Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[harry]

On 6 September 2017 at 19:06, Cindy Gallop  wrote:

> You may find this interview I gave to Summerill & Bishop on why it's so
> important nowadays that parents talk to their children early about sex and
> about porn, interesting/helpful (I explain exactly how to have the
> conversation with your kids about porn).
>
> https://www.summerillandbishop.com/blogs/meanderings/unchartered-territory
>
> Obviously, this is why my startup MakeLoveNotPorn exists - to help parents,
> and everyone, recognize the concept of and promote good sexual values and
> good sexual behavior. I spoke to The Swaddle about how important this is in
> India:
>
> https://theswaddle.com/cindy-gallop-sexual-values/
>
>
>
I really liked your interview. But reading it also tells me how far far
away indian society (at least the bits i am familiar with) is from even
contemplating such a discussion.

My son's school wanted to introduce a programme on sexual awareness, with a
particular emphasis on sexual abuse and making the kids aware about it and
how to talk about it. So they had an introductory session where the
programme coordinators made a presentation to the parents . The
presentation was actually very good, but I detected varying levels of
hostility from different parents. The programme never started, and when I
asked the school what had happened, they said a majority of the parents
objected to the programme. I did notice that the parents who tended to be
more open minded in such discussions were the ones who had ventured outside
their cultural comfort zones...

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Charles Haynes]

I've got a number (three is a number, right?) of friends here in Australia
that are women working as producers of feminist porn.

Certainly there is a huge amount of problematic media that promulgate
unhealthy attitudes about women, including in porn, but I would say that's
a systematic and structural societal problem as opposed to something
inherent to pornography.

-- Charles

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 at 23:37 Cindy Gallop  wrote:

> You may find this interview I gave to Summerill & Bishop on why it's so
> important nowadays that parents talk to their children early about sex and
> about porn, interesting/helpful (I explain exactly how to have the
> conversation with your kids about porn).
>
> https://www.summerillandbishop.com/blogs/meanderings/unchartered-territory
>
> Obviously, this is why my startup MakeLoveNotPorn exists - to help parents,
> and everyone, recognize the concept of and promote good sexual values and
> good sexual behavior. I spoke to The Swaddle about how important this is in
> India:
>
> https://theswaddle.com/cindy-gallop-sexual-values/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Nikhil Mehra 
> wrote:
>
> > On 6 September 2017 at 13:25, Madhu Menon  wrote:
> >
> > > On 5 September 2017 at 07:11, Heather Madrone 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm sex-positive, but, by and large, porn-negative, *because women in
> > > porn
> > > > almost never look like they're enjoying it*. If porn celebrated
> female
> > > > ecstasy rather than female humiliation and degradation, I'd be bang
> > > behind
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > Oh, this isn't the 90s. There's plenty of the kind of stuff you want.
> > > There are even subreddits on Reddit for it. ( /r/passionx and
> > > /r/chickflixxx for the curious.)
> > >
> > >
> > Speaking of which, there's apparently a subreddit on Dhanushasana sex.
> Now
> > to me it seems like physical abuse of women being sanitized through a
> > connection to yoga.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nikhil Mehra
> > Advocate
> > B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)
> >
> > Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
> > E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
> > +91 98107 76904 <+91%2098107%2076904>
> > nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
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>
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> 
>

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Cindy Gallop]

You may find this interview I gave to Summerill & Bishop on why it's so
important nowadays that parents talk to their children early about sex and
about porn, interesting/helpful (I explain exactly how to have the
conversation with your kids about porn).

https://www.summerillandbishop.com/blogs/meanderings/unchartered-territory

Obviously, this is why my startup MakeLoveNotPorn exists - to help parents,
and everyone, recognize the concept of and promote good sexual values and
good sexual behavior. I spoke to The Swaddle about how important this is in
India:

https://theswaddle.com/cindy-gallop-sexual-values/



On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Nikhil Mehra 
wrote:

> On 6 September 2017 at 13:25, Madhu Menon  wrote:
>
> > On 5 September 2017 at 07:11, Heather Madrone 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sex-positive, but, by and large, porn-negative, *because women in
> > porn
> > > almost never look like they're enjoying it*. If porn celebrated female
> > > ecstasy rather than female humiliation and degradation, I'd be bang
> > behind
> > > it.
> >
> > Oh, this isn't the 90s. There's plenty of the kind of stuff you want.
> > There are even subreddits on Reddit for it. ( /r/passionx and
> > /r/chickflixxx for the curious.)
> >
> >
> Speaking of which, there's apparently a subreddit on Dhanushasana sex. Now
> to me it seems like physical abuse of women being sanitized through a
> connection to yoga.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nikhil Mehra
> Advocate
> B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)
>
> Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
> E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
> +91 98107 76904
> nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com
>



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Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Nikhil Mehra]

On 6 September 2017 at 13:25, Madhu Menon  wrote:

> On 5 September 2017 at 07:11, Heather Madrone  wrote:
>
> > I'm sex-positive, but, by and large, porn-negative, *because women in
> porn
> > almost never look like they're enjoying it*. If porn celebrated female
> > ecstasy rather than female humiliation and degradation, I'd be bang
> behind
> > it.
>
> Oh, this isn't the 90s. There's plenty of the kind of stuff you want.
> There are even subreddits on Reddit for it. ( /r/passionx and
> /r/chickflixxx for the curious.)
>
>
Speaking of which, there's apparently a subreddit on Dhanushasana sex. Now
to me it seems like physical abuse of women being sanitized through a
connection to yoga.


Regards,

Nikhil Mehra
Advocate
B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)

Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
+91 98107 76904
nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Madhu Menon]

On 5 September 2017 at 07:11, Heather Madrone  wrote:

> I'm sex-positive, but, by and large, porn-negative, *because women in porn
> almost never look like they're enjoying it*. If porn celebrated female
> ecstasy rather than female humiliation and degradation, I'd be bang behind
> it.

Oh, this isn't the 90s. There's plenty of the kind of stuff you want.
There are even subreddits on Reddit for it. ( /r/passionx and
/r/chickflixxx for the curious.)

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Bharath Chari]

On 09/05/2017 12:27 AM, Alaric Snell-Pym wrote:


I suspect that porn viewing causes harm through misinformation, but not
through some kind of "can't get aroused by real human beings"
psychological damage. Although the misinformation may lead to
psychological damage...

Is porn addiction really a thing? If so, is porn the problem, or is this
just something a person with a compulsion issue has latched onto in some
cases, and they'd have latched onto something else otherwise?

I think one must be careful here. Suppose studies found:

  * People get addicted to porn
  * People who view porn lots have a higher than usual level of mental
illness, particularly sexual dysfunction

...you can't blame porn based on *just* that (although that situation
would justify doing further studies), because it may be that people with
pre-existing psychological issues are more attracted to porn than others.

I probably sound like a porn apologist... I'm not. I think the idea of
consenting adults sharing pictures/videos of themselves shagging, or
factual or fictional written accounts, etc, for their own or their
recipient's titilation or for money, is perfectly fine and even
laudable. But the porn *industry* is horrible, exploitative, and is
spreading disinformation.

As a parent: We're very open with our children about sex, with a view to
pre-educating them before they get misinformed by their peers or the
Internet...

ABS

--
Alaric Snell-Pym
http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/alaric/

Just search and replace "porn" with "social networks" in the above.  And 
sex(ual) with "sociall".


Bharath

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Nikhil Mehra]

What I did find interesting in that piece I linked to are that the quoted
comments speak of a surge in ED in younger men in this generation. Is this
an observed scientific fact? And any cause attributed to it?

Nikhil Mehra
Advocate
B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)

Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
+91 98107 76904
nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com


On 5 September 2017 at 23:42, Nikhil Mehra 
wrote:

>
> On 5 September 2017 at 03:58, Charles Haynes 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue., 5 Sep. 2017, 3:39 am Heather Madrone 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Charles Haynes wrote:
>> > > Given that "porn addiction" isn't any kind of scientific thing I
>> would be
>> > > extremely surprised at any scientifix studies at all linking it to
>> > anything.
>> >
>> > There have certainly been studies that link porn viewing/consumption to
>> > various minor ills, so I suppose you are extremely surprised.
>> >
>>
>> I am indeed because I haven't seen any such. Do you have a pointer handy?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -- Charles
>>
>
> This suggests that there isn't a single study that has linked porn and ED:
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201308/
> erectile-dysfunction-myth
>
> So I guess I had accepted an Internet "truth". Shows again why everyone
> needs a list like Silk in their lives.
>
> However, I haven't looked into the larger point that Heather makes about
> behavioural ills.
>
> Nikhil Mehra
> Advocate
> B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)
>
> Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
> E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
> +91 98107 76904
> nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com
>
>

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Nikhil Mehra]

On 5 September 2017 at 03:58, Charles Haynes 
wrote:

> On Tue., 5 Sep. 2017, 3:39 am Heather Madrone  wrote:
>
> > Charles Haynes wrote:
> > > Given that "porn addiction" isn't any kind of scientific thing I would
> be
> > > extremely surprised at any scientifix studies at all linking it to
> > anything.
> >
> > There have certainly been studies that link porn viewing/consumption to
> > various minor ills, so I suppose you are extremely surprised.
> >
>
> I am indeed because I haven't seen any such. Do you have a pointer handy?
>
> Thanks,
> -- Charles
>

This suggests that there isn't a single study that has linked porn and ED:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201308/erectile-dysfunction-myth

So I guess I had accepted an Internet "truth". Shows again why everyone
needs a list like Silk in their lives.

However, I haven't looked into the larger point that Heather makes about
behavioural ills.

Nikhil Mehra
Advocate
B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)

Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
+91 98107 76904
nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Heather Madrone]

Alaric Snell-Pym wrote:

I probably sound like a porn apologist... I'm not. I think the idea of
consenting adults sharing pictures/videos of themselves shagging, or
factual or fictional written accounts, etc, for their own or their
recipient's titilation or for money, is perfectly fine and even
laudable. But the porn *industry* is horrible, exploitative, and is
spreading disinformation.


I'm sex-positive, but, by and large, porn-negative, *because women in 
porn almost never look like they're enjoying it*. If porn celebrated 
female ecstasy rather than female humiliation and degradation, I'd be 
bang behind it.



As a parent: We're very open with our children about sex, with a view to
pre-educating them before they get misinformed by their peers or the
Internet...


My youngest just turned 18. We were very open about sex and 
reproduction, and made sure that good, accurate information was 
available to our children. We also told them that they'd likely run into 
porn online, but that we don't think it's a good idea to spend a lot of 
time on porn because it's unrealistic and largely unsatisfying. We 
talked about how much more satisfying sex is when you have a partner you 
love and good communication.


Porn was no more than a blip on the online radar in our house. 
Supporting our kids through various types of online meanness (sexual 
harassment, bullying, gaslighting, ridicule, pressure to send naked 
selfies, etc.) took a lot more time and energy than porn ever did.


The information Sriram provided earlier would be good to share with 
young teens to help them decide to develop healthy habits around porn.


--hmm

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Charles Haynes]

On Tue., 5 Sep. 2017, 3:39 am Heather Madrone  wrote:

> Charles Haynes wrote:
> > Given that "porn addiction" isn't any kind of scientific thing I would be
> > extremely surprised at any scientifix studies at all linking it to
> anything.
>
> There have certainly been studies that link porn viewing/consumption to
> various minor ills, so I suppose you are extremely surprised.
>

I am indeed because I haven't seen any such. Do you have a pointer handy?

Thanks,
-- Charles

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Alaric Snell-Pym]

On 04/09/17 15:21, Sriram Karra wrote:

> *"Conclusions: Increased access to the Internet by adolescents has created
> unprecedented **opportunities for sexual education, learning, and growth.
> Conversely, **the risk of harm that is evident in the literature has led
> researchers to investigate **adolescent exposure to online pornography in
> an effort to elucidate **these relationships. Collectively, these studies
> suggest that youth who **consume pornography may develop unrealistic sexual
> values and beliefs. **Among the findings, higher levels of permissive
> sexual attitudes, sexual preoccupation, **and earlier sexual
> experimentation have been correlated with **more frequent consumption of
> pornography. Researchers have had difficulty **replicating these results,
> however, and as a result the aggregate literature has **failed to indicate
> conclusive results. Nevertheless, consistent findings have **emerged
> linking adolescent use of pornography that depicts violence with **increased
> degrees of sexually aggressive behavior.*

I suspect that porn viewing causes harm through misinformation, but not
through some kind of "can't get aroused by real human beings"
psychological damage. Although the misinformation may lead to
psychological damage...

Is porn addiction really a thing? If so, is porn the problem, or is this
just something a person with a compulsion issue has latched onto in some
cases, and they'd have latched onto something else otherwise?

I think one must be careful here. Suppose studies found:

 * People get addicted to porn
 * People who view porn lots have a higher than usual level of mental
illness, particularly sexual dysfunction

...you can't blame porn based on *just* that (although that situation
would justify doing further studies), because it may be that people with
pre-existing psychological issues are more attracted to porn than others.

I probably sound like a porn apologist... I'm not. I think the idea of
consenting adults sharing pictures/videos of themselves shagging, or
factual or fictional written accounts, etc, for their own or their
recipient's titilation or for money, is perfectly fine and even
laudable. But the porn *industry* is horrible, exploitative, and is
spreading disinformation.

As a parent: We're very open with our children about sex, with a view to
pre-educating them before they get misinformed by their peers or the
Internet...

ABS

--
Alaric Snell-Pym
http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/alaric/

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Heather Madrone]

Charles Haynes wrote:

Given that "porn addiction" isn't any kind of scientific thing I would be
extremely surprised at any scientifix studies at all linking it to anything.


There have certainly been studies that link porn viewing/consumption to 
various minor ills, so I suppose you are extremely surprised.


My personal favorite involved male turkeys, who will spend so much time 
pursuing cardboard cut-outs of hot hen turkeys that they fail to 
copulate with real live hen turkeys in the same enclosure.


Human males are far too smart to ever fall for such obvious fakery, of 
course.


--hmm

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Sriram Karra]

Here is a publication that was cited in an article that was circulating on
Facebook a few months back. I have no idea about the reputation of the
journal, but the Results of the study are disturbing but not
counter-intuitive.

http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/4/8/e004996.full.pdf

*"Results: Anal heterosex often appeared to be painful, **risky and
coercive, particularly for women. Interviewees **frequently cited
pornography as the ‘explanation’ for **anal sex, yet their accounts
revealed a complex context **with availability of pornography being only
one **element. Other key elements included competition **between men; the
claim that ‘people must like it if they **do it’ (made alongside the
seemingly contradictory **expectation that it will be painful for women);
and, **crucially, normalisation of coercion and ‘accidental’ **penetration.
It seemed that men were expected to **persuade or coerce reluctant
partners.*

*Conclusions: Young people’s narratives normalised **coercive, painful and
unsafe anal heterosex. This study*
*suggests an urgent need for harm reduction efforts **targeting anal sex to
help encourage discussion about **mutuality and consent, reduce risky and
painful **techniques and challenge views that normalise **coercion"*

That paper includes a reference to an earlier review of the literature on
this subject. Again, the conclusions are disturbing, but not
counter-intuitive in the least.

http://psych.utoronto.ca/users/tafarodi/psy427/articles/Owens%20et%20al.%20(
2012).pdf

*"Conclusions: Increased access to the Internet by adolescents has created
unprecedented **opportunities for sexual education, learning, and growth.
Conversely, **the risk of harm that is evident in the literature has led
researchers to investigate **adolescent exposure to online pornography in
an effort to elucidate **these relationships. Collectively, these studies
suggest that youth who **consume pornography may develop unrealistic sexual
values and beliefs. **Among the findings, higher levels of permissive
sexual attitudes, sexual preoccupation, **and earlier sexual
experimentation have been correlated with **more frequent consumption of
pornography. Researchers have had difficulty **replicating these results,
however, and as a result the aggregate literature has **failed to indicate
conclusive results. Nevertheless, consistent findings have **emerged
linking adolescent use of pornography that depicts violence with **increased
degrees of sexually aggressive behavior.*

*The literature does indicate some correlation between adolescents’ use **of
pornography and self-concept. Girls report feeling physically inferior to **the
women they view in pornographic material, while boys fear they may **not be
as virile or able to perform as the men in these media. Adolescents **also
report that their use of pornography decreased as their self-confidence **and
social development increase. Additionally, research suggests that
adolescents **who use pornography, especially that found on the Internet,
have **lower degrees of social integration, increases in conduct problems,
higher **levels of delinquent behavior, higher incidence of depressive
symptoms, and **decreased emotional bonding with caregivers."*

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Charles Haynes 
wrote:

> Given that "porn addiction" isn't any kind of scientific thing I would be
> extremely surprised at any scientifix studies at all linking it to
> anything.
>
> -- Charles
>
> On Mon., 4 Sep. 2017, 6:56 pm Nikhil Mehra 
> wrote:
>
> > On 4 September 2017 at 05:07, Charles Haynes 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I know there is no scientific evidence that viewing porn is
> > > harmful. Lots of anecdote, lots of "it's obvious that..." but no data.
> > >
> > > So what's the (supposed) problem?
> > >
> > > -- Charles
> > >
> >
> > Aren't their studies now linking behavioural and physiological changes to
> > porn addiction? Like erectile dysfunction in physiologically healthy
> males?
> > Some of the theories are available here: www.yourbrainonporn.com
> >
> >
> > Nikhil Mehra
> > Advocate
> > B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)
> >
> > Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
> > E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
> > +91 98107 76904
> > nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Sun., 3 Sep. 2017, 10:35 pm Ingrid 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 03-Sep-2017, at 9:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw this article [1] that makes the (quite obvious, if you think
> > > about
> > > > > it) case
> > > > > ​ that kids will look at porn whether you want them to or not - and
> > > that
> > > > > people need to figure out how they will deal with that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since many people on silk are in the right demographic to have seen
> > > this
> > > > > either with their own kids or with friends/family, 

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Charles Haynes]

Given that "porn addiction" isn't any kind of scientific thing I would be
extremely surprised at any scientifix studies at all linking it to anything.

-- Charles

On Mon., 4 Sep. 2017, 6:56 pm Nikhil Mehra 
wrote:

> On 4 September 2017 at 05:07, Charles Haynes 
> wrote:
>
> > As far as I know there is no scientific evidence that viewing porn is
> > harmful. Lots of anecdote, lots of "it's obvious that..." but no data.
> >
> > So what's the (supposed) problem?
> >
> > -- Charles
> >
>
> Aren't their studies now linking behavioural and physiological changes to
> porn addiction? Like erectile dysfunction in physiologically healthy males?
> Some of the theories are available here: www.yourbrainonporn.com
>
>
> Nikhil Mehra
> Advocate
> B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)
>
> Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
> E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
> +91 98107 76904
> nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com
>
>
> >
> > On Sun., 3 Sep. 2017, 10:35 pm Ingrid  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > On 03-Sep-2017, at 9:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I saw this article [1] that makes the (quite obvious, if you think
> > about
> > > > it) case
> > > > ​ that kids will look at porn whether you want them to or not - and
> > that
> > > > people need to figure out how they will deal with that.
> > > >
> > > > Since many people on silk are in the right demographic to have seen
> > this
> > > > either with their own kids or with friends/family, please share
> > > > thoughts/advise/experiences.
> > > >
> > > > Udhay​
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://www.wired.com/2017/08/kids-and-porn/
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
> > >
> > > Similar advice from NSPCC whose guides on online safety I find useful.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/advice-
> > and-info/online-pornography-keep-child-safe.pdf
> > >
> > > Ingrid Srinath
> >
>

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Nikhil Mehra]

On 4 September 2017 at 05:07, Charles Haynes 
wrote:

> As far as I know there is no scientific evidence that viewing porn is
> harmful. Lots of anecdote, lots of "it's obvious that..." but no data.
>
> So what's the (supposed) problem?
>
> -- Charles
>

Aren't their studies now linking behavioural and physiological changes to
porn addiction? Like erectile dysfunction in physiologically healthy males?
Some of the theories are available here: www.yourbrainonporn.com


Nikhil Mehra
Advocate
B.A., LL.B. (Hons.) (NLSIU), LL.M (Northwestern)

Chambers of Nikhil Mehra
E-348 Ground Floor | Greater Kailash - II | New Delhi 110048
+91 98107 76904
nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com


>
> On Sun., 3 Sep. 2017, 10:35 pm Ingrid  wrote:
>
> >
> > > On 03-Sep-2017, at 9:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw this article [1] that makes the (quite obvious, if you think
> about
> > > it) case
> > > ​ that kids will look at porn whether you want them to or not - and
> that
> > > people need to figure out how they will deal with that.
> > >
> > > Since many people on silk are in the right demographic to have seen
> this
> > > either with their own kids or with friends/family, please share
> > > thoughts/advise/experiences.
> > >
> > > Udhay​
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://www.wired.com/2017/08/kids-and-porn/
> > >
> > > --
> > > ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
> >
> > Similar advice from NSPCC whose guides on online safety I find useful.
> >
> >
> > https://www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/advice-
> and-info/online-pornography-keep-child-safe.pdf
> >
> > Ingrid Srinath
>

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Charles Haynes]

As far as I know there is no scientific evidence that viewing porn is
harmful. Lots of anecdote, lots of "it's obvious that..." but no data.

So what's the (supposed) problem?

-- Charles

On Sun., 3 Sep. 2017, 10:35 pm Ingrid  wrote:

>
> > On 03-Sep-2017, at 9:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
> >
> > I saw this article [1] that makes the (quite obvious, if you think about
> > it) case
> > ​ that kids will look at porn whether you want them to or not - and that
> > people need to figure out how they will deal with that.
> >
> > Since many people on silk are in the right demographic to have seen this
> > either with their own kids or with friends/family, please share
> > thoughts/advise/experiences.
> >
> > Udhay​
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.wired.com/2017/08/kids-and-porn/
> >
> > --
> > ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
>
> Similar advice from NSPCC whose guides on online safety I find useful.
>
>
> https://www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/advice-and-info/online-pornography-keep-child-safe.pdf
>
> Ingrid Srinath

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Ingrid]

> On 03-Sep-2017, at 9:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
> 
> I saw this article [1] that makes the (quite obvious, if you think about
> it) case
> ​ that kids will look at porn whether you want them to or not - and that
> people need to figure out how they will deal with that.
> 
> Since many people on silk are in the right demographic to have seen this
> either with their own kids or with friends/family, please share
> thoughts/advise/experiences.
> 
> Udhay​
> 
> 
> [1] https://www.wired.com/2017/08/kids-and-porn/
> 
> -- 
> ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Similar advice from NSPCC whose guides on online safety I find useful.

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/advice-and-info/online-pornography-keep-child-safe.pdf

Ingrid Srinath

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Give them the usual frank talk beyond the birds and the bees. As a start. 

After that?  Well, an appreciation of what is consensual and what is non 
consensual might help him or her 

1. Take the staged porn with a pinch of salt

2. Steer clear of the masses of non consensual recordings (spy cams and such) 
uploaded online plus avoid ending up being featured in such a video themselves 

I believe Vidya Reddy of Tulir will have some excellent ideas on this.

--srs

> On 03-Sep-2017, at 9:50 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
> 
> I saw this article [1] that makes the (quite obvious, if you think about
> it) case
> ​ that kids will look at porn whether you want them to or not - and that
> people need to figure out how they will deal with that.
> 
> Since many people on silk are in the right demographic to have seen this
> either with their own kids or with friends/family, please share
> thoughts/advise/experiences.

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Biju Chacko]

My plan is to convince my kids that the Internet is a myth.

-- b

On 3 Sep 2017 09:50, "Udhay Shankar N"  wrote:

> I saw this article [1] that makes the (quite obvious, if you think about
> it) case
> ​ that kids will look at porn whether you want them to or not - and that
> people need to figure out how they will deal with that.
>
> Since many people on silk are in the right demographic to have seen this
> either with their own kids or with friends/family, please share
> thoughts/advise/experiences.
>
> Udhay​
>
>
> [1] https://www.wired.com/2017/08/kids-and-porn/
>
> --
> ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
>

[silk] Kids and porn

[Udhay Shankar N]

I saw this article [1] that makes the (quite obvious, if you think about
it) case
​ that kids will look at porn whether you want them to or not - and that
people need to figure out how they will deal with that.

Since many people on silk are in the right demographic to have seen this
either with their own kids or with friends/family, please share
thoughts/advise/experiences.

Udhay​


[1] https://www.wired.com/2017/08/kids-and-porn/

-- 
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))