Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-22 Thread mark adrian bell
--- On Sat, 21/11/09, Dean Hamstead d...@fragfest.com.au wrote: This seems rather pointless when you can install a chroot 32bit system and run 32bits apps in it, or set up the ia32-libs see http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-22 Thread mark adrian bell
--- On Sat, 21/11/09, Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net wrote: Out of curiosity, what convinces you to keep using Vuescan rather than getting SANE to talk to your scanner, providing an open source derived set of drivers? (...or is it a lack of open drivers for the hardware?)        

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-21 Thread Dean Hamstead
I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. I confess that I still dual boot 32-bit for one legacy application: Vuescan. But with enough tinkering with ia32-lib or VirtualBox, I bet I could get it to work. It used to work on 64-bit Intrepid.

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-21 Thread db
on x86_64 is that a python issue or a variable size issue ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-21 Thread Daniel Pittman
Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net writes: On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:00 +0800, jam wrote: On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: otherwise, 32bit is better. Pray wax lyrical Memory footprint. For instance, bzr memory use under 32-bit builds of python is

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-21 Thread jam
On Saturday 21 November 2009 21:37:14 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. I confess that I still dual boot 32-bit for one legacy application: Vuescan. But with enough tinkering with ia32-lib or

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-20 Thread mark adrian bell
I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. I confess that I still dual boot 32-bit for one legacy application: Vuescan. But with enough tinkering with ia32-lib or VirtualBox, I bet I could get it to work. It used to work on 64-bit Intrepid.

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-20 Thread Daniel Pittman
mark adrian bell m487...@rocketmail.com writes: I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. I confess that I still dual boot 32-bit for one legacy application: Vuescan. But with enough tinkering with ia32-lib or VirtualBox, I bet I could get

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Richard Ibbotson
On Thursday 19 Nov 2009 05:23:33 Amos Shapira wrote: I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. What's the collective wisdom/experience on the list? Is it worth moving to 64-bit or should I stay away? Works for me for the past two years with

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/11/19 Richard Ibbotson richard.ibbot...@gmail.com: On Thursday 19 Nov 2009 05:23:33 Amos Shapira wrote: I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether  it's worth moving to 64-bit. What's the collective wisdom/experience on the list? Is it worth moving to 64-bit or

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Jake Anderson
Amos Shapira wrote: Hi, I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. It'll have 4Gb RAM, which should be enough for my work needs. Skype is an absolute must. I use the system for mostly browsing/ssh/thunderbird (managing a few dozens of remote

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread justin randell
hi, On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. It'll have 4Gb RAM, which should be enough for my work needs. Skype is an absolute must. I use the system for

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Robert Collins
FWIW, the things that affect me using 64 bit on a given machine are: more than 3GB of RAM or need more than 2GB in a single process or doing 64 bit math (nb this isn't strict, you can get at the opcode in 32-bit installs, just requires effort) or want to do 64 bit port testing/development - 64bit

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread jam
On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: 32bit is dead Not on subnotebooks. It'll have 4Gb RAM, which should be enough for my work needs. Which is a good enough reason to move to 64 bit. If you want to address more than 2GB of RAM in a single process reliably

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread jam
On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: FWIW, the things that affect me using 64 bit on a given machine are: more than 3GB of RAM or need more than 2GB in a single process or doing 64 bit math (nb this isn't strict, you can get at the opcode in 32-bit installs,

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread david
jam wrote: performance differences are yawn and it depends on what you are doing in particular things like video editing with lots of ram (or ltsp server) do much better with 64bit clean memory handling. For what it's worth, my disgusting-useless-never-buy-another Asus boots much faster

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:00 +0800, jam wrote: On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: otherwise, 32bit is better. Pray wax lyrical Memory footprint. For instance, bzr memory use under 32-bit builds of python is less than half that of the same workload on 64-bit

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Dean Hamstead
The lesson here may be not to use python :) Dean Robert Collins wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:00 +0800, jam wrote: On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: otherwise, 32bit is better. Pray wax lyrical Memory footprint. For instance, bzr memory use under

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Daniel Pittman
Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net writes: On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:00 +0800, jam wrote: On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: otherwise, 32bit is better. Pray wax lyrical Memory footprint. For instance, bzr memory use under 32-bit builds of python is

[SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-18 Thread Amos Shapira
Hi, I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. It'll have 4Gb RAM, which should be enough for my work needs. Skype is an absolute must. I use the system for mostly browsing/ssh/thunderbird (managing a few dozens of remote CentOS 5 servers), I

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-18 Thread Dean Hamstead
32bit is dead flash works perfectly (linux vs windows aside) in 64bit and has done for ages. by default the gpl flash is installed, youll just need to install the nonfree adobe flash package and use update-alternatives to make sure its selected as your flash plugin. any archaic and

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-18 Thread Del
Dean Hamstead wrote: 32bit is dead Not on subnotebooks. It'll have 4Gb RAM, which should be enough for my work needs. Which is a good enough reason to move to 64 bit. If you want to address more than 2GB of RAM in a single process reliably (i.e. without using odd memory addressing