Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

Does anyone have a link to (or a copy of) the original Hobbyist license agreement, I'd really like to read it. It has  been my understanding for a LONG time, that license PAKs are not a guarantee that you've actually licensed anything. While the Hobbyist License PAKs are expiring, does your

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

on a question about vms future Dan Try: https://www.grammarly.com From: Simh on behalf of Mark Pizzolato Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 3:37:04 PM To: Kevin Handy ; Hunter Goatley Cc: Simh Subject: Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program VSI hasn’t said anything about

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

Cc: Simh Subject: Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program With VMS only available for obsolete hardware, the main people keeping the knowledge alive is the hobbyests. With the loss of the hobbyist program, there's going to be a lot of hard feelings left behind. IWon't that cause VSI problems

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

With VMS only available for obsolete hardware, the main people keeping the knowledge alive is the hobbyests. With the loss of the hobbyist program, there's going to be a lot of hard feelings left behind. IWon't that cause VSI problems when the finally get an X86 version going? The VMS supporters

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

On 3/8/2020 8:57 AM, Craig Berry wrote: HPE does not need to be selling or supporting the software in order to collect royalties from those who do, and I suspect the commercial emulator vendors have the ability to issue PAKs for new and transferred VAX licenses, and make money for themselves

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

On 2020-03-08 13:33, Dan Gahlinger wrote: You're probably "safe" to do so if you're in a country that is not part of The Berne Convention, YMMV. Probably not. The Berne convention makes copyright automatic on work. A country that have not signed the Berne convention does not make copyright

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

ed a hobbyist member with massive pockets to step up and protect it for all of us... Dan From: Simh on behalf of Johnny Billquist Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 7:56:16 AM To: Bob Eager ; simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program On 2020-03-08 12

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

On 2020-03-08 12:42, Bob Eager wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:34:46 +0100 Johnny Billquist wrote: is HPE going to sue individual hobbyists for copyright? I highly doubt it. Why would they? HPE have given hobbyists licenses which will expire, at which point they just don't have a working

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:34:46 +0100 Johnny Billquist wrote: > > is HPE going to sue individual hobbyists for copyright? I highly > > doubt it. > > Why would they? HPE have given hobbyists licenses which will expire, > at which point they just don't have a working license anymore. Not > sure

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

Hmm. You seem to be a bit confused... Let me try and straighten things out... On 2020-03-08 05:21, Dan Gahlinger wrote: is it still technically pirating if it's impossible to legally buy it because it's a dead product? Yes. It is still owned by someone. That doesn't end just because they

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:09 PM, Tony Nicholson wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:39 AM Hunter Goatley > wrote: > [snip] > > I had hoped that HPE would release non-expiring VAX PAKs, because why > not? They're out of the game, and no one else has the code for

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

Layered product PAKs may be common, but as far as HPE and VSI are concerned, they're no more legitimate than a key made by some third party keygen. Given that both piles of old PAKs and said third party keygen both exist, getting things to physically run is not the problem, it's being able to do

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

on behalf of Craig Berry Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020, 10:58 p.m. To: simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program > On Mar 7, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Bob Eager wrote: > > A comment from Usenet, from VSI: No, it was not from VSI. It was from someone who had re

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

> On Mar 7, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Bob Eager wrote: > > A comment from Usenet, from VSI: No, it was not from VSI. It was from someone who had renewed HPE hobbyist licenses and got that reply from HPE. > "The HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses we are issuing in 2020 will be the > last set.

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:39 AM Hunter Goatley wrote: > [snip] > > I had hoped that HPE would release non-expiring VAX PAKs, because why > not? They're out of the game, and no one else has the code for VAX. But > they apparently aren't going to do that, which effectively ends SIMH, > VAX, and

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 20:39:54 -0500 Michael Kerpan wrote: > If running without a valid license is considered an option, then > there are ways to keep running VMS 7.3. Both a PAK generator and a > set of pre-generated perpetual PAKs are floating around in dark > corners of the internet. For

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

If running without a valid license is considered an option, then there are ways to keep running VMS 7.3. Both a PAK generator and a set of pre-generated perpetual PAKs are floating around in dark corners of the internet. For strictly private use, odds are that HPE and VSI will pay just about as

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

VMS 4.x is an option for older VAXes, as it predates LMF. Of course the legality of doing that may still be an issue, but there's no technical challenge to running it. VMS 4.7 supported the MicroVAX-III, but I don't remember for sure if it'll work on the 3900 simulated by simh. Somebody

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

. From: Simh on behalf of Hunter Goatley Sent: March 7, 2020 7:38 PM To: simh@trailing-edge.com Cc: Gary Lee Phillips Subject: Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program On 3/7/2020 5:37 PM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: > Yes, quite important seems to be an understatement. HPE is dropp

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

On 3/7/2020 5:37 PM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: Yes, quite important seems to be an understatement. HPE is dropping the program, apparently because the OpenVMS product line is now the responsibility of VSI. But I can find no sign that VSI will continue the hobbyist license program in any form.

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

A comment from Usenet, from VSI: "The HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses we are issuing in 2020 will be the last set. Subsequently, HPE will not issue new HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses. Attached is the final set of the HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses. These final licenses are valid through December

Re: [Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

Yes, quite important seems to be an understatement. HPE is dropping the program, apparently because the OpenVMS product line is now the responsibility of VSI. But I can find no sign that VSI will continue the hobbyist license program in any form. Those of us with actual Alpha/Itanium/Vax hardware

[Simh] OpenVMS Hobbyist Program

Apologies if I missed this on the list, but it's quite important. -- Dear HPE OpenVMS hobbyist, This is to inform you that HPE is concluding the HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program in alignment with the HPE OpenVMS support