Re: [Skim-app-users] Problem using SKIM on two computers
Well understood Christiaan, Thanks, Stephane > Le 16 janv. 2023 à 10:24, Christiaan Hofman a écrit : > > The extended attributes are file attributes. It depends on the file system > implementation exactly where they are saved, that cannot be controlled. It is > not a question of “saving in DropBox” (DropBox is not a location), but rather > whether DropBox copies the attributes (which nit doesn’t). Attributes are not > like separate files, so “save it in another folder” does not make sense. BTW, > in the current default format iCloud should preserve the Skim note attributes. > > Christiaan > >> On 16 Jan 2023, at 16:09, Stéphane Coudé wrote: >> >> Dear Thomas and Christiaan, thanks for you help !!! >> >> Actually, by activating the .skim file in the general setting (it was >> activated by default in the former version of SKIM) I solved my problem. >> Since the .skim file is saved at the same location as my .pdf file, which is >> in my Dropbox, both files are now saved on both computers. I just have to >> ensure that once I have finished working from one computer that I close the >> file. Then when I reopen it on my other computer, SKIM automatically detects >> that there is a .skim file related to my document and ask me if I want to >> integrate the notes from the .skim file. That way, I have access to my notes >> on both computers and I can update and modify them from both computers. >> >> Just a curiosity Christiaan, you are probably right about the fact that >> Dropbox doesn’t synchronize the extended attribute of the pdf files. It may >> be all depends on where that information is saved. Is there a way I can save >> such information in my Dropbox ? In other words, where is the extended >> attributes of the file are saved ? And can we decide to save it in another >> folder (that could be on my Dropbox as an example) ? >> >> Many thanks again, >> >> Stephane >> >>> Le 16 janv. 2023 à 04:36, Christiaan Hofman a écrit : >>> >>> >>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 02:07, Stéphane Coudé wrote: Hi, I have a desktop computer and a laptop (both recent Apple products purchased in 2022) and work on the same document from both computers. I have installed SKIM on both computers. But I recently have to work on a large document (more than 200 pages) and I have had the following problem : If I annotate my file with SKIM from my desktop computer, when I open the same document on my laptop, I cannot see my annotation anymore ??? My documents are saved and synchronized with Dropbox. I have been using SKIM for almost 10 years (great product by the way) on my previous computers, always with a desktop and a laptop computer for scientific reading annotation as well as scientific article review but not much during the last three years. Previously (I don’t remember from which version this change happened), every time I was creating annotation with SKIM on a document, it was creating a « .skim » file beside my original file. Therefore, it was easy to find my notes and to see it from any of my computers or even when I change computer. Considering the problem I have now by restarting doing such kind of work, I am concerned about that issue because when I will change my computers in the future, is that mean I will lose all my SKIM work ? Is anyone can please help me with that issue ? Thanks in advance, Stephane >>> >>> DropBox (probably) does not synchronize the extended attributes of the >>> files, where we save the Skim notes. So this will not work. You could >>> either save your PDFs as PDF bundles, which should synchronize them >>> properly. Or you can always save a .skim file backup of the notes (you can >>> set this in the General preferences), and synchronize that with the PDF. >>> (But be aware that changing notes on both systems may b=not be seen on the >>> other when you do this). Our you can synchronize files with embedded notes, >>> but that has other problems. See also the FAQ on the Wiki. >>> >>> Christiaan > > > > ___ > Skim-app-users mailing list > Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Problem using SKIM on two computers
The extended attributes are file attributes. It depends on the file system implementation exactly where they are saved, that cannot be controlled. It is not a question of “saving in DropBox” (DropBox is not a location), but rather whether DropBox copies the attributes (which nit doesn’t). Attributes are not like separate files, so “save it in another folder” does not make sense. BTW, in the current default format iCloud should preserve the Skim note attributes. Christiaan > On 16 Jan 2023, at 16:09, Stéphane Coudé wrote: > > Dear Thomas and Christiaan, thanks for you help !!! > > Actually, by activating the .skim file in the general setting (it was > activated by default in the former version of SKIM) I solved my problem. > Since the .skim file is saved at the same location as my .pdf file, which is > in my Dropbox, both files are now saved on both computers. I just have to > ensure that once I have finished working from one computer that I close the > file. Then when I reopen it on my other computer, SKIM automatically detects > that there is a .skim file related to my document and ask me if I want to > integrate the notes from the .skim file. That way, I have access to my notes > on both computers and I can update and modify them from both computers. > > Just a curiosity Christiaan, you are probably right about the fact that > Dropbox doesn’t synchronize the extended attribute of the pdf files. It may > be all depends on where that information is saved. Is there a way I can save > such information in my Dropbox ? In other words, where is the extended > attributes of the file are saved ? And can we decide to save it in another > folder (that could be on my Dropbox as an example) ? > > Many thanks again, > > Stephane > >> Le 16 janv. 2023 à 04:36, Christiaan Hofman a écrit : >> >> >> >>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 02:07, Stéphane Coudé wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a desktop computer and a laptop (both recent Apple products >>> purchased in 2022) and work on the same document from both computers. I >>> have installed SKIM on both computers. But I recently have to work on a >>> large document (more than 200 pages) and I have had the following problem : >>> >>> If I annotate my file with SKIM from my desktop computer, when I open the >>> same document on my laptop, I cannot see my annotation anymore ??? >>> My documents are saved and synchronized with Dropbox. >>> >>> I have been using SKIM for almost 10 years (great product by the way) on my >>> previous computers, always with a desktop and a laptop computer for >>> scientific reading annotation as well as scientific article review but not >>> much during the last three years. Previously (I don’t remember from which >>> version this change happened), every time I was creating annotation with >>> SKIM on a document, it was creating a « .skim » file beside my original >>> file. Therefore, it was easy to find my notes and to see it from any of my >>> computers or even when I change computer. Considering the problem I have >>> now by restarting doing such kind of work, I am concerned about that issue >>> because when I will change my computers in the future, is that mean I will >>> lose all my SKIM work ? >>> >>> Is anyone can please help me with that issue ? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Stephane >> >> DropBox (probably) does not synchronize the extended attributes of the >> files, where we save the Skim notes. So this will not work. You could either >> save your PDFs as PDF bundles, which should synchronize them properly. Or >> you can always save a .skim file backup of the notes (you can set this in >> the General preferences), and synchronize that with the PDF. (But be aware >> that changing notes on both systems may b=not be seen on the other when you >> do this). Our you can synchronize files with embedded notes, but that has >> other problems. See also the FAQ on the Wiki. >> >> Christiaan ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Problem using SKIM on two computers
Dear Thomas and Christiaan, thanks for you help !!! Actually, by activating the .skim file in the general setting (it was activated by default in the former version of SKIM) I solved my problem. Since the .skim file is saved at the same location as my .pdf file, which is in my Dropbox, both files are now saved on both computers. I just have to ensure that once I have finished working from one computer that I close the file. Then when I reopen it on my other computer, SKIM automatically detects that there is a .skim file related to my document and ask me if I want to integrate the notes from the .skim file. That way, I have access to my notes on both computers and I can update and modify them from both computers. Just a curiosity Christiaan, you are probably right about the fact that Dropbox doesn’t synchronize the extended attribute of the pdf files. It may be all depends on where that information is saved. Is there a way I can save such information in my Dropbox ? In other words, where is the extended attributes of the file are saved ? And can we decide to save it in another folder (that could be on my Dropbox as an example) ? Many thanks again, Stephane > Le 16 janv. 2023 à 04:36, Christiaan Hofman a écrit : > > > >> On 16 Jan 2023, at 02:07, Stéphane Coudé wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a desktop computer and a laptop (both recent Apple products purchased >> in 2022) and work on the same document from both computers. I have installed >> SKIM on both computers. But I recently have to work on a large document >> (more than 200 pages) and I have had the following problem : >> >> If I annotate my file with SKIM from my desktop computer, when I open the >> same document on my laptop, I cannot see my annotation anymore ??? >> My documents are saved and synchronized with Dropbox. >> >> I have been using SKIM for almost 10 years (great product by the way) on my >> previous computers, always with a desktop and a laptop computer for >> scientific reading annotation as well as scientific article review but not >> much during the last three years. Previously (I don’t remember from which >> version this change happened), every time I was creating annotation with >> SKIM on a document, it was creating a « .skim » file beside my original >> file. Therefore, it was easy to find my notes and to see it from any of my >> computers or even when I change computer. Considering the problem I have now >> by restarting doing such kind of work, I am concerned about that issue >> because when I will change my computers in the future, is that mean I will >> lose all my SKIM work ? >> >> Is anyone can please help me with that issue ? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Stephane > > DropBox (probably) does not synchronize the extended attributes of the files, > where we save the Skim notes. So this will not work. You could either save > your PDFs as PDF bundles, which should synchronize them properly. Or you can > always save a .skim file backup of the notes (you can set this in the General > preferences), and synchronize that with the PDF. (But be aware that changing > notes on both systems may b=not be seen on the other when you do this). Our > you can synchronize files with embedded notes, but that has other problems. > See also the FAQ on the Wiki. > > Christiaan > > ___ > Skim-app-users mailing list > Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Skim notes in XML plist format ?
Got it — thanks! On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 7:28 PM Christiaan Hofman wrote: > > > On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:15, Mark Roberts wrote: > > As always, I'm happy to be Skimming PDFs ! > > Recently, I have been working on some scripts to extract information from > my Skim notes. > > For this, I use: > > skimnotes get -format plist xyz.pdf | plutil -convert xml1 -o xyz.pdf > - > > ...to get XML files, and it seems to work fine. > > In the release notes to the latest update of the skimnotes framework, I > notice "Allow Skim notes in XML plist format". > > Is this another way to generate XML? How does it work? If I use this > feature, what happens with any existing .skim files? > > Thanks! > > M > > > No, it just says that when you attach skim notes (e.g. using skimnotes > set) and the notes are in xml format rather than binary plist, we are able > to read them. So it is for the opposite action. > > Christiaan > > ___ > Skim-app-users mailing list > Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users > ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Skim notes in XML plist format ?
> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:15, Mark Roberts wrote: > > As always, I'm happy to be Skimming PDFs ! > > Recently, I have been working on some scripts to extract information from my > Skim notes. > > For this, I use: > > skimnotes get -format plist xyz.pdf | plutil -convert xml1 -o xyz.pdf - > > ...to get XML files, and it seems to work fine. > > In the release notes to the latest update of the skimnotes framework, I > notice "Allow Skim notes in XML plist format". > > Is this another way to generate XML? How does it work? If I use this feature, > what happens with any existing .skim files? > > Thanks! > > M No, it just says that when you attach skim notes (e.g. using skimnotes set) and the notes are in xml format rather than binary plist, we are able to read them. So it is for the opposite action. Christiaan ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
[Skim-app-users] Skim notes in XML plist format ?
As always, I'm happy to be Skimming PDFs ! Recently, I have been working on some scripts to extract information from my Skim notes. For this, I use: skimnotes get -format plist xyz.pdf | plutil -convert xml1 -o xyz.pdf - ...to get XML files, and it seems to work fine. In the release notes to the latest update of the skimnotes framework, I notice "Allow Skim notes in XML plist format". Is this another way to generate XML? How does it work? If I use this feature, what happens with any existing .skim files? Thanks! M ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
Re: [Skim-app-users] Problem using SKIM on two computers
> On 16 Jan 2023, at 02:07, Stéphane Coudé wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a desktop computer and a laptop (both recent Apple products purchased > in 2022) and work on the same document from both computers. I have installed > SKIM on both computers. But I recently have to work on a large document (more > than 200 pages) and I have had the following problem : > > If I annotate my file with SKIM from my desktop computer, when I open the > same document on my laptop, I cannot see my annotation anymore ??? > My documents are saved and synchronized with Dropbox. > > I have been using SKIM for almost 10 years (great product by the way) on my > previous computers, always with a desktop and a laptop computer for > scientific reading annotation as well as scientific article review but not > much during the last three years. Previously (I don’t remember from which > version this change happened), every time I was creating annotation with SKIM > on a document, it was creating a « .skim » file beside my original file. > Therefore, it was easy to find my notes and to see it from any of my > computers or even when I change computer. Considering the problem I have now > by restarting doing such kind of work, I am concerned about that issue > because when I will change my computers in the future, is that mean I will > lose all my SKIM work ? > > Is anyone can please help me with that issue ? > > Thanks in advance, > > Stephane DropBox (probably) does not synchronize the extended attributes of the files, where we save the Skim notes. So this will not work. You could either save your PDFs as PDF bundles, which should synchronize them properly. Or you can always save a .skim file backup of the notes (you can set this in the General preferences), and synchronize that with the PDF. (But be aware that changing notes on both systems may b=not be seen on the other when you do this). Our you can synchronize files with embedded notes, but that has other problems. See also the FAQ on the Wiki. Christiaan ___ Skim-app-users mailing list Skim-app-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users
