Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Owen DeLong
Opposed as written. Vague wording which basically says that the secretariat can decide policy on a case-by-case basis is antithetical to an informed multi-stakeholder community consensus policy development process. Owen On Mar 4, 2015, at 00:02 , Masato Yamanishi myama...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-113: Modification in the IPv4 eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Robert Hudson
In addition to Owen's point, I also wonder about this: AND - advertise the prefixes within 6 months Is there a process in place which actually checks this? If so, will APNIC actually pull back /24 allocations which aren't advertised within 6 months? If not - why even include it? Regards,

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-113: Modification in the IPv4 eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Skeeve Stevens
How do you see needs basis going away in this wording? ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service ske...@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/v4now ; http://twitter.com/networkceoau

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-113: Modification in the IPv4 eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Owen DeLong
+1… I’m with Dean… Still opposed. Let’s keep needs basis in place, please. I’m all for removing the requirement to multihome, but not the requirement to actually need the addresses for an operational network. Owen On Mar 4, 2015, at 16:09 , Dean Pemberton d...@internetnz.net.nz wrote:

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Owen DeLong
I don’t feel the need for every use case to be set in stone, but I do think that there are better ways to address this. Is there any reason that adding the following to the existing policy would be unacceptable to you? … or an organization which has received an assignment or allocation from

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Dean Pemberton
That's actually getting closer to something I could support On Thursday, 5 March 2015, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: I don’t feel the need for every use case to be set in stone, but I do think that there are better ways to address this. Is there any reason that adding the following to

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Owen, It just feels like nitpicking and moving chairs around. I actually trust the Secretariat to do the right thing when allocating resources. We're also talking about a resource where there are over 4.1 billion ASN's still available... not that it should be a justification to wastage, but it

[sig-policy] New version of prop-113: Modification in the IPv4 eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Masato Yamanishi
Dear SIG members A new version of the proposal “prop-113: Modification in the IPv4 eligibility criteria has been sent to the Policy SIG for review. Information about earlier versions is available from: http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-113 You are encouraged to express your views on

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-113: Modification in the IPv4 eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Owen DeLong
Simply advertising a network doesn’t mean you need the addresses or that you’re actually using them in an operational network. It just means you typed in a BGP anchor statement. Owen On Mar 4, 2015, at 16:44 , Skeeve Stevens ske...@v4now.com wrote: How do you see needs basis going away in

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Yes, because it seems to make more sense to you to waste everyones time discussing something that could be sorted out as much as possible on the list before we take it to the SIG. Good one. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service ske...@v4now.com ;

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Owen, That is almost, but not quite ok. There may be cases where you have the same reason to do this for a second or third ASN. Say I need one for an isolated network in HK, or NZ, or KH with a completely separate routing policy? The same criteria should apply for the first and 10th?

Re: [sig-policy] New version of prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-03-04 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Good question David. Secretariat... can we have those numbers? ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Senior IP Broker* *v4Now - *an eintellego Networks service ske...@v4now.com ; www.v4now.com Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/v4now ;

[sig-policy] Updated Text - Prop-114v003

2015-03-04 Thread Skeeve Stevens
In this text, the suggested guidelines have been removed to be replaced with: - you have been previous allocated provider independent address space by APNIC AND - intend to multi-home in the future This policy can be reviewed on an annual basis for any impact on the number of

[sig-policy] Updated Text - Prop-113v003

2015-03-04 Thread Skeeve Stevens
The only addition to this text was the clarification of demonstrated need. It is not being removed and will remain in place as below. Organizations requesting a delegation under these terms must demonstrate that they are able to use 25% of the requested addresses immediately and 50% within one