Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-16 Thread Heather Madrone
Shortly after my last post on this topic, I spent some time reading the notices on the bulletin board outside the market in our little mountain town. One of them asked if people in remote mountain areas are tired of slow dial-up Internet speeds. The county has set up a Line Extension Fund to

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I dont see much of it referenced in the current debate. At least no rational economic statements as opposed to noisy activists with a distaste for big telecom. Let me read through those papers before I comment further. Thanks for pointing me to them On 15 March 2014 11:20:52 am Pranesh

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-05 Thread Heather Madrone
I'm addressing some of the links Suresh forwarded to the list. Bennett: If we’ve learned anything at all about from the history of Internet-as-utility, it’s that this strained analogy only applies in cases where there is no existing infrastructure, and probably ends best when a

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-05 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Having, in India, started off with an internet which was exclusively a government monopoly and only turned over to private enterprise some years down the line, I would say that making it a utility is something that most people here, given the local conditions, would resent, Innovations were

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-05 Thread Heather Madrone
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Having, in India, started off with an internet which was exclusively a government monopoly and only turned over to private enterprise some years down the line, I would say that making it a utility is something that most people here, given the local conditions,

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-05 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Municipal wifi has a long and checkered history .. And city governments aren't the best funded organizations on the planet is the trouble. Bell labs innovation was pre internet but then Unix did originate there. The internet isn't all networks. (And by the way see

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-04 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
That is probably the most, to use the same language, bs point of them all. Mostly parroted by a school of net neutrality people (Susan Crawford, Tim Wu etc) that really should know better, but that doesn't quite stop them. Come to think of it, they too like to use overblown and soundbite laden

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-04 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
This one too http://bennett.com/blog/2008/11/just-another-utility/ --srs (iPad) On 05-Mar-2014, at 8:55, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote: That is probably the most, to use the same language, bs point of them all. Mostly parroted by a school of net neutrality people (Susan

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-04 Thread Cory Doctorow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I pretty much totally agree. The triumverate of Internet rules we need are: * Net Neutrality (either by forcing line-sharing like in the UK, or through direct regulation of carriers on the basis that they receive a massive public subsidy in the

Re: [silk] Fwd: [IP] Re The internet is fucked

2014-03-04 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Issues with reporting bugs is something that is a kind of side effect of the DMCA - but the vuln report community has already split into trusted / vetted groups where a lot more takes place than in public groups like full disclosure. For that part I have no dispute with you at all. Neither