Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal ] prop-112: On demand expansion of IPv6 address allocation size in legacy IPv6 space [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
My reading of the policy proposal is that it aims to allow people who received allocations under the legacy allocation scheme to expand their address space in a contiguous fashion without having to shift out of their existing address space. Maybe I'm being dense but how are the restricted

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
Yeah I think this is a bit of a radical proposal to accept at present. I'm not convinced we should be supporting CGN in this way, nor am I a fan of seeing more and more information make it into Whois which might not be the best place. I would like to hear more from Hiromi-san about the problem

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
I look forward to hearing more from the author. At present I do not support this proposal. On Wednesday, 25 February 2015, Masato Yamanishi myama...@gmail.com wrote: Dean, I totally agree that we should focus on the problem statement itself in Fukuoka since this problem statement has

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal ] prop-112: On demand expansion of IPv6 address allocation size in legacy IPv6 space [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2015-02-24 Thread Robert Hudson
On 25 February 2015 at 07:13, Dean Pemberton d...@internetnz.net.nz wrote: +1 to most of what Dean says. My point is that if you need more than a /32, then you should be able to get a /28 rather than having to make a /[29..31] work. It's my understanding that current policy allows just

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
Looks like a clarification on the definition of multi-homing from the secretariat is what we need before being able to proceed here. -- Dean Pemberton Technical Policy Advisor InternetNZ +64 21 920 363 (mob) d...@internetnz.net.nz To promote the Internet's benefits and uses, and protect its

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Firstly I agree with Randy here. If you're not multi-homed then your routing policy can not be 'unique' from your single upstream. You may wish it was, but you have no way to enforce this. This is not true. You can be

Re: [sig-policy] New Version of prop-115-v001: Registration of detailed assignment information in whois DB

2015-02-24 Thread Masato Yamanishi
Dean, I totally agree that we should focus on the problem statement itself in Fukuoka since this problem statement has something new concept for Policy SIG and Fukuoka will be first meeting. However, I don't think this proposal needs to be withdrawn to focus on the problem statement in Fukuoka.

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-113: Modification in the IPv4 eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Owen DeLong
Actually, after seeing the clarifications provided to Dean, I now oppose this proposal as written. Owen On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:21 , Masato Yamanishi myama...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Colleagues, Regarding prop-113, I saw 3 very simple support and 1 clarification without any negative

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
Members potentially lying on their resource application forms is not sufficient justification to remove all the rules entirely. If someone lies on their a countries visa application about a previous conviction for example, thats not justification for the entire country to just give up issuing

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Dean Pemberton
Great - Thanks for that. As far as I can tell this covers all possible use cases I can see. I do not believe that there is a need for prop-114. I do not support the proposal -- Dean Pemberton Technical Policy Advisor InternetNZ +64 21 920 363 (mob) d...@internetnz.net.nz To promote the

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Robert Hudson
On 25 February 2015 at 17:06, Dean Pemberton d...@internetnz.net.nz wrote: Great - Thanks for that. As far as I can tell this covers all possible use cases I can see. I do not believe that there is a need for prop-114. I do not support the proposal I concur with Dean - I don't see a

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Raphael Ho
All, I¹m having an offline discussion with Aftab, basically the issue he¹s trying to address is that new ISPs in small countries/cities may not meet the day 1 requirements for an ASN, but however should be eligible since they will require an ASN to peer/multihome at some point in the future

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Skeeve Stevens
To me, relaxing these rules is less about lying - although is easy, but it is to do with flexibility. I understand the routing policy wont be different that an upstream without being multi-homed, but it does curtail the convenience of being able to add these things easily. Lets say I was a

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Agreed... Aftabs use case is one of many... the others I just posted about. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service ske...@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/v4now ;

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Philip Smith
Dean Pemberton wrote on 25/02/2015 15:06 : Great - Thanks for that. As far as I can tell this covers all possible use cases I can see. I do not believe that there is a need for prop-114. Same, I simply don't understand what problem is trying to be solved here. If an organisation is

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Thanks Guangliang for the update, According to the current APNIC ASN policy document, the definition of multihomed is as below. http://www.apnic.net/policy/asn-policy#3.4 3.4 Multihomed A multi-homed AS is one which is connected to more than one other AS. An AS also qualifies as

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-24 Thread Raphael Ho
I¹m with Dean on both counts. My opinion is, if you are buying a single homed transit + peering, you are multihoming. However, if you are sub-allocated addresses from your upstream (non portable) + peering, you are doing something undesirable (in my personal opinion. Yours personal opinion may