[Fwd: Re: [SLUG] IOWait definition]

2008-10-08 Thread Grant Street



I have a machine with a good proportion of IOWait 20-30%. It does have
local disks and it performs operations on NFS mounts. I just wanted to
be sure if IOWait includes NFS activity or not. I also want a way if it
is NFS to be able to say for sure if it is a bottleneck on the nfs 
client or server. NFS is not a linux machine so visibility is not 
allways the best.


Grant

Daniel Pittman wrote:

Grant Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction for
some doco?


I don't know of any, but ...


I'm finding it hard to get a definition of what constitutes IOWait.
I know that IOwait is CPU time waiting for IO to happen to physical local
disks, but I'm unsure about the following scenarios and if they contribute to
IOWait:


Not quite.  IOWait is a *software* state, indicating that a process or
thread is blocked waiting for I/O to complete.

This is different from CPU time waiting for ... in that it implies the
software is making no progress, but *NOT* that your CPU is spending
cycles working on it.[1]


- CPU time waiting for an NFS read/write to occur


Yes, along with more or less any other disk I/O that happens to be run
over the network -- as long as it is synchronous, and something is
waiting on it.


- CPU time waiting for a network buffer to be read/written to. eg waiting for
  a full buffer to clear.


Generally not.  I am not certain about blocking on a full buffer
condition for sending data, but not for blocking while reading.


- Anything else??


Any other synchronous disk I/O, certainly.  Probably certain other,
related, conditions where the kernel developers feel that the process is
blocked on I/O.


PS. How do you set/query the network buffers in Linux?


Via the socket fcntl / ioctl interface, or via the sysctls in
/proc/sys/net, which are documented in the standard Linux kernel sysctl
documentation.


All that said, you might want to tell us why you are asking, not just
what, since I suspect there is a question about why you have so much
IOWait time on your system, or poor performance?

Regards,
Daniel

Footnotes: 
[1]  It does, technically, spend a few in terms of submitting and

 completing the I/O before it wakes up the blocked process, and
 various I/O devices need babysitting, but the principal is sound. ;)





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[SLUG] Requesting IPv6 address space

2008-10-08 Thread Jeremy Visser
G'day SLUG,

I'm a small-time WordPress hacker, Linux user, and Cert IV IT student
that has recently got interested in IPv6. Currently, I'm setting up
(read: breaking) our home network with some random address space I've
stolen by making up the numbers. Obviously, our home network is
non-routable from the Internet.

I'd actually like to get my hands on a small chunk of address space
that I could play with and make my own. Unfortunately, according to
the APNIC website:

If my organisation becomes a member, will there be any other
charges for IP addresses?
 - The first time a member requests IP address space, there is a
one time only IP resource application fee of AU$3,169.

$3,169 is $3,169 too much to just play around with IPv6. What I want
is to find some kind of program that provides students with small
chunks of addresses, but I don't really know where to start looking.

Cheers,
Jeremy.

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Re: [SLUG] Requesting IPv6 address space

2008-10-08 Thread Ben
ask on WhirlPool.

I think getting your own addresses for permanent use will be expensive
and likely technically unfeasible, but you should be able to get an
ISP to sort you out with some.

I know Internode's network is fully IPv6 compliant, but not everyone's
is, so if you're looking to route to stuff you're doing at home then
make sure your provider can handle it properly.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Jeremy Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day SLUG,

 I'm a small-time WordPress hacker, Linux user, and Cert IV IT student
 that has recently got interested in IPv6. Currently, I'm setting up
 (read: breaking) our home network with some random address space I've
 stolen by making up the numbers. Obviously, our home network is
 non-routable from the Internet.

 I'd actually like to get my hands on a small chunk of address space
 that I could play with and make my own. Unfortunately, according to
 the APNIC website:

If my organisation becomes a member, will there be any other
 charges for IP addresses?
 - The first time a member requests IP address space, there is a
 one time only IP resource application fee of AU$3,169.

 $3,169 is $3,169 too much to just play around with IPv6. What I want
 is to find some kind of program that provides students with small
 chunks of addresses, but I don't really know where to start looking.

 Cheers,
 Jeremy.

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[SLUG] atom processor

2008-10-08 Thread Geoffrey Cowling
Both the 701 and 1000 series can run Breezy (Puppy Linux variant)
from an SD card.  Minimal desktop, but quite usable.

Geoffrey


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 From: Dion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: slug@slug.org.au
 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:19:08 +0800
 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Atom Processor - what distro works?
 Osaka! I am envious!

 I believe, the latest kernels support the Atom processor very well. I can't 
 see why a distro would need to explicitly support it. Any x86 distro should 
 work, as long as the kernel recognises the atom.

 Are they selling the dual core atoms in mini-itx mobos now?

 Have fun.
 D.
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Re: [SLUG] Requesting IPv6 address space

2008-10-08 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008, Jeremy Visser wrote:
 $3,169 is $3,169 too much to just play around with IPv6. What I want
 is to find some kind of program that provides students with small
 chunks of addresses, but I don't really know where to start looking.

You could check with the tunnel brokers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers

-Mary
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [SLUG] IOWait definition]

2008-10-08 Thread David Kempe

Grant Street wrote:



I have a machine with a good proportion of IOWait 20-30%. It does have
local disks and it performs operations on NFS mounts. I just wanted to
be sure if IOWait includes NFS activity or not. I also want a way if it
is NFS to be able to say for sure if it is a bottleneck on the nfs 
client or server. NFS is not a linux machine so visibility is not 
allways the best.



dstat might help you correlate stuff.
http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/dstat/

dave
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Re: [SLUG] Requesting IPv6 address space

2008-10-08 Thread Christopher Vance
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 08, 2008, Jeremy Visser wrote:
 $3,169 is $3,169 too much to just play around with IPv6. What I want
 is to find some kind of program that provides students with small
 chunks of addresses, but I don't really know where to start looking.

 You could check with the tunnel brokers:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers

 -Mary

If you only want internal addresses you could use a random /48 out
fd00::5 (see rfc4193).

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Re: [SLUG] Requesting IPv6 address space

2008-10-08 Thread Christopher Vance
 If you only want internal addresses you could use a random /48 out
 fd00::5 (see rfc4193).

Oops, its /8.

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Re: [SLUG] Requesting IPv6 address space

2008-10-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
Jeremy Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm a small-time WordPress hacker, Linux user, and Cert IV IT student
 that has recently got interested in IPv6. Currently, I'm setting up
 (read: breaking) our home network with some random address space I've
 stolen by making up the numbers.

Why on earth are you doing that rather than something sane, such as
using the IP space deliberately and purposefully allocated for the
purpose of operating private, non-routable networks?

(Alternately, you might want to revisit how you present this so you
 /don't/ look like the goons who allocate random chunks of live Internet
 addressable space for their internal network, then complain that life
 is difficult because the Internet isn't fully accessible.)

[...]

 I'd actually like to get my hands on a small chunk of address space
 that I could play with and make my own. Unfortunately, according to
 the APNIC website:

 If my organisation becomes a member, will there be any other
 charges for IP addresses?
  - The first time a member requests IP address space, there is a
 one time only IP resource application fee of AU$3,169.

 $3,169 is $3,169 too much to just play around with IPv6.

So, do what you are supposed to do and obtain address space from your
service provider.  That means, right now, a tunnel broker -- the
Internode broker, if you are their customer, or one of the other
brokers.

 What I want is to find some kind of program that provides students
 with small chunks of addresses, but I don't really know where to start
 looking.

Your ISP, since if you are too small to pay for your own address space
you are to small to have it globally routed anyway.

Regards,
Daniel
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Re: [SLUG] Comp TIA+ / CLP

2008-10-08 Thread Ken Wilson

Have you checked out Geoffrey Robinson at Grandville TAFE.
His courses are not official TAFE courses so you wont find them on TAFE 
websites, but he manages to keep them cheap by having them as electrical 
engineering certificate courses. This means official TAFE cannot tell 
you about them.


http://www.gonzo.edu.au/moodle/
has information.

Ken


Blindraven wrote:

Some of the issues I am having is how much of any given subject in the LPI
in a nutshell I need to know.
It starts off with pretty intense Hardware stuff and I was under the
impression that it was a different field altogether. I can see why it's
relative but I certainly was not expecting it.

A course would be my best option, one that doesn't cost me an arm and a leg.
I.e one that does not yet exist.

That, or someone/people that live close by that want to a form a study
group.
-  I may just post this idea and hope there are those that are keen.

Tony.

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Morgan Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Last I looked in my VUE page you can book the exams at any VUE testing
centre too.

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Martin Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:
In order to sit for the LPIC 101 and 102 exams basically used  the LPI
Linux
Certification in a Nutshell  book from O'Reilly -
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005283/ as well as the exam prep
material
from https://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_1

Regards, Martin
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Re: [SLUG] Comp TIA+ / CLP

2008-10-08 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008, Ken Wilson wrote:
 http://www.gonzo.edu.au/moodle/
 has information.

That website is a full year out of date (it's about the 2007 courses).
Anyone know what's up in 2008 and 2009?

-Mary
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[SLUG] Digital Media Festival Program

2008-10-08 Thread Craig Warner
*Open Source at Digital Media Festival Program

Rangi Sutton, Founder Kanuka Studio

Kanuka Studio is an artist-owned and operated animation and visual effects
boutique based in Brisbane, Australia, the only CG/VFX studio in Australia
to specialise in the Houdini 3D pipeline. Hear about how Houdini and a
variety of Free Open Source software are used to create an integrated
environment from founder Rangi Sutton, a senior visual effects artist with a
portfolio sourced at many studios around the globe.*


http://www.digitalmedia.com.au/node/1168
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