Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-03-06 Thread Dan Nave
Cyclamate C6H12NNaO3S is not the same as Saccharin C7H5NO3S. Dan On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote:  Sodium Cyclamate was banned for decades in America  [Sacharin ]  It turned out that the scientific testing was so flawed [funded by the sugar

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-03-05 Thread Ode Coyote
Sodium Cyclamate was banned for decades in America [Sacharin ] It turned out that the scientific testing was so flawed [funded by the sugar industry? ] and the public reaction so myth driven that none of it made any sense at all upon re-examination. Now it's back. If the drug sniffing

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2010-03-04 Thread sol
Me too! I have a good friend in Canada, but if I had her send me some, do doubt she would get in trouble. I wonder if there is a way to say what it is, not lie, but still have it be innocuous to customs? sol At 08:59 PM 3/3/2010, you wrote: Cyclamate is the best tasting artificial sweetener

RE: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-03-03 Thread Ode Coyote
Yes it is her fault for not recognizing perceptual limitations and acting accordingly. She knows that, unlike the younger generation that believes the world should be perfected for them...or else. Had it been a root in the woods, same thing, but no one but God to blame. Blame God..He

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-03-03 Thread Dan Nave
Cyclamate is the best tasting artificial sweetener ever!!! I really miss it. ;-)) I do... Dan On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:03 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Well, I'm sorry to tell you but MY personal experience is that I feel the same whether having some or being off it completely

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-03-02 Thread Ode Coyote
AND my freedom to choose how I want to medicate if at all as opposed to having my choices suppressed entirely. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:36 AM Subject: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change

RE: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-03-02 Thread Lisa
- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners. I'm not arguing with any of that Ode, i.e the suing thing. I think that people should be responsible

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2010-03-01 Thread Ode Coyote
Well, I make and use CS because it's something I can do. When it's not enough, I have no problem hitting the feed and seed store or asking the dentist for anti-biotics. Doctors under attack are more expensive than dentists told about a fantasy tooth ache, animal drugs are the same as people

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2010-03-01 Thread Renee
All men die. Not all men really live. William Wallace--Braveheart. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Freedom or safety. You can't have it both ways. With freedom comes risk. With safety, lack of choice...and you pay for that lack.

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2010-03-01 Thread Bob Banever
to choose how I want to medicate if at all as opposed to having my choices suppressed entirely. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:36 AM Subject: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners

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2010-03-01 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I'm not arguing with any of that Ode, i.e the suing thing. I think that people should be responsible for themselves as far as possible. I happen to think that if you trip up a broken pavement, then that's *your* fault, not the Councils, and you should have looked where you are going! The

RE: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-28 Thread Louise Larabie
To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners. snip if they had been given the information - may not have gotten sick if they had known that it could have had that effect. For instance, the thousands of people who died from taking Vioxx - if they had

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-28 Thread Ode Coyote
So how many benefited from Vioxx that may have died without it, compared to those that died with it? [I dunno, but that's not the point] Absolutism is just not part of reality...there is never just one answer. [But it does make self defense very expensive for a drug company when lawyers

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-28 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Well I suppose if we all thought like that, then we wouldn't bother to make CS either! There wouldn't be any point, because we could just go and take the anti-biotics the doctor gives us as they may or may not, kill us, but hey - who cares - we are going to die of something anyway! dee On 28

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-27 Thread Ode Coyote
The other side of that story is those looking for something easy to blame and a following to make them feel important. The impossible solution is the easy fight..blaming what you can't control is very safe but totally ineffective with no way to win, but every way to continue the good fight

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-27 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I *can* see most of that Ode, but I do think that if there is a possibility that a substance that is sold as harmless - or even beneficial - is *not* then people should have the knowledge given to them, so that they can make an informed choice. After all, you or I could drink this with

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-26 Thread Ode Coyote
Yup..and they are all true if you ignore context and proportion...like..you know..the facts without all the varnish. Formaldehyde is also a natural metabolite of many healthy foods. Different people metabolize things in different proportions. Methanol and formaldehyde is what makes some

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-26 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Makes sense so farbutwhat if the studies were done by people who had an agenda in pronouncing it safe? This has been done many times i.e the cigarette companies spring to mind here plus vaccine and statin manufacturers. I still cannot believe that so many people have condemned this

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-25 Thread Ode Coyote
Too much of anything will do that. I didn't say anything about aspartame excitotoxins. The question is, are those any different than the ones the nerves *need* in the proper amounts ? I don't know the answer and aspartame tastes like pure crap to me, so I don't get anywhere near it for

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-25 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Hmm...I'm still out on that one Ode. I have read a lot of things about aspartame from different sources and they all agree that it is a toxic nerve poison. That dorway.com which someone posted for something else, has *huge* articles about it. People that ingest it can get symptoms which

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-24 Thread Ode Coyote
At 06:25 PM 2/23/2010 +, you wrote: But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, Blankets...you can't stay alive without excitotoxins. Look a little deeper. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions:

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2010-02-24 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
But what I read said that the aspartame excitotoxins cause nerves to die? Is this not right then? dee On 24 Feb 2010, at 15:01, Ode Coyote wrote: At 06:25 PM 2/23/2010 +, you wrote: But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, Blankets...you can't stay alive without

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-23 Thread Rowena
Well, what I might do is send her the information about the mag dioxide in carbonated water, and let her have the recipes for different flavours, the coke taste-alike, if I remember correctly, being tamarind paste, which I happen to have. Made harder by the fact that she has just moved, so I

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2010-02-23 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I meant type 2 dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 18:51, Dan Nave wrote: Type 11 diabetes! That's bad Dan On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-23 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 19:48, Marshall Dudley wrote: Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but at least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke.

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2010-02-23 Thread Marshall Dudley
Have her look at dorway.com Even the FDA has a list of problems it can cause, including death if I remember right. Marshall Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee On 22 Feb 2010, at 19:48,

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2010-02-23 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Thanks for this Marshall. dee On 23 Feb 2010, at 15:51, Marshall Dudley wrote: Have her look at dorway.com Even the FDA has a list of problems it can cause, including death if I remember right. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.

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2010-02-23 Thread sol
At 04:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote: I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee If you mean diet sodas with aspartame, I have to say it doesn't bother me. People who are sensitive to it should not use it, but then that applies to

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2010-02-23 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, and has also been cited as causing cancer among other things. I believe it is on the agenda of the FDA at the moment as so many have called for a ban on it. It was banned for many years until Reagan got into power and then it was allowed,

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-23 Thread Marshall Dudley
sol wrote: At 04:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote: I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it then it must be allright! dee If you mean diet sodas with aspartame, I have to say it doesn't bother me. People who are sensitive to it should not use it, but then that

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2010-02-23 Thread sol
Well, I'm sorry to tell you but MY personal experience is that I feel the same whether having some or being off it completely for years at a time. I just feel no adverse effects from it. It was one of the first things I looked at given my known health issues. If removing something for several

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2010-02-23 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I think the thing with this type of product is that you wouldn't necessarily notice anything happening at all, until it was too late. However, as long as people are aware of the danger and can make an informed choice, then that is of course, their prerogative. dee On 23 Feb 2010, at 19:03,

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2010-02-23 Thread M. G. Devour
Sol writes: Meantime, I try to not use too much of any sweetener, but I don't have any fear of a bit of aspartame now and then. sol I think this is the ultimate secret to Sol's success! Most of the incidents of people having real bad outcomes with such products seem to be linked with major

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2010-02-22 Thread Dan Nave
Type 11 diabetes! That's bad Dan On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me.  She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for

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2010-02-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but at least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: Type 11 diabetes! That's bad Dan On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: I have a friend

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2010-02-21 Thread Rowena
Reposted in plain text. It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only

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2010-02-21 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke! dee On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote: Reposted in plain

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2010-02-21 Thread Annie B Smythe
I quit drinking anything but water and tea/coffee. Yeah coffee/tea isn't the greatest either, but it is my guilty pleasure:) Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me. She has