Re: [singularity] Uploaded p-zombies

2007-09-10 Thread Vladimir Nesov
Monday, September 10, 2007, Matt Mahoney wrote: MM --- Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intentionally don't want to exactly define what S is as it describes vaguely-defined 'subjective experience generator'. I instead leave it at description level. MM If you can't define what

Re: [singularity] Uploaded p-zombies

2007-09-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 10/09/07, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a final paradoxical example, if implementation Z is nothing, that is it comprises no matter and information ar all, there still is a correspondence function F(Z)=S which supposedly asserts that Z is X's upload. There can even be a

Re: [singularity] Uploaded p-zombies

2007-09-09 Thread Vladimir Nesov
Sunday, September 9, 2007, Matt Mahoney wrote: MM Also, Chalmers argues that a machine copy of your brain must be conscious. MM But he has the same instinct to believe in consciousness as everyone else. My MM claim is broader: that either a machine can be conscious or that consciousness MM

Re: [singularity] Uploaded p-zombies

2007-09-09 Thread Vladimir Nesov
Monday, September 10, 2007, Matt Mahoney wrote: MM Perhaps I misunderstand, but to make your argument more precise: MM X is an implementation of a mind, a Turing machine. No. The whole argument is about why turing machine-like implementation of uploaded brain doesn't seem to do the trick. X is

Re: [singularity] Uploaded p-zombies

2007-09-09 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intentionally don't want to exactly define what S is as it describes vaguely-defined 'subjective experience generator'. I instead leave it at description level. If you can't define what subjective experience is, then how do you know it exists? If

Re: [singularity] Uploaded p-zombies

2007-09-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 10/09/07, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intentionally don't want to exactly define what S is as it describes vaguely-defined 'subjective experience generator'. I instead leave it at description level. If you can't define what