Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> It is no use to wait a great consensus. Without exception, I have never met someone who was reluctant to volunteer someone else's time. I think this is unfortunate. I'd rather we were as reluctant to urge other people to commit their time and effort to a project as we are to commit our own.

Re: [Sks-devel] A brief recap

2019-02-06 Thread Tobias Frei
Additional note: Even when restricting append-only mode to the email field, someone could upload keys for krypton...@domain.org to permanently store the word "kryptonite" in the database. Also, one could use the first characters of key IDs to store information, linking the keys together as

Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Gabor Kiss
> There are a handful of people with the background and skills to write a > next-generation keyserver. I looked into it a dozen years ago and wrote > up a whitepaper on it. I know Phil Pennock has put a lot of thought > into it. Andrew, likewise. There are easily five or six people on this >

Re: [Sks-devel] Excessive use of /var/lib/sks/DB/log.*

2019-02-06 Thread Todd Fleisher
This sounds like you are missing the recommended DB_CONFIG values to prevent your server from holding into those log files when an issue is encountered. As I recall, the fix is to start over from scratch and rebuild after first putting that file in place. It is covered in the list archives and

Re: [Sks-devel] Quick and dirty test

2019-02-06 Thread Todd Fleisher
FYI - that site generates an untrusted ssl certificate warning and after acknowledging that I get an error that the site couldn't be found on dreamboat. Sent from the Fleishphone > On Feb 6, 2019, at 19:15, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Kiss Gabor (Bitman) dijo [Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 07:56:32PM

Re: [Sks-devel] Quick and dirty test

2019-02-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Kiss Gabor (Bitman) dijo [Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 07:56:32PM +0100]: > Hi folks, > > It is funny but one of my peer partners did not notice that his server > is dead since a few months. :-) > > So I just show anyone who is interested in it how a simple but effective > cron job warns me if my server

[Sks-devel] Excessive use of /var/lib/sks/DB/log.*

2019-02-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hello, Since a couple of days ago, I have noticed an incredible growth in space usage (so much it has killed my server twice, hitting partition limits). Since February 3rd, I have over 4000 files with binary-only contents (could find no meaningful information in them) called /var/lib/sks/DB/log.

Re: [Sks-devel] A brief recap

2019-02-06 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> I disagree that we have to do a trade off, mostly for technical > reasons. Let's call forbidden information 'kryptonite'. Kryptonite is bad stuff. We don't want it on moral grounds or legal grounds. We would rather shut down keyservers than have kryptonite on our systems. We then have three

Re: [Sks-devel] A brief recap

2019-02-06 Thread Daniel Roesler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I disagree that we have to do a trade off, mostly for technical reasons. The append-only database and gossip protocol only cares about public key data, not additional key packet data (e.g. emails, signatures, photos, etc.). So, it's entirely

Re: [Sks-devel] Unusual traffic for key 0x69D2EAD9 and 0xB33B4659

2019-02-06 Thread Todd Fleisher
I also applied these configuration options earlier today to all the servers in 1 of my pools that was experiencing high IO load and repeated SigAlarms: command_timeout: 600 wserver_timeout: 30 max_recover: 150 And since then, everything has been quiet: IO on the main node that gossips

[Sks-devel] A brief recap

2019-02-06 Thread Robert J. Hansen
To spare us all diving through list archives: The keyserver network is in a lot of ways like a blockchain. In both cases they are distributed ledgers where any change to the ledger is propagated through to everyone with a copy of the ledger. (Blockchain differs by adding more cryptographic

Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Is it possible to develop a keyserver thar uses the same interface as > the current one? Sort of. > Meaning that GnuPG-Clients don't need to change Yes. > and current keyservers can recon with the new keyservers (since they > are not all upgraded simultaniously)? No. Keyserver

Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Martin Dobrev
Hi On 06/02/2019 19:28, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> If only it were open-source software and individuals with the extra time >> and talent to work on those design flaws were able to do so. Wouldn't >> that be a great world to live in? > Wouldn't it be great if people were to think before snarking?

Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Andrew Gallagher
> On 6 Feb 2019, at 23:15, robots.txt fan wrote: > > To answer my first question, I guess that it is possible to implement a > keyserver with the same interface for GPG users that can still recon with > older servers. The older servers might try to send them keys that are on the > blacklist

[Sks-devel] sks.powdarrmonkey.net is not returning

2019-02-06 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi, sks.powdarrmonkey.net has not been gossipping properly for a while because of resource constraints. I have decided that it's not worth my while reviving it every few weeks while the network find itself in such turmoil. I only regret that I'm not in a position to offer a solution to some of

Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Matthew Walster
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019, 20:28 Robert J. Hansen > It's a lack of community consensus on what a redesign should look like. > And, might I add, the desire for our efforts not to be ruined by others "proving a point" rather than actors actually seeking malicious intent. I've abandoned my keyserver, and

Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 2/6/2019 11:26 AM, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > On 06/02/2019 13:11, Steffen Kaiser wrote: >> Is it meant litterally? The current SKS project is end of life and, >> effectively, we have to look into another direction? Other software, new >> fork with rewrite? > I said "effectively", not

Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 06/02/2019 13:11, Steffen Kaiser wrote: > Is it meant litterally? The current SKS project is end of life and, > effectively, we have to look into another direction? Other software, new > fork with rewrite? I said "effectively", not literally. And I was in a grumpy mood that day. But I stand by

Re: [Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Tobias Frei
Hi, Isn't Mozilla Thunderbird in a similar state? I'm still happily using it *because* it has reached a point where further updates are rarely needed. Best regards Tobias Frei On Wed, Feb 6, 2019, 14:22 Steffen Kaiser wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I picked up

[Sks-devel] "SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point"?

2019-02-06 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I picked up this sentence here on the list in a thread about poison key(s): "> Any chance that sks will be fixed some day? "Short answer, no. SKS is effectively running as end-of-life software at this point. It gets emergency bugfixes but little

Re: [Sks-devel] Unusual traffic for key 0x69D2EAD9 and 0xB33B4659

2019-02-06 Thread Rolf Wuerdemann
With your suggestions: load average below 1 Traffic: ~150G/day Best, Rolf Am 2019-02-04 12:52, schrieb Martin Dobrev: Hi, I've spent last week trying to optimize configuration as much as possible. Following advise from a previous mail I've added: command_timeout: 600 wserver_timeout: