Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-23 Thread Venkatesh Hariharan
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:10 PM, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thought the worst one (probably among the worst films, ever...) was the joel schumacer one with george clooney and arnold schwarzenegger ... 'batman and robin' ... ? But Kim Basinger was dishy as Vicky Vale :-) Ooh la

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-23 Thread Sumant Srivathsan
Burton invented a background for the Joker (Jack Napier the small time gangster falls into vat of chemicals and emerges as disfigured, insane, and somehow more powerful villain, the Joker.) which has no basis in any of the comics *The Killing Joke* (Alan Moore, Brian Bolland) tells the

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-23 Thread Sumant Srivathsan
Wrong movie, though. Kim Basinger was Vicki Vale in Tim Burton's *Batman*. Clooney, Arnie and co. were disastrous in *Batman and Robin*, and not even Uma Thurman and Alicia Silverstone could save that mess. But Kim Basinger was dishy as Vicky Vale :-) Ooh la la... -- Sumant Srivathsan

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-23 Thread Sumant Srivathsan
What's with Batman's voice? He's all normal when he's Bruce Wayne but once he's in the mask his hissing voice is just so crappy! It's part of the 'Batman rules'. The weird voice is to make sure nobody can use it to find out that he's Bruce Wayne. That said, it's a bloody awful voice. But

[silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Divya Sampath
No explicit spoilers, but... Chris Nolan's Joker is a nihilist! Which was pretty damn cool. In a scary and horrifying way. Heath Ledger was good enough to erase the Jack Nicholson Joker trauma, but am I the only one wishing Gary Oldman was playing a bad guy rather than the sea-green

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Sumant Srivathsan
Chris Nolan's Joker is a nihilist! Which was pretty damn cool. In a scary and horrifying way. I just thought he was a sociopath. Or am I just splitting hairs? :) Heath Ledger was good enough to erase the Jack Nicholson Joker trauma, but am I the only one wishing Gary Oldman was playing a

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Divya Sampath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No explicit spoilers, but... Chris Nolan's Joker is a nihilist! Which was pretty damn cool. In a scary and horrifying way. What's scary and horrifying? The concept of nihilism, or its portrayal? Cheeni

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread ashok _
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Divya Sampath wrote: Heath Ledger was good enough to erase the Jack Nicholson Joker trauma, haven't seen this one yet, but i thought jack nicholson was excellent as the joker, given the entirely different style of direction and the period... though i still

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Tue, 7/22/08, Sumant Srivathsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Nolan's Joker is a nihilist! Which was pretty damn cool. In a scary and horrifying way. I just thought he was a sociopath. Or am I just splitting hairs? :) A sociopathic nihilist, sure :D Don't want to spoil the

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Divya Sampath
--- On Tue, 7/22/08, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's scary and horrifying? The concept of nihilism, or its portrayal? The fact that the Joker makes the practical application of his brand of nihilism look cool. I can't say more without ruining the plot. cheers, Divya

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Sumant Srivathsan
I beg to differ. Burton's Batman universe was far less comic-book influnced than Chris Nolan's is. All of Burton's characters and even the universe were significantly different from the comic book. They weren't, really. If you dig into the early Batman comics, you'll find that both Bruce

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread ashok _
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Divya Sampath wrote: Jim Carrey playing the Riddler... Gah. I thought he was adequate. The movie was bloody awful, though. Traumatic. It really was, wasn't it? Though Val Kilmer wasn't bad as the Batman. i thought the worst one (probably among the worst

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Divya Sampath
1970s and early 80s - from stories like 'The Secret of the Waiting Graves', which came out in 1970, introducing Ra's Al Ghul, to visual elements like the long flowing cape and thin pointy ears on the hood. Bit of a mistake there - didn't mean to suggest that Ra's Al Ghul was introduced in

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Bruce Metcalf
Divya Sampath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No explicit spoilers, but... I was disappointed by the film. Of course, I saw it with several disadvantages; I went to the theater hoping to view Mama Mia! with friends, but it was sold out and Dark Knight was the available alternative -- not

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Divya Sampath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Nolan's Joker is a nihilist! Which was pretty damn cool. In a scary and horrifying way. Heath Ledger was good enough to erase the Jack Nicholson Joker trauma, but am I the only one wishing Gary Oldman was

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:51:52AM -0700, Thaths wrote: I wonder if _Dark Knight_ will age well. We are viewing Nicholson's Joker with 20-year hindsight while Ledger's death is still fresh in many people's mind. It's interesting how strongly the medium resonates with some people here. I've

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Bruce Metcalf [22/07/08 13:38 -0400]: Unlike some of the earlier films, the art direction lacked style. Gotham City looked like it was shot in the same urban neighborhoods as Streets of San Francisco? without the hills. It seemed a city without substance, and even the seedy docks were neat and

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Two reactions completely unrelated to the subject of the thread, one possibly a typo (thinko?) and the other a free association: Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote, [on Wednesday 23 July 2008 08:22 AM]: Christian Bale isnt my first choice for Batman. Michael Caine is always a pleasure to watch,

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Udhay Shankar N [23/07/08 10:10 +0530]: How does one lick one's tongue? This sounds most intriguing. My mistake. Lips. And darting his tongue out. Seen a snake? But those are all - if I dont miss my guess - fairly classic symptoms of some nervous disorder, parkinsons, tourettes .. forgot

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Ashwin N
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 02:27, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting how strongly the medium resonates with some people here. I've only been exposed after the age of 14, and I found them beyond cheesy, and unrealistic (physics completely wrong, situations completely

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Ashwin N
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:52, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Batman was way too wooden (or maybe titanium dipped carbon fiber) to react humanly to it. Strong silent figures can be overdone, and Christian Bale's batman does suffer from that, a lot. What's with Batman's voice?

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Madhu Menon
What's with Batman's voice? He's all normal when he's Bruce Wayne but once he's in the mask his hissing voice is just so crappy! Why so serious? :P Actually, it bugged the living hell out of me. I guess he's no Kevin Conroy, the living embodiment of Batman's voice. The movie needed to

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Divya Manian
On 7/23/08 1:33 PM, Ashwin N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only Batman I knew was from the TV series too. This must be 10 years ago or earlier, I had nothing better to watch at that time slot and so I must've seen every single episode, a few times over. (Star Plus in India used to air it daily

Re: [silk] Did anyone else see the Dark Knight?

2008-07-22 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Madhu Menon [23/07/08 11:11 +0530]: Actually, it bugged the living hell out of me. I guess he's no Kevin Conroy, the living embodiment of Batman's voice. Justice League of America is the definitive. I wish we had Conroy doing voiceover for Bale.