Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-30 Thread Heather Madrone
On 8/28/13 9:26 AM August 28, 2013, Thaths wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't improving one's life just a collection of individual life hacks? Some improvements can be

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread SS
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 12:37 +0530, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: Perhaps I've just met the wrong demographic among those who read self-help books, but most of those who have pushed such books at me were fairly successful - and I wasn't aware of any failure that prompted them to read such

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 27 August 2013 19:02, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: Why the dichotomy? Are you suggesting that personality/character is not trainable/malleable? Trainable - perhaps Malleable - absolutely Kiran

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 28 August 2013 18:19, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting observation and here is my explanation The person/s who pushed such books were fairly successful in your eyes, but they might feel that they are not successful enough. I have seen this among several colleagues of mine, who

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Thaths
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 August 2013 19:02, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: Why the dichotomy? Are you suggesting that personality/character is not trainable/malleable? Trainable - perhaps Malleable - absolutely I still

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Charles Haynes
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't improving one's life just a collection of individual life hacks? Some improvements can be achieved by a sequence of locally optimal smaller improvements, but not all. Which is to say, you may not be able to hack your way

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Which is to say, you may not be able to hack your way to happiness. I have personal experience that is very much to the contrary but I'm just a data point and not a representative sample size.

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Thaths
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't improving one's life just a collection of individual life hacks? Some improvements can be achieved by a sequence of locally optimal smaller

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Charles Haynes
When I say A hill climbing algorithm does not always find a global maximum and you reply But mine did! I have three replies. 1) That does not refute the original assertion (as I'm sure you know) 2) How do you know? (That you found the global maximum) 3) If the plural of anecdote is not data, then

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Charles Haynes
Well for one reason, you may have the problem that all hill climbing algorithms are subject to. You may get stuck on a local maximum where every small change (hack) actually makes things worse. In which case you either have to completely change where you're starting from, or you have to use an

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-27 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I've just met the wrong demographic among those who read self-help books, but most of those who have pushed such books at me were fairly successful - and I wasn't aware of any failure that prompted

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-27 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:45 AM, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote: This can happen even without mollycoddling/spoiling (the autopilot). A child can simply do well in school and college because his interests and ability happen to coincide with the direction his parents want him, and encourage him,

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-27 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 27 August 2013 15:53, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: I can't speak to your experience of course, but it's my experience that everyone was a stumbling beginner once upon a time. I wasn't denying this. It might be impossible to believe that a good cook was ever a novice, but

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-27 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote: Technical books to increase knowledge and hone skills are not in the same category as self-help, which deal in subjects usually ascribed to one's personality or character. Why the dichotomy? Are you

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-26 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 23 August 2013 23:23, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: I began to wonder if hipster life hacking was different from self-help. Maybe the difference between the two is socio-economic? Are you saying being

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-24 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
I agree parenting support and the money cushions rich kids from life's problems. I used those three as examples of grown up problems that hit successful people in their thirties these days. The college admission, the career, the marriage all happen more or less on auto pilot if you merely turn

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-24 Thread SS
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 12:38 +0530, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: I agree parenting support and the money cushions rich kids from life's problems. I used those three as examples of grown up problems that hit successful people in their thirties these days. The college admission, the career, the

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-23 Thread Sriram Karra
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 20, 2013 8:48 PM, Sriram Karra karra@gmail.com wrote: I was asking if GTD can be considered self help. The above strongly indicates your question is really something else. If not why do you care one way or

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-23 Thread Sriram Karra
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: The above strongly indicates your question is really something else. If not why do you care one way or the other? So, Thaths, what is your *real*

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-23 Thread Thaths
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Sriram Karra karra@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 20, 2013 8:48 PM, Sriram Karra karra@gmail.com wrote: I was asking if GTD can be considered self help. The above strongly

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-23 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: I began to wonder if hipster life hacking was different from self-help. Maybe the difference between the two is socio-economic? Are you saying being socio-economically backward might help in preventing the development of a large

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-23 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have a particular view on the self-help genre? My view is that judging by the fact that platforms in India are littered with pirated copies of these books, there must be a large leadership. And I guess you meant

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-23 Thread Thaths
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have a particular view on the self-help genre? My view is that judging by the fact that platforms in India are littered with pirated copies

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-23 Thread SS
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 23:23 +0530, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: Privileged kids don't usually face serious hardship that shatters their confidence until their start-up fails, their marriage tanks or their addictive habits get the better of them. While I agree with the general point you make

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Deepak Misra
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot remember seeing this thread in Silk when it first happened. I stumbled upon this corpse when I was searching for something else. That said, I had a followup question. What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused tip-sharing mailing list? Is they in the same genre? Or a different one?Are

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Deepak Misra
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra you asking about the efficacy of say GTD or a mailing list dealing with GTD? I was asking if GTD can be considered self help. Thaths GTD would be found in the self help section

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Sriram Karra
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Thaths
On Aug 20, 2013 8:48 PM, Sriram Karra karra@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: The above strongly indicates your question is really something else. If not why do you care one way or the other? So, Thaths, what is your *real* question? I don't understand. Can you elaborate? Sounds like Karra is

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-19 Thread Thaths
I cannot remember seeing this thread in Silk when it first happened. I stumbled upon this corpse when I was searching for something else. That said, I had a followup question. On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote: Can't remember why, but

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-19 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
, totally may not work for you. --srs (htc one x) - Reply message - From: Thaths tha...@gmail.com To: silklist@lists.hserus.net silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] On self-improvement Date: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:51 AM I cannot remember seeing this thread in Silk when it first happened

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-19 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused tip-sharing mailing list? Is they in the same genre? Or a different one? IMO, blogs like lifehacker are task-focused rather than trying to improve the

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-19 Thread Mahesh Murthy
I quite like LifeHacker. A little less for the GTD-type info and lot more for the smarter way to hack / use tech stuff. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot remember seeing this thread in Silk when it first happened. I stumbled upon this corpse when I was

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-19 Thread Thaths
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused tip-sharing mailing list? Is they in the same genre? Or a different one? IMO,

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-19 Thread Mahesh Murthy
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused tip-sharing

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-13 Thread Raj Shekhar
Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: Yeah, and could you please start that thread, kiran? Can't wait to see the drift. Here goes... Can't remember why, but somewhere in between the half intoxicated banter, the conversation shifted to self-improvement books a la Stephen Covey and his ilk. I read De

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-13 Thread Ravi Bellur
Self-improvement, to some degree, requires self-awareness. Self-help books try to bake some of this in, but I think ultimately having the ability to see your automatic thoughts and understand their motivators. I think this is the realm of cognitive psychology, and I think they use many tools from

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-13 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: provide strategy on self-improvement, rather than just glorifying the end-product (which fashion magazines do). When I studied object oriented programming a lng time ago, what fascinated me was how much common sense sells. Almost all the self-improvement

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-12 Thread Supriya Nair
In fashion magazines, self-improvement is about products, as well as strategies. You could argue that sex quizzes and tips on how to acquire a 16-inch waist form basic text-based methods that offer enlightenment/improvement on consumption, much like a book with a six-step process for success - in

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-12 Thread Aadisht Khanna
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.netwrote: 'Team building' sessions that involve silly games at 'retreats' when everybody would much rather be socializing over beer and food is another. Fortunately whenever the team 'retreat' was organised by the team

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
in an AA ad. srs -Original Message- From: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net [mailto:silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Aadisht Khanna Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:45 PM To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] On self

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-12 Thread Aadisht Khanna
It would be interesting to see where a self-improvement book, or series, places in a corporate ecosystem. Does it confirm or contradict corporate values [such as broad consensus can make them]? What else does it induce you to buy? Would an organisation distribute copies of Covey among

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Aadisht Khanna [12/04/09 19:50 +0530]: Fortunately whenever the team 'retreat' was organised by the team itself, food and beer was the norm. Anything organised by HR was the silly games. But I found those fun too. Textbook learning and exams were usually done by the risk and compliance

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-12 Thread Radhika, Y.
I don't find effectiveness sufficient incentive to look at self-help books - I always imagine an epitaph for myself saying she was effective and shudder with horror;-))) On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.netwrote: Aadisht Khanna [12/04/09 19:50 +0530]:

[silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-11 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
Yeah, and could you please start that thread, kiran? Can't wait to see the drift. Here goes... Can't remember why, but somewhere in between the half intoxicated banter, the conversation shifted to self-improvement books a la Stephen Covey and his ilk. I typically stay away from them with the

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-11 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote: I typically stay away from them with the same amount of revulsion some feminists have for balemia-inducing fashion magazines. Since I've not read any of them, I may not be the best judge - but a title like

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2009-04-11 Thread ss
Top post. Isn't Hindu (whatever that means) philosophy all about self improvement? shiv (Sent from my desktop that occupies half a room, weighs 300 Kg and consumes 1500 watts) On Saturday 11 Apr 2009 12:45:11 pm Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: Yeah, and could you please start that thread,