Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Amit Varma
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Sumant Srivathsan suma...@gmail.comwrote: Isn't it just easier on system resources to link users to a primary copy of uploaded content, rather than make multiple copies for each user with whom it is shared? I think this is more with regards to private

Re: [silk] Ballmer on innovation and the current economic scenario

2009-02-17 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:04 AM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I seem to remember that they were trying their best to suppress the idea as best as they could around ten years ago. History is the palimpsest of victors. Cheeni

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Amit Varma wrote, [on 2/17/2009 1:48 PM]: I think this is more with regards to private messages and wall messages than anything else. If you send me 100 messages (or emails) on Facebook, and then delete your account, the messages you sent me should still stay in my inbox. This is the case

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Amit Varma
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Even assuming infinite goodwill on the part of facebook (more importantly, the current incarnation thereof) I think that what the ToS *gives them the freedom to do* is alarming. I'm not assuming infinite goodwill, I'm

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread ashok _
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Amit Varma wrote: I'm not assuming infinite goodwill, I'm assuming fear of the market. In the competitive market that Facebook is in, if they fuck around with user content -- like, say, use pics without permission -- the market will screw them over. To mess

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread मॊिहत
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Amit Varma amitbl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not assuming infinite goodwill, I'm assuming fear of the market. In the competitive market that Facebook is in, if they fuck around with user content -- like, say, use pics without permission -- the market will screw

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread मॊिहत
Also check out http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/14/AR2007041401444_pf.html And I'm sorry if i came across as rude in the previous mail. I just hung up on a telemarketer (the 4th in the day) who insist on calling me despite my name being on DNC list. (And inspite of my

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 02:14:11PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Even assuming infinite goodwill on the part of facebook (more importantly, the current incarnation thereof) I think that what the ToS *gives them the freedom to do* is alarming. The mystic phrase fiduciary Anyone who has been

[silk] [New Member]

2009-02-17 Thread Jai Iyer
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Via a new member of this list, Udhay's rather subtle hint tells me an introduction is in order. Here goes. Humour me. _ I worked at Sun (the computer company) in the Solaris division for seven years.Currently (post

Re: [silk] [New Member]

2009-02-17 Thread chetan
Heh, Jai didn't mention that most girls in school had a crush over wunderkid (and probably still do). Welcome aboard! Chetan --Original Message-- From: Jai Iyer Sender: silklist-bounces+chetan=nagster@lists.hserus.net To: silklist@lists.hserus.net ReplyTo: silklist@lists.hserus.net

Re: [silk] [New Member]

2009-02-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jai Iyer iyer@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Via a new member of this list, Udhay's rather subtle hint tells me an introduction is in order. Here goes. Humour me. _ I worked at Sun

Re: [silk] [New Member]

2009-02-17 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jai Iyer iyer@gmail.com wrote: Known super powers include amazing autorickshaw-fu. Can you please, please, please teach me? Welcome to Silk. C -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravages http://www.linkedin.com/in/ravages http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/

Re: [silk] [New Member]

2009-02-17 Thread Biju Chacko
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jai Iyer iyer@gmail.com wrote: Known super powers include amazing autorickshaw-fu. Can you get rid of 'em? -Jai Iyer http://iyermatter.wordpress.com Welcome.

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Amit Varma
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mohit (मॊिहत) mohitmo...@gmail.com wrote: Also, having been a part of the corporate world for 11 years, and having dealt with companies of every hue, I'm sorry to say that I do not accept the notion that the invisible hand of the market will always result in

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Amit Varma wrote, [on 2/17/2009 6:04 PM]: My point wasn't that these ToS are justifiable, but that the outrage against it seemed to imply that the Facebook guys acted out of malice, while all that really happened was some clumsy phrasing from their lawyer. Facebook is not some evil empire

Re: [silk] Ballmer on innovation and the current economic scenario

2009-02-17 Thread Thaths
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:04 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is nit picking in the larger scheme of things that are mentioned in the talk but I like the way he sneaks in the idea that Microsoft drove the thin computer revolution. I seem to remember that they

Re: [silk] Ballmer on innovation and the current economic scenario

2009-02-17 Thread gabin kattukaran
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:04 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is nit picking in the larger scheme of things that are mentioned in the talk but I like the way he sneaks in the idea that Microsoft

Re: [silk] [New Member]

2009-02-17 Thread Divya Manian
On 2/17/09 3:00 AM, Jai Iyer iyer@gmail.com wrote: Known super powers include amazing autorickshaw-fu. -Jai Iyer http://iyermatter.wordpress.com Wow, the cartoons on the blog are amazing! Does autorickshaw-fu involve knowing the magic of haggling with auto drivers?

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Lawnun
Thanks for posting that, Thaths. It's helpful sometimes to see a comparison with other ToS'es. In this case, I'm seriously curious what the hell FB's lawyers were thinking when they crafted this nonsense. As it states in the TOS: You hereby grant Facebook an irrevocable, perpetual,

Re: [silk] [New Member]

2009-02-17 Thread Ashwin N
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:00, Jai Iyer iyer@gmail.com wrote: Udhay's rather subtle hint tells me an introduction is in order. Here goes. Humour me. A warm welcome to the list. The cartoons on your blog are very hilarious. You may have lost the memory super-power, but you definitely have

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Biju Chacko
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Possible (also plausible), and I am as much a fan of Hanlon and Ockham as you are. But I also believe that Murphy trumps the abovementioned gentry, hence my alarm. To nit-pick: I believe the most common spelling is Occam.

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Feb 17, 2009, at 9:45 PM, Biju Chacko wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: Possible (also plausible), and I am as much a fan of Hanlon and Ockham as you are. But I also believe that Murphy trumps the abovementioned gentry, hence my alarm. To

Re: [silk] Facebook's New Terms Of Service: We Can Do Anything We Want With Your Content. Forever.

2009-02-17 Thread Lawnun
Occam or Ockham, either way, it appears that the masses of concerned citizens have won: From the FB Blog: Update on Terms Share by Mark Zuckerberg http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=4ref=blog Today at 1:17am A couple of weeks ago, we revised our terms of use hoping to clarify some parts