Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Feb/15 07:34, Izumi Okutani wrote: We would know which organization the ASNs are assigned to, as those upstream ASNs are already used. We don't have a formal mechanism to check the authenticity of the POCs but usually check the e-mails provided are reachable. We would find it

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Dean Pemberton
Here's a quote from an even OLDER RFC which hasn't stood the test of time. - Large organizations like banks and retail chains are switching to TCP/IP for their internal communication. Large numbers of local workstations like cash registers, money

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Hi Izumi, Thanks. Helpful to know and that's consistent with how we handle ASN requests in JPNIC. w.r.t JPNIC, do they ask for the details of those ASN (along with contact details) with whom applicant is planning to multi-home in future? Do they have any mechanism to check the authenticity

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Izumi Okutani
Hi Aftab, On 2015/02/27 14:19, Aftab Siddiqui wrote: Hi Izumi, Thanks. Helpful to know and that's consistent with how we handle ASN requests in JPNIC. w.r.t JPNIC, do they ask for the details of those ASN (along with contact details) with whom applicant is planning to multi-home in

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Dean Pemberton
I'm sure Skeeve also thinks that organisations should be able to get all the IP addresses they might ever need all on day one. I'm sure he even knows a company who could arrange that for them. Lets see where the community thinks this should go. It still sounds like unlimited ASNs for anyone who

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Izumi Okutani iz...@nic.ad.jp wrote: May I clarify with APNIC hosmaster whether : a. It is a must for an applicant to be multihomed at the time of submitting the request b. If an applicant can demonstrate a plan to be multihomed in immediate

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Feb/15 07:14, Izumi Okutani wrote: I don't know whether it's adequate to do the same case in the APNIC region but sharing our case as a reference - JPNIC requests for contact information for those ASNs they plan to be connected. We sometimes we contact the upstreams and confirm the

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Jahangir Hossain
Personally, I also faced the same complexity about the mandatory multi-homing requirement when i tried to apply for ASN of new ISP. I support this by considering organizations are not tempted to provide wrong information . Make simple and authenticate information . On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Yes we did... Like when Cisco started rolling out 1.1.1.1 to Wireless Controllers and other things. ...Skeeve On Friday, February 27, 2015, Dean Pemberton d...@internetnz.net.nz wrote: Here's a quote from an even OLDER RFC which hasn't stood the test of time. - Large organizations

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Job Snijders
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 03:08:42PM +, Gaurab Raj Upadhaya wrote: On 2/25/15 11:10 PM, David Farmer wrote: A network of 1 or 2 routers probably doesn't justify an ASN unless it is multi-homed or connected to an IX. A network of 100 routers probably justifies an ASN regardless. Then

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Owen DeLong
In theory, this is why each RIR has a public policy process open to any who choose to participate. The fact that operator participation in the process is limited (voluntarily by the operators themselves) continues to cause problems for operators. This not only affects RIRs, but also the IETF,

Re: [sig-policy] Requirements for Subsequent ASN Requests

2015-02-26 Thread Owen DeLong
Yes, I was well aware of that. Is there anything you believe to be incorrect in my comments as a result? Otherwise, I’m not sure what you are getting at. I believe a unique routing policy or multiple peers is sufficient justification. Absent that, I believe that an entity which qualifies for PI

Re: [sig-policy] Requirements for Subsequent ASN Requests

2015-02-26 Thread Owen DeLong
I’m not opposed to qualifying some cases where private AS may also work, because in those cases, frankly, I think most organizations will either use a private AS rather than go to the trouble of applying, or, they may have a good reason (future plans, etc.) for wanting to get a public AS and

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-26 Thread Skeeve Stevens
We will have new wording soon. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service ske...@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/v4now ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau linkedin.com/in/skeeve

Re: [sig-policy] Requirements for Subsequent ASN Requests

2015-02-26 Thread Masato Yamanishi
Understood your point. Thx. Regards, Masato Yamanishi 2015-02-26 18:19 GMT-06:00 Owen DeLong o...@delong.com: I’m not opposed to qualifying some cases where private AS may also work, because in those cases, frankly, I think most organizations will either use a private AS rather than go to