Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 19:10, Johnny Billquist wrote: > Except of course you don't find any memory modules in the 93/94, since > all memory are on the CPU board. > Oh? I know the KDJ11-EB doesn't need memory modules, since it has all 4MB that a 22-bitter can use onboard, but I do recall that it's

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Johnny Billquist
Thanks for the additional details, Don. You definitely know more, and were more involved than I ever was. A couple of additional comments... On 2020-07-10 20:52, Don North wrote: On 7/10/2020 7:20 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2020-07-10 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 9, 2020, at

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2020-07-10 19:16, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 11:56, Tom Perrine wrote: Way back in the mid/late 80s we had a machine from ATT/Teradata which was a DB appliance. It was a standalone rack about the size of an RA81, IIRC. It claimed to have "single board

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Don North
On 7/10/2020 7:20 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2020-07-10 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:40 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2020-07-10 04:37, Don North wrote: On 7/9/2020 6:25 PM, Bob Supnik wrote: Yes, the PDP11 Architecture Handbook was a post-facto effort. The J11 was

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 11:56, Tom Perrine wrote: > > Way back in the mid/late 80s we had a machine from ATT/Teradata which was a > DB appliance. It was a standalone rack about the size of an RA81, IIRC. It > claimed to have "single board PDP-11, a PDP-11/84" as the CPU. > > I had never heard

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Tim Shoppa
The Teradata database-engine racks had large arrays of disks and high densities of CPU's. Not sole 11/84's. If you had a standalone short rack with a 11/84, I think that was used as front-end communications, RJE-style, to the IBM mainframe it attached to. I recall many vendors put a DEC bisync

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Johnny Billquist
The 11/84 definitely is that size at least. And the cpu is just one chip. But it's on a board with some other stuff. Memory is separate though. With the 11/94 you had also memory on the same board. Johnny Tom Perrine skrev: (10 juli 2020 17:55:32 CEST) >Way back in the mid/late 80s we had

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Tom Perrine
Way back in the mid/late 80s we had a machine from ATT/Teradata which was a DB appliance. It was a standalone rack about the size of an RA81, IIRC. It claimed to have "single board PDP-11, a PDP-11/84" as the CPU. I had never heard of it before or since. Was that a typo? Hype? Flat out wrong?

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2020-07-10 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:40 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2020-07-10 04:37, Don North wrote: On 7/9/2020 6:25 PM, Bob Supnik wrote: Yes, the PDP11 Architecture Handbook was a post-facto effort. The J11 was finished; DEC did not intend to do another

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-10 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:40 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > On 2020-07-10 04:37, Don North wrote: >> On 7/9/2020 6:25 PM, Bob Supnik wrote: >>> Yes, the PDP11 Architecture Handbook was a post-facto effort. The J11 was >>> finished; DEC did not intend to do another PDP11 processor. (I wrote a

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-09 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2020-07-10 04:37, Don North wrote: On 7/9/2020 6:25 PM, Bob Supnik wrote: Yes, the PDP11 Architecture Handbook was a post-facto effort. The J11 was finished; DEC did not intend to do another PDP11 processor. (I wrote a spec for one, primarily as an exercise in trying to do a different

Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 198, Issue 16

2020-07-09 Thread Bob Supnik
Yes, the PDP11 Architecture Handbook was a post-facto effort. The J11 was finished; DEC did not intend to do another PDP11 processor. (I wrote a spec for one, primarily as an exercise in trying to do a different microcode structure than the PLA/ROM of the LSI11/F11/J11, but I lost it.) The