Re: [silk] When to quit

[Charanya Chidambaram]

Absolutely agree with Arjun - I love the thought process he has mentioned
in his mail, as it tends to optimal decision making in life. For me, what
has helped over the years is to treat everything I do as projects and box
them into 'WIP', 'Action', 'Archive', 'Delete' - it allows me to apply my
brain and heart space in the right places.


On 27 July 2017 at 10:27, Arjun Guha  wrote:

> Udhay wrote asking for an "academic viewpoint" and that got me thinking
> about the question. I am a researcher at the Institute for Stem Cell
> Biology and Regenerative Medicine in Bangalore.
>
> As long as the answer to the question "Will this line of enquiry change the
> way we think?" is  "yes" or "maybe" I don't quit. I stop when resources
> become limiting and restart once resources come to hand, even if it is
> years later. I have imbibed this from my mentors both in India and in the
> US.
>
> Best,
> Arjun.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Biju Chacko 
> wrote:
>
> > After some amount of prodding by Udhay, I decided to think about this a
> > bit.
> >
> > In my opinion, most people quit because it's just the easiest thing to
> do.
> > It's the final step in a sequence of small decisions that paint you into
> a
> > corner whose only exit is quitting.
> >
> > Interestingly enough, I don't think the lack of explicit decision making
> > always results in bad outcomes. I think you end up doing what you
> *really*
> > want, rather than what you think you want or what society tells you to
> > want.
> >
> > This is good thing when you're making career choices, less so when you
> are
> > trying to eat more healthily or exercise more.
> >
> > At some level, wisdom is knowing when to trust your gut.
> >
> > -- b
> >
> > On 27 Jul 2017 08:31, "Udhay Shankar N"  wrote:
> >
> > > I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last
> week's
> > > episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving
> their
> > > take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
> > > persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in
> > posting
> > > here is to ask the community the same thing.
> > >
> > > How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?
> > >
> > > Udhay
> > >
> > > [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/
> > > --
> > >
> > > --
> > > ((Udhay Shankar N))  ((via phone))
> > >
> >
>

Re: [silk] When to quit

[Jim Grisanzio]

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:

> I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's
> episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their
> take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
> persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in posting
> here is to ask the community the same thing.
>
> How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?
>
> Udhay
>
> [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/
>
>
This is an important issue. You can burn years of your life by missing
this. And you can also miss critical opportunities along the way as well.

I think it's most important to learn the skill of quitting. And make no
mistake, it's a skill and it needs practice. You don't want to quit
something too soon without giving enough time for things to develop, of
course, but then again you can't let a mess drag out too long either. The
balance here is different for everyone.

To me the best way to manage this is to always be driving your own agenda.
Always be focused on your own goals, in other words. That way you are not
totally influenced by random circumstances and it's less likely you'll fall
victim to someone else's agenda. Part of driving your own agenda and
managing your own goals, though, is being open to new opportunities
resulting from changes in the environment around you.

Once you have that awareness on a daily basis, you are in a much better
position to assess situations and decide whether to quit or persist.

I'll have to listen to the Ferris podcast. I'm a fan.

Jim

Re: [silk] When to quit

[joy bhattacharjya]

I tend to agree with Biju that it depends on what you are attempting. I was 
desperate to try and quit smoking for many years, and  finally managed in 2008 
( till now!) after at least five major attempts. 

On the other hand, things like staying with a particular book after it fails to 
grip me after fifty pages is not worth the effort. 

I belong to the ‘will power is a limited and perishable commodity’ school, so 
find it easier to quit on  what I think is non vital


> On 27-Jul-2017, at 8:30 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
> 
> I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's
> episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their
> take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
> persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in posting
> here is to ask the community the same thing.
> 
> How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?
> 
> Udhay
> 
> [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/
> -- 
> 
> --
> ((Udhay Shankar N))  ((via phone))

Re: [silk] When to quit

[Venkatesh H R]

Several years ago I came across a new formulation of the old serenity prayer
in a book called The Shrink and The Sage (which was a long-running column in the
Financial Times).
The authors inserted one word: 'should' into the serenity prayer and removed
references to god. So the new one reads:
“I will strive to accept the things I cannot change, change the things I can and
should, and find the wisdom to know the difference.”

The key word here is 'should' - one maybe able to change a lot of things but if
it comes at too steep a cost, it may not be worth it. I have used this
formulation occasionally when confronted with a difficult choice.  





On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 10:27 AM, Arjun Guha histobl...@gmail.com  wrote:
Udhay wrote asking for an "academic viewpoint" and that got me thinking

about the question. I am a researcher at the Institute for Stem Cell

Biology and Regenerative Medicine in Bangalore.




As long as the answer to the question "Will this line of enquiry change the

way we think?" is "yes" or "maybe" I don't quit. I stop when resources

become limiting and restart once resources come to hand, even if it is

years later. I have imbibed this from my mentors both in India and in the

US.




Best,

Arjun.










On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Biju Chacko  wrote:




> After some amount of prodding by Udhay, I decided to think about this a

> bit.

>

> In my opinion, most people quit because it's just the easiest thing to do.

> It's the final step in a sequence of small decisions that paint you into a

> corner whose only exit is quitting.

>

> Interestingly enough, I don't think the lack of explicit decision making

> always results in bad outcomes. I think you end up doing what you *really*

> want, rather than what you think you want or what society tells you to

> want.

>

> This is good thing when you're making career choices, less so when you are

> trying to eat more healthily or exercise more.

>

> At some level, wisdom is knowing when to trust your gut.

>

> -- b

>

> On 27 Jul 2017 08:31, "Udhay Shankar N"  wrote:

>

> > I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's

> > episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their

> > take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to

> > persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in

> posting

> > here is to ask the community the same thing.

> >

> > How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?

> >

> > Udhay

> >

> > [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/

> > --

> >

> > --

> > ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((via phone))

> >

>






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Re: [silk] When to quit

[Arjun Guha]

Udhay wrote asking for an "academic viewpoint" and that got me thinking
about the question. I am a researcher at the Institute for Stem Cell
Biology and Regenerative Medicine in Bangalore.

As long as the answer to the question "Will this line of enquiry change the
way we think?" is  "yes" or "maybe" I don't quit. I stop when resources
become limiting and restart once resources come to hand, even if it is
years later. I have imbibed this from my mentors both in India and in the
US.

Best,
Arjun.



On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Biju Chacko  wrote:

> After some amount of prodding by Udhay, I decided to think about this a
> bit.
>
> In my opinion, most people quit because it's just the easiest thing to do.
> It's the final step in a sequence of small decisions that paint you into a
> corner whose only exit is quitting.
>
> Interestingly enough, I don't think the lack of explicit decision making
> always results in bad outcomes. I think you end up doing what you *really*
> want, rather than what you think you want or what society tells you to
> want.
>
> This is good thing when you're making career choices, less so when you are
> trying to eat more healthily or exercise more.
>
> At some level, wisdom is knowing when to trust your gut.
>
> -- b
>
> On 27 Jul 2017 08:31, "Udhay Shankar N"  wrote:
>
> > I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's
> > episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their
> > take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
> > persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in
> posting
> > here is to ask the community the same thing.
> >
> > How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?
> >
> > Udhay
> >
> > [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/
> > --
> >
> > --
> > ((Udhay Shankar N))  ((via phone))
> >
>

Re: [silk] When to quit

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Knowing precisely when to cut your losses and move on, versus staying on and 
making it work is kind of a difficult and personal decision.  But it is one you 
have to make at some point, or multiple points in your life.

On 27/07/17, 10:07 AM, "silklist on behalf of Biju Chacko" 
 wrote:

This is good thing when you're making career choices, less so when you are
trying to eat more healthily or exercise more.

At some level, wisdom is knowing when to trust your gut.

Re: [silk] When to quit

[Biju Chacko]

After some amount of prodding by Udhay, I decided to think about this a bit.

In my opinion, most people quit because it's just the easiest thing to do.
It's the final step in a sequence of small decisions that paint you into a
corner whose only exit is quitting.

Interestingly enough, I don't think the lack of explicit decision making
always results in bad outcomes. I think you end up doing what you *really*
want, rather than what you think you want or what society tells you to want.

This is good thing when you're making career choices, less so when you are
trying to eat more healthily or exercise more.

At some level, wisdom is knowing when to trust your gut.

-- b

On 27 Jul 2017 08:31, "Udhay Shankar N"  wrote:

> I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's
> episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their
> take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
> persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in posting
> here is to ask the community the same thing.
>
> How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?
>
> Udhay
>
> [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/
> --
>
> --
> ((Udhay Shankar N))  ((via phone))
>

Re: [silk] When to quit

[Kingsley Jegan Joseph]

On Thu 27 Jul, 2017 9:35 am Deepa Mohan,  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
>
> > I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's
> > episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their
> > take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
> > persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in
> posting
> > here is to ask the community the same thing.
> >
> > How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?
> >
> > Udhay
> >
> > [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/
>
>
>
> To float the thread out a bit, this has been on my mind lately in the
> context of treating major illness. When does someone (or that someone's
> caregiver) decide to quit the treatment? Is medical treatment of an illness
> a process that must be done to the point where the ill person is suffering
> terribly?
>
> The question is further complicated by human equations and judgements. It's
> all right if I myself make the decision to quit going to the doctors and
> hospitals; but what if it's my family member who has to make the call, and
> is considered to be cruel or uncaring in doing so?
>
> I have a friend whose mother has refused  further treatment,but is
> suffering immense pain. My friend and her family members are facing a lot
> of criticism for "allowing" this...even when it's clear that it was the
> mother who made the decisionand they are unable to be clear about
> whether they are right in supporting the lady, or not. It's leading to
> intense friction and trauma in the family relationships.
>
> Deepa.
>
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > ((Udhay Shankar N))  ((via phone))
> >
>

Reminds me of Tamil saying: "Tie hair to mountain and pull hard. If it
moves, congratulation, you now have a mountain. If it doesn't, you just
lost your hair"

As long as hair and mountains are there, why not keep trying?

>

Re: [silk] When to quit

[Deepa Mohan]

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:

> I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's
> episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their
> take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
> persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in posting
> here is to ask the community the same thing.
>
> How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?
>
> Udhay
>
> [1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/



To float the thread out a bit, this has been on my mind lately in the
context of treating major illness. When does someone (or that someone's
caregiver) decide to quit the treatment? Is medical treatment of an illness
a process that must be done to the point where the ill person is suffering
terribly?

The question is further complicated by human equations and judgements. It's
all right if I myself make the decision to quit going to the doctors and
hospitals; but what if it's my family member who has to make the call, and
is considered to be cruel or uncaring in doing so?

I have a friend whose mother has refused  further treatment,but is
suffering immense pain. My friend and her family members are facing a lot
of criticism for "allowing" this...even when it's clear that it was the
mother who made the decisionand they are unable to be clear about
whether they are right in supporting the lady, or not. It's leading to
intense friction and trauma in the family relationships.

Deepa.

>
> --
>
> --
> ((Udhay Shankar N))  ((via phone))
>

[silk] When to quit

[Udhay Shankar N]

I occasionally listen to the Tim Ferris podcast, and I found last week's
episode [1] particularly fascinating. It's a panel of people giving their
take on the question "how does one decide when to quit and when to
persist". I recommend listening to the episode, but my intention in posting
here is to ask the community the same thing.

How do *you* decide when to quit and when to persist?

Udhay

[1] https://tim.blog/2017/07/23/when-to-quit/
-- 

--
((Udhay Shankar N))  ((via phone))