with my own resources. Miss Gunning's Reel appears in several collections such as Vickers (1770), Aird (1782) and McGlashan (1786), and also appears in Marshall's Kinrara collection which is actually a sheet, front and back, along with the tunes Kinrara, Highland Time, Lick the Laddle Sandie and Whigs of Fife and a forgettable tune by the Duke of Gordon. The Irish collector Brendan Breathnach attributed MIss Gunnings to Marshall (who would have been only 22 when the melody appeared in Vickers). Does anyone else attribute it to Marshall? Does anyone know who might have composed the tune, if Marshall did not? Are there any occurances prior to 1770? Much thanks for your help. Regards, Andrew Kuntz There is a tune of the title Miss Gunnings in the Thompson's 1st collection of 200 country dances, (London) c 1658, reissued c 1764 and c 1780. Only the latter have I actually seen, and I didn't copy the tune there. It's also in Longman and Broderip's 2 collection, London, c 1792. You can get the scale incipt/stressed note code from Rabson and Van Winkle Keller's 'The National Tune Index', 1980 - microfiche only. (I have it, but no ready access to a microfiche reader at present) Isuspect that Miss Gunning's Reel has been mistakenly attributed to Wm. Marshal because the tune appeared on the single sheet issue with Marshall's Kinrara, c 1800. Bruce Olson Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Miss Gunning's Reel
I could use some help, having reached an impasse with my own resources. Miss Gunning's Reel appears in several collections such as Vickers (1770), Aird (1782) and McGlashan (1786), and also appears in Marshall's Kinrara collection which is actually a sheet, front and back, along with the tunes Kinrara, Highland Time, Lick the Laddle Sandie and Whigs of Fife and a forgettable tune by the Duke of Gordon. The Irish collector Brendan Breathnach attributed MIss Gunnings to Marshall (who would have been only 22 when the melody appeared in Vickers). Does anyone else attribute it to Marshall? Does anyone know who might have composed the tune, if Marshall did not? Are there any occurances prior to 1770? Much thanks for your help. Regards, Andrew Kuntz
