Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited

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Go to your local scrap yard and get a piece. It will probably be a 90-6-4 alloy 
which wont oxidize and is essentially inert. Worth about $3 lb. as scrap.

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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
> 
> Palladium is second best to Platinum and costs half as much.  Titanium is 
> cheaper than either and is corrosion resistant, but in nature is found as 
> Titanium Oxide..it does "rust" eventually, but Titanium Oxide is very inert 
> [as is Aluminum Oxide]
> 
> If your water ionizer uses tap water or there is a recommendation to use a 
> buffer such as salt, the alkaline result is due to the presence of a metal 
> hydroxide vs the Hydroxyl OH[-] ion of water.
> 
> It's far easier and cheaper to just put a few crystals of Draino in a glass 
> of water.
> 
> Ode
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Nenah Sylver  wrote:
>> To all the smart and clever people on this list:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I remember a discussion of water ionizers on this egroup and figured you 
>> would know the answer to my questions. Several years ago I bought a water 
>> ionizer unit (the “Athena”), which malfunctioned a couple of times. After 
>> dealing with a corrupt, inept, greedy company—whose inferior packing in fact 
>> contributed to breakage on at least one occasion—I convinced my 
>> great-with-tools-and-building-things significant other that as long as we 
>> had a unit in our possession that couldn’t be used in its current state, he 
>> might as well open it up and see about fixing it himself.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So he went onto You Tube and watched a few videos on how to create a water 
>> ionizer, and is now in the process of trying to repair it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My question concerns the material comprising the electrodes. Obviously, 
>> stainless steel is not a good material for water ionizer electrodes, because 
>> we don’t want heavy metal to contaminate the water. The best homemade 
>> ionizers (and I’m assuming commercially manufactured ones too) use 
>> electrodes made of titanium.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Some sellers of JUST the electrodes coat the titanium electrodes with 
>> palladium, claiming that the palladium is inert and will prevent the 
>> titanium from tarnishing (and thus releasing metallic ions into the water). 
>> However, after doing some research on titanium, I discovered that besides 
>> being the 9th most abundant mineral in the Earth’s crust, titanium is made 
>> into airplanes because comparatively speaking it’s not very heavy and 
>> DOESN’T RUST. So, is it necessary to use a palladium-covered set of titanium 
>> rods for electrodes?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This may be a moot point for me now. Either my unit will be repaired, or 
>> we’ll use its electrodes in a homemade unit. However, I still wonder about 
>> the materials used for water ionizer electrodes.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I appreciate your input. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Nenah
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Nenah Sylver, PhD
>> 
>> author, The Rife Handbook
>> 
>> of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health
>> 
>> healing from cancer and other diseases
>> 
>> with non-invasive, effective technology
>> 
>> suppressed by the medical cartel until recently
>> 
>> www.nenahsylver.com
>> 
> 

Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[Ode Coyote]

Palladium is second best to Platinum and costs half as much.  Titanium is
cheaper than either and is corrosion resistant, but in nature is found as
Titanium Oxide..it does "rust" eventually, but Titanium Oxide is very inert
[as is Aluminum Oxide]

If your water ionizer uses tap water or there is a recommendation to use a
buffer such as salt, the alkaline result is due to the presence of a metal
hydroxide vs the Hydroxyl OH[-] ion of water.

It's far easier and cheaper to just put a few crystals of Draino in a glass
of water.

Ode

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Nenah Sylver  wrote:

> To all the smart and clever people on this list:
>
>
>
> I remember a discussion of water ionizers on this egroup and figured you
> would know the answer to my questions. Several years ago I bought a water
> ionizer unit (the “Athena”), which malfunctioned a couple of times. After
> dealing with a corrupt, inept, greedy company—whose inferior packing in
> fact contributed to breakage on at least one occasion—I convinced my
> great-with-tools-and-building-things significant other that as long as we
> had a unit in our possession that couldn’t be used in its current state, he
> might as well open it up and see about fixing it himself.
>
>
>
> So he went onto You Tube and watched a few videos on how to create a water
> ionizer, and is now in the process of trying to repair it.
>
>
>
> My question concerns the material comprising the electrodes. Obviously,
> stainless steel is not a good material for water ionizer electrodes,
> because we don’t want heavy metal to contaminate the water. The best
> homemade ionizers (and I’m assuming commercially manufactured ones too) use
> electrodes made of titanium.
>
>
>
> Some sellers of JUST the electrodes coat the titanium electrodes with
> palladium, claiming that the palladium is inert and will prevent the
> titanium from tarnishing (and thus releasing metallic ions into the water).
> However, after doing some research on titanium, I discovered that besides
> being the 9th most abundant mineral in the Earth’s crust, titanium is made
> into airplanes because comparatively speaking it’s not very heavy and
> DOESN’T RUST. So, is it necessary to use a palladium-covered set of
> titanium rods for electrodes?
>
>
>
> This may be a moot point for me now. Either my unit will be repaired, or
> we’ll use its electrodes in a homemade unit. However, I still wonder about
> the materials used for water ionizer electrodes.
>
>
>
> I appreciate your input. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Nenah
>
>
>
> Nenah Sylver, PhD
>
> author, *The Rife Handbook*
>
> *of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health*
>
> healing from cancer and other diseases
>
> with non-invasive, effective technology
>
> suppressed by the medical cartel until recently
>
> *www.nenahsylver.com* 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[Steve Young]

Nenah,

 

The electrodes I use in my DIY water ionizer, and in good commercial
ionizers, are titanium coated with Platinum (not Palladium).  You can find
them on Amazon, for example, by searching for Platinized Titanium Anodes.
They are expensive but necessary to be non-reactive in the electrolytic
process.  

 

By the way, research in the last few years now shows the beneficial benefit
of water ionizers is NOT that they make the water more alkaline.  It IS
because they  infuse (dissolve) Hydrogen into the water.  Asian countries
are ahead of the US in producing efficient Hydrogen Infusion Machines (HIM),
and there are now some commercial ones on the market, but they are
expensive.  The good ionizers also use what is called a Proton Exchange
Membrane (also used in fuel cells) to ensure only Hydrogen gets infused into
the water.  The resulting product has a pH of about 7, the same as untreated
water.  The concentration of Hydrogen in water is quite low - on the order
of 1 PPM, and the Hydrogen dissipates out of the water fairly quickly
(hours), so the product needs to be drunk soon after it is made.  

 

The best web site I have found to explain the health benefits of Hydrogen
Infused Water is  <http://www.molecularhydrogenfoundation.org/>
http://www.molecularhydrogenfoundation.org/  .  Another good site is
<http://h2healthyliving.com/> http://h2healthyliving.com/ .  

 

Steve

 

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Subject: CS>water ionizers, revisited

 

To all the smart and clever people on this list:

 

I remember a discussion of water ionizers on this egroup and figured you
would know the answer to my questions. Several years ago I bought a water
ionizer unit (the "Athena"), which malfunctioned a couple of times. After
dealing with a corrupt, inept, greedy company-whose inferior packing in fact
contributed to breakage on at least one occasion-I convinced my
great-with-tools-and-building-things significant other that as long as we
had a unit in our possession that couldn't be used in its current state, he
might as well open it up and see about fixing it himself. 

 

So he went onto You Tube and watched a few videos on how to create a water
ionizer, and is now in the process of trying to repair it.

 

My question concerns the material comprising the electrodes. Obviously,
stainless steel is not a good material for water ionizer electrodes, because
we don't want heavy metal to contaminate the water. The best homemade
ionizers (and I'm assuming commercially manufactured ones too) use
electrodes made of titanium.

 

Some sellers of JUST the electrodes coat the titanium electrodes with
palladium, claiming that the palladium is inert and will prevent the
titanium from tarnishing (and thus releasing metallic ions into the water).
However, after doing some research on titanium, I discovered that besides
being the 9th most abundant mineral in the Earth's crust, titanium is made
into airplanes because comparatively speaking it's not very heavy and
DOESN'T RUST. So, is it necessary to use a palladium-covered set of titanium
rods for electrodes?

 

This may be a moot point for me now. Either my unit will be repaired, or
we'll use its electrodes in a homemade unit. However, I still wonder about
the materials used for water ionizer electrodes.

 

I appreciate your input. Thanks in advance.

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, The Rife Handbook

of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health

healing from cancer and other diseases 

with non-invasive, effective technology

suppressed by the medical cartel until recently

 <http://www.nenahsylver.com> www.nenahsylver.com

 

 

 

 



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Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[Jerry Durand]

On 06/16/2016 02:52 PM, John Popelish wrote:
>
> Do you know of any reference describing this effect?

Not handy, it's a memory from long ago when I used carbon electrodes at
a company.

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Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[John Popelish]

On 06/16/2016 05:04 PM, Jerry Durand wrote:

Carbon electrodes in oxygenated water can give off carbon monoxide. In
most cases, you wouldn't make enough to be of any concern but if someone
is extra sensitive to CO, then it could be a problem.


Do you know of any reference describing this effect?
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Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[Jerry Durand]

Carbon electrodes in oxygenated water can give off carbon monoxide. In
most cases, you wouldn't make enough to be of any concern but if someone
is extra sensitive to CO, then it could be a problem.

On 06/16/2016 01:56 PM, John Popelish wrote:
> I would probably try carbon electrodes.  They are harmless and do not
> corrode into the water, at all.
> All sorts of graphite electrodes are available from eBay, because they
> are used inside lithium batteries.
>
> I have an assortment of these.
>

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Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[John Popelish]

On 06/16/2016 03:13 PM, Nenah Sylver wrote:
(snip)

My question concerns the material comprising the electrodes.
Obviously, stainless steel is not a good material for water
ionizer electrodes, because we don’t want heavy metal to
contaminate the water. The best homemade ionizers (and I’m
assuming commercially manufactured ones too) use electrodes
made of titanium.

(snip)

I would probably try carbon electrodes.  They are harmless 
and do not corrode into the water, at all.
All sorts of graphite electrodes are available from eBay, 
because they are used inside lithium batteries.


I have an assortment of these.

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Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[Jerry Durand]

We run all our CS water through one of our water structuring devices,
just for the triple kick (CS, ionized, structured).

In other news, I was just buying some silver wire for our business
(nothing to do with CS) and see they have a note now that their silver
wire isn't certified for human uses such as CS.  Somebody must have
tipped them off.

On 06/16/2016 12:52 PM, Malcolm wrote:
> Hi Nenah, just a quickie 'til I do some research; although titanium is
> a good-un in the human body for all sorts of things, I'm unsure of the
> possible effects of a titanium ion in the digestive tract.  But in the
> meantime consider Silver; kind of a twofer - CS and ionized water
> both?  All for the mo, 
> Malcolm

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Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[Malcolm]

Hi Nenah, just a quickie 'til I do some research; although titanium is a 
good-un in the human body for all sorts of things, I'm unsure of the 
possible effects of a titanium ion in the digestive tract.  But in the 
meantime consider Silver; kind of a twofer - CS and ionized water both?  
All for the mo,

Malcolm

On 6/16/2016 12:13 PM, Nenah Sylver wrote:


To all the smart and clever people on this list:

I remember a discussion of water ionizers on this egroup and figured 
you would know the answer to my questions. Several years ago I bought 
a water ionizer unit (the “Athena”), which malfunctioned a couple of 
times. After dealing with a corrupt, inept, greedy company—whose 
inferior packing in fact contributed to breakage on at least one 
occasion—I convinced my great-with-tools-and-building-things 
significant other that as long as we had a unit in our possession that 
couldn’t be used in its current state, he might as well open it up and 
see about fixing it himself.


So he went onto You Tube and watched a few videos on how to create a 
water ionizer, and is now in the process of trying to repair it.


My question concerns the material comprising the electrodes. 
Obviously, stainless steel is not a good material for water ionizer 
electrodes, because we don’t want heavy metal to contaminate the 
water. The best homemade ionizers (and I’m assuming commercially 
manufactured ones too) use electrodes made of titanium.


Some sellers of JUST the electrodes coat the titanium electrodes with 
palladium, claiming that the palladium is inert and will prevent the 
titanium from tarnishing (and thus releasing metallic ions into the 
water). However, after doing some research on titanium, I discovered 
that besides being the 9th most abundant mineral in the Earth’s crust, 
titanium is made into airplanes because comparatively speaking it’s 
not very heavy and DOESN’T RUST. So, is it necessary to use a 
palladium-covered set of titanium rods for electrodes?


This may be a moot point for me now. Either my unit will be repaired, 
or we’ll use its electrodes in a homemade unit. However, I still 
wonder about the materials used for water ionizer electrodes.


I appreciate your input. Thanks in advance.

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, //The Rife Handbook//

//of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health//

healing from cancer and other diseases

with non-invasive, effective technology

suppressed by the medical cartel until recently

**www.nenahsylver.com** 

CS>water ionizers, revisited

[Nenah Sylver]

To all the smart and clever people on this list:

 

I remember a discussion of water ionizers on this egroup and figured you
would know the answer to my questions. Several years ago I bought a water
ionizer unit (the "Athena"), which malfunctioned a couple of times. After
dealing with a corrupt, inept, greedy company-whose inferior packing in fact
contributed to breakage on at least one occasion-I convinced my
great-with-tools-and-building-things significant other that as long as we
had a unit in our possession that couldn't be used in its current state, he
might as well open it up and see about fixing it himself. 

 

So he went onto You Tube and watched a few videos on how to create a water
ionizer, and is now in the process of trying to repair it.

 

My question concerns the material comprising the electrodes. Obviously,
stainless steel is not a good material for water ionizer electrodes, because
we don't want heavy metal to contaminate the water. The best homemade
ionizers (and I'm assuming commercially manufactured ones too) use
electrodes made of titanium.

 

Some sellers of JUST the electrodes coat the titanium electrodes with
palladium, claiming that the palladium is inert and will prevent the
titanium from tarnishing (and thus releasing metallic ions into the water).
However, after doing some research on titanium, I discovered that besides
being the 9th most abundant mineral in the Earth's crust, titanium is made
into airplanes because comparatively speaking it's not very heavy and
DOESN'T RUST. So, is it necessary to use a palladium-covered set of titanium
rods for electrodes?

 

This may be a moot point for me now. Either my unit will be repaired, or
we'll use its electrodes in a homemade unit. However, I still wonder about
the materials used for water ionizer electrodes.

 

I appreciate your input. Thanks in advance.

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, The Rife Handbook

of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health

healing from cancer and other diseases 

with non-invasive, effective technology

suppressed by the medical cartel until recently

  www.nenahsylver.com