Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-09-05 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Indrajit Gupta wrote: [ on 05:57 AM 9/5/2007 ] A note of warning: what they didn't finally manage to engineer out, unfortunately, was the divide between oligarch and democrat. The US scuppered itself in about 300 years; the Athenians, not having the benefit of previous example, took rather

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-09-04 Thread Indrajit Gupta
It might amuse you, Shiv, to read up on the Athenian political organisation in the 5th century BC. In view of what you've written here. You might find that your thoughts are in the same grooves as the Athenian political reformers, when they sought, rather successfully, one might add, to

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-09-04 Thread Charles Haynes
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Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-09-04 Thread Gautam John
On 9/5/07, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This made me laugh. Are you aware of what, in current massage parlor slang, a massage with a happy ending is? More Yahoo's fault than Indrajit's, what? But still, funny indeed.

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-09-04 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, Indrajit Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Once upon a time there was 1 GB storage in your inbox. Click here for happy ending. This made me laugh. Are you aware of what, in current massage parlor slang, a

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-26 Thread shiv sastry
On Sunday 26 Aug 2007 11:21 pm, Ingrid wrote: My experience ''at the grassroots certainly confirms that caste (and gender) biases are a significant barrier to development. I've just returned from southern Tamil Nadu where caste atrocities are a daily affair. Have witnessed much the same in

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-26 Thread Biju Chacko
On 8/27/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps top-down imposition of something or the other is is never going to work. Neither is the removal of caste barriers near the top (by mixing and churning), because caste layers exist independently at every depth. Mixing at the top has no

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-25 Thread shiv sastry
On Saturday 25 Aug 2007 3:25 pm, Indrajit Gupta wrote: Would it be unfair to postulate China, and would that indicate that vis-a-vis China, we ourselves have a similar nation-wide inferiority complex?   I'm obviously not suggesting that either there is a good foundation for such a complex,

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-25 Thread shiv sastry
On Thursday 23 Aug 2007 3:53 pm, ashok _ wrote: I wonder if you have seen the Jinnah biopic movie (with christoper count dracula lee as Jinnah.) ? While the Gandhi film essentially focuses on Gandhi vs the British, the Jinnah film is about a freedom movement where the struggle is on two

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-25 Thread Ingrid
On 8/25/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Classic parameters that are considered good seem to be low infant and maternal mortality, high literacy, high per capita income, low GINI coefficient, low unemployment rates and a whole lot of similar parameters that can be dug up in any study

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-25 Thread shiv sastry
On Saturday 25 Aug 2007 11:39 pm, Ingrid wrote: What is it you think they are doing differently? The standard excuse I hear quoted is that their relatively small size makes it easier. But no Indian state, even the smallest, can claim to have done as well. Interesting question that will spur me

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-23 Thread shiv sastry
On Thursday 23 Aug 2007 6:21 am, Indrajit Gupta wrote: Wouldn't any Indian author asked to write on Pakistan at 60 tend to compare Pakistan with his own country? No IG. Not necessarily. At least, I don't think so. shiv

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-23 Thread ashok _
On 8/23/07, shiv sastry wrote: On Thursday 23 Aug 2007 6:21 am, Indrajit Gupta wrote: Wouldn't any Indian author asked to write on Pakistan at 60 tend to compare Pakistan with his own country? No IG. Not necessarily. At least, I don't think so. shiv I think it would be quite

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-23 Thread shiv sastry
As always - my views are my own. My specific answer to IG's question Wouldn't ANY Indian author asked to write on Pakistan at 60 tend to compare Pakistan with his own country? Note the operative word any in the question. I believe that if I am asked to write about Pakistan, i would write about

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-23 Thread shiv sastry
On Thursday 23 Aug 2007 8:27 pm, shiv sastry wrote: I believe this continuous clubbing and comparison with India either causes needless insecurity, or a false sense of security for Pakistanis depending on what parameter is being compared. Posting a convenient example of an article that

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-22 Thread Indrajit Gupta
Shiv, The Oflag only allows occasional access to Silk and others, so I read this a few minutes ago. Aren't you complicating things a bit? Wouldn't any Indian author asked to write on Pakistan at 60 tend to compare Pakistan with his own country? Why would Rafiq be an exception?

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-19 Thread shiv sastry
On Thursday 16 Aug 2007 11:03 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote: http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_6637082 Here is an article from the Financial Times, which attempts to list the equal-equal between India and Pakistan. The author's name is not mentioned but I am wiling to bet Rs 1000 to none that

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-17 Thread shiv sastry
On Friday 17 Aug 2007 10:09 am, Udhay Shankar N wrote: What I was hoping to see were your thoughts on this: This suggests that Pakistan is only a crucial freedom step away from success. The statement that immediately precedes this is Pakistan, meanwhile, has moved slowly on freedom. The state

[silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-16 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Forwarded from another list. I met Dr Dossani a few years ago when he was in India to study outsourcing [1] and he seems a smart cookie. I find the last paragraph of this article the most provocative -- This suggests that Pakistan is only a crucial freedom step away from success. Comments?

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-16 Thread Udhay Shankar N
shiv sastry wrote: [ on 06:46 AM 8/17/2007 ] Sadly (and I insert the word sadly at the start only because you know the author) the article suffers from India-itis. Everything is compared with India. If India does worse it means good for Pakistan, if India does better it - the difference is

Re: [silk] Pakistan at 60 from Rafiq Dossani

2007-08-16 Thread Udhay Shankar N
[whoops, clicked 'send' too early last time] shiv sastry wrote: [ on 06:46 AM 8/17/2007 ] Sadly (and I insert the word sadly at the start only because you know the author) the article suffers from India-itis. Everything is compared with India. If India does worse it means good for Pakistan,