Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread BillK
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Eric B. Ramsay wrote: It took Microsoft over 1000 engineers, $6 Billion and several years to make Vista. Will building an AGI be any less formidable? If the AGI effort is comparable, how can the relatively small efforts of Ben (comparatively speaking) and

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Thomas McCabe
On 3/16/08, Eric B. Ramsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took Microsoft over 1000 engineers, $6 Billion and several years to make Vista. Will building an AGI be any less formidable? If the AGI effort is comparable, how can the relatively small efforts of Ben (comparatively speaking) and others

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Thomas McCabe
On 3/16/08, Eric B. Ramsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two guys in a garage would never have built the bomb. The question is whether or not the two efforts are indeed comparable. Eric B. Ramsay You're right that software engineering is more amenable to startups than other kinds of work, but

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Panu Horsmalahti
Just because it takes thousands of programmers to create something as complex as Vista, does *not* mean that thousands of programmers are required to build an AGI, since one property of AGI is/can be that it will learn most of its complexity using algorithms programmed into it.

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Mar 16, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Eric B. Ramsay wrote: It took Microsoft over 1000 engineers, $6 Billion and several years to make Vista. Will building an AGI be any less formidable? If the AGI effort is comparable, how can the relatively small efforts of Ben (comparatively speaking) and

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Eric B. Ramsay
Lol. Calm down fella. You are going to give yourself a stroke. Eric B. Ramsay J. Andrew Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few people would define the developments task as hiring hundreds of engineers to do things like write device drivers and apps for defective Chinese silicon so that little

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Nathan Cravens
Hi Matt, Great topic here. Remember, the Manhattan Project didn't come about until everyone believed a global catastrophe was afoot. That kind of mentality seems to help bring people together to make amazing stuff, in that case explosive stuff. As narrow AI and robotics become more ubiquitous,

Re: [singularity] Vista/AGI

2008-03-16 Thread Richard Loosemore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to be careful with the phrase 'Manhattan-style project'. You are right. On previous occasions when this subject has come up I, at least, have referred to the idea as an Apollo Project, not a Manhattan Project. Richard Loosemore That was a military