Re: [Scottish] Eben Moglen (GPL author) lecture Edinburgh, 26th June
Dan Shearer wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 09:53:13PM +0100, William Anderson wrote: "Eben Moglen, the lawyer behind the GPL family of licenses" = incorrect For nearly 15 years, if you were a serious GPL violater the FSF counsel who would carry out the legal moves against you was Eben Moglen. That's what "behind" means. When RMS asked Eben to act for him in connection with his (RMS') GPL2 it was because there was no lawyer behind the GPL until Eben came along. Without enforcement the GPL wouldn't be much use to us. That doesn't mean he was behind it :) The police are not "behind" they law, since they don't make policy or legislation, they simply enforce it. Whatever -- let's lighten up, come along and ask him yourself! I'm clearly not a primary source, maybe I got it wrong! It's not about lightening up, when you attribute authorship of the GPL to Moglen and away from rms - and as much as i can't stand rms - it's unfair and it demands correction. Sorry if you see that as unenlightened :) -- _ __/| William Anderson | Tim: Your cheese game is strong. \`O_o' neuro at well dot com | Zane: My cheese game. It's all about the =(_ _)= http://neuro.me.uk/ | cheese platter. U - Thhbt! GPG 0xFA5F1100 | -- Tim Westwood, Zane Lowe, R1, Dec 2005 ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Eben Moglen (GPL author) lecture Edinburgh, 26th June
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 09:53:13PM +0100, William Anderson wrote: > "Eben Moglen, the lawyer behind the GPL family of licenses" = incorrect For nearly 15 years, if you were a serious GPL violater the FSF counsel who would carry out the legal moves against you was Eben Moglen. That's what "behind" means. When RMS asked Eben to act for him in connection with his (RMS') GPL2 it was because there was no lawyer behind the GPL until Eben came along. Without enforcement the GPL wouldn't be much use to us. Whatever -- let's lighten up, come along and ask him yourself! I'm clearly not a primary source, maybe I got it wrong! -- Dan Shearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Eben Moglen (GPL author) lecture Edinburgh, 26th June
Dan Shearer wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 07:07:55AM +0100, William Anderson wrote: Dan Shearer wrote: This is a heads-up: Eben Moglen, the lawyer behind the GPL family of licenses, [snip] what? RMS wrote GPLs v1 and 2 long before Moglen joined the FSF. What I wrote is correct. "Eben Moglen (GPL author)" = incorrect "Eben Moglen, the lawyer behind the GPL family of licenses" = incorrect Were you to state that Eben is one of the co-authors of GPLv3, I'd agree. -- _ __/| William Anderson | Tim: Your cheese game is strong. \`O_o' neuro at well dot com | Zane: My cheese game. It's all about the =(_ _)= http://neuro.me.uk/ | cheese platter. U - Thhbt! GPG 0xFA5F1100 | -- Tim Westwood, Zane Lowe, R1, Dec 2005 ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Eben Moglen (GPL author) lecture Edinburgh, 26th June
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 04:51:42PM +0930, Dan Shearer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 07:07:55AM +0100, William Anderson wrote: > > Dan Shearer wrote: > > >This is a heads-up: Eben Moglen, the lawyer behind the GPL family of > > >licenses, [snip] > > > > what? RMS wrote GPLs v1 and 2 long before Moglen joined the FSF. > > What I wrote is correct. More specifically, Eben was the first lawyer to become engaged in understanding what the GPL2 meant, as far as I have heard. Understanding what a contract really means is something that happens over time with enforcement, and this is what Eben has been busy with for 15 years. I'm pretty sure RMS did consult with some lawyers when drafting GPLv2, I can't remember, but there were no lawyers behind the license until Eben turned up. Quote from http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Keynote_about_GPL3_at_HOSC_2006 : Well, first I want to put on record, yet again, the fact that I went to work for Mr. Stallman in 1993. I don?t want any credit for GPL version 2. Not because it?s not a thing that anybody in his right mind would want credit for, but simply because I deserve no credit whatever, OK? I came to the license as a lawyer after it had already been long in use, I accepted the cards as they were dealt and I thought they were the most brilliant hand I?d ever seen. I thought anybody could play that hand. I thought ?It?s a shame that nobody better than me has turned up to play this hand as a lawyer, because these are the nicest cards on earth, and they?re going begging.? Of course there were some people who thought they didn?t want Mr. Stallman as a client. That was a fundamental misjudgment, in my view, but nonetheless. So, with that in mind, I would say that I was not surprised by any of the businesses participating in the process, because I deal with those people all the time in my ordinary life as the lawyer responsible for enforcing GPL on behalf of the Free Software Foundation, and as the founder of the Software Freedom Law Center. -- Dan Shearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Eben Moglen (GPL author) lecture Edinburgh, 26th June
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 07:07:55AM +0100, William Anderson wrote: > Dan Shearer wrote: > >This is a heads-up: Eben Moglen, the lawyer behind the GPL family of > >licenses, [snip] > > what? RMS wrote GPLs v1 and 2 long before Moglen joined the FSF. What I wrote is correct. -- Dan Shearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Eben Moglen (GPL author) lecture Edinburgh, 26th June
Dan Shearer wrote: This is a heads-up: Eben Moglen, the lawyer behind the GPL family of licenses, [snip] what? RMS wrote GPLs v1 and 2 long before Moglen joined the FSF. -- _ __/| William Anderson | Tim: Your cheese game is strong. \`O_o' neuro at well dot com | Zane: My cheese game. It's all about the =(_ _)= http://neuro.me.uk/ | cheese platter. U - Thhbt! GPG 0xFA5F1100 | -- Tim Westwood, Zane Lowe, R1, Dec 2005 ___ Scottish mailing list Scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
