Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-06 Thread Rhialto
On Fri 02 Feb 2018 at 21:06:06 +, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote: > The Alpha target is the Digital Personal Workstation (PWS) 500au > [codename: Miata], which qualifies as a single user workstation from a > minimum licensing perspective. I have a PWS 433au which I have installed NetBSD on.

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-05 Thread Clem Cole
My apologies to the list -- I did a reply all - I had intended that last message to be sent only to Tim. Clem ᐧ ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-05 Thread Clem Cole
I hear you. My point was it only failed the corner cases of failover, so I think it would have made it to logs. And that should have been good enough. Not perfect, but in practice it would have worked and it would have simplified things immensely. And not having the Adaptec support was in

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-05 Thread Timothe Litt
On 05-Feb-18 13:36, Clem Cole wrote: > > > ​Point taken, but DEC used the SPD as its primary defense for exactly > this type of problem.​ It was the 'legal' definition of what was and > was not allowed.   But as you point out, that behavior does not always > make for happy customers or sr

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-05 Thread Clem Cole
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Timothe Litt wrote: > On 05-Feb-18 12:01, Clem Cole wrote: > > The *word *you left out was probably the issue. > ​Fair enough ..​ > *We just didn't make adding a node to a cluster difficult and mysterious > enough.* > ​Right ;-)​ > So

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-05 Thread Timothe Litt
On 05-Feb-18 12:01, Clem Cole wrote: > >   But marketing never accepted because of the failover issue for > clusters. > > I never understood that.  My argument was that nobody was going to > *knowingly***put a $1M cluster at risk with a $100 PCI card.   We > could have just stated in the SPD that

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-05 Thread Clem Cole
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Zane Healy wrote: > I had found a nearly new PWS 433a in a used computer shop, that didn’t > know what it was worth > ​ > ​Likely to have been one of the NT/Alpha's in the wild. It was a dirty little secret in ZKO and MRO that they worked

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-05 Thread Clem Cole
dyslexia sucks, sorry... s/could properly/couldn't properly/ On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 8:44 PM, Clem cole wrote: > Be careful. The comment about many of the pci boards were only NT while > that is true really is somewhat different. For instance both vms an tru64 > (and FreeBSD

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-03 Thread Zane Healy
Now that you mention it, I was mainly thinking about the video cards, which aren’t fully applicable here. Though Network was another area besides disk where I remember it being a bit of a challenge. I wish I’d known that an Adaptec 1542 was an option, finding a card I could afford was a

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-02 Thread Clem cole
Be careful. The comment about many of the pci boards were only NT while that is true really is somewhat different. For instance both vms an tru64 (and FreeBSD for that matter) will all boot and run fine with an Adaptec 1542 controller (the 500au in my office only had same in it) The SPD

Re: [Simh] EXT :Re: DEC Alpha Emulation

2018-02-02 Thread Hittner, David T [US] (MS)
The Alpha target is the Digital Personal Workstation (PWS) 500au [codename: Miata], which qualifies as a single user workstation from a minimum licensing perspective. Bob Supnik had one in his possession, and gave it to me to do comparisons. The Miata has both ARC and SRM firmware