From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... or is it awfully quiet regarding the F3J world
championships?
My previous response didn't seem to go to the list, so...
Well done to all the F3J participants, from wherever. It was exciting following
the F3J, even though the only news was
From: Jim McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]It is my understanding that at the conclusion of
today's flying the preliminary rounds will be complete. If that is correct
than the USA Juniors have won the team championship.Hooray for our Juniors!Both Joe W and Tom
Kiesling are battling it out for a
From: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow! New scores up on the site:
6th place - Joe Wurts
11th place - Tom Kiesling
Even though we can see only the scores and pix, it's exciting to follow.
The Canadians, Yanks, Germans, Czechs and Aussies each have two
From: David Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good luck with the girlfriends. In
1963, Jimmy Soul had a #1 hit with some interesting advice along those
lines.
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Which said:
If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty women your wife
Go for my
From: Mark Drela [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If we were all launching on 12v winches with correspondingly lighter lines,
the light 2m gliders would likely be competitive with the 3m ships,
because the 2m ships would launch higher. Their maneuverability
and lower speeds on landing is another advantage.
From: Douglas, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Be careful launching the Allegro - it has a weakness that I've seen and
heard of from a couple flyers: it's not winchproof when faced with
negative G's.
Mine isn't built-up, it's composite. I've been launching the hell out of it for
4
From: Blaine Beron-Rawdon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a tendency for R/E models to pitch up when a turn is
initiated due to gyroscopic precession...
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Would it do any good to rake the rudder hinge line forward to counteract this?
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From: Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A small fin in front of a huge stab. They
should have done it the other way around.
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That's a free-flighter for ya.
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- Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]just had to show you guys this beauty from Don Peters.http://www.git-r-built.com/imagemgr/gallery.asp?action="">===It is a beauty, isn't it?!
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From: Jeff Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cody Remington 2nd (Junior)
Joe Newcomb 4th (Junior)
With 2 juniors in the top 5 the world will have a tough time in the future
--
Ya know, that is really a great sign for our sport. The U.S. also
From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would take note that the Organic was the 2m ship prior to this year. At
the Nats, there has never been any ship with greater numbers than the 2M
Duck. The Organic in many areas holds sway cause of it's availablility, and
it is a decent ship, but Ducks
From: Paul Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Was anyone flying the Mark Drela designed Aegea 2M at the NATS?
The design for the Aegea 2M was posted to the Allegro-Lite group in
August 2002, so it seems to be contemporaneous with the Mantis 2M the
Organic 2M.
Yep, the Aegea, which in part
From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...the dominant design utilized by the top ten
finishers was the venerable Duck...
A very fine post in its entirety, Jim. 2-Meters is a world unto itself, and
when good flyers go at it, it's a very worthwhile event. You have to launch to
the moon, then
The coolest builtup kit by far is the EZBD from Polecat Aero. Download the
manual - it's impressive! Many on this list can vouch for the plane; it's the
new world of RES.
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Ah, takes me back. When I lived in England I bought a foam-and-obeche slope
soare. Never flew it there, but flew it off the towline a couple of times here.
Then I built an Olympic 99 (not an Oly II, the real old-timer with the 6409
airfoil). Fabulous plane, required minimal pilot interference.
From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can still fly small fast planes but only by keeping them close
enough to see which doesn't work too well for thermal soaring tasks.
===
I know what ya mean, Chuck. My idea of flying a small plane is hovering my
electric in the
Last weekend I got to see a Soprano, the RES plane distributed by Isthmus
Models. It looks like an Ava, Danny or whatever, but as flown by Mark Nankivil,
it gobbled up the Avas in the OVSS competition; it seemed to float just as
well, and penetrated much better. It was not an RES day. The wind
A couple of years ago I sent some members of this list a scoring spreadsheet I
had written for TD contests. Now I can't find the doggoned file, and I wonder
if anybody here has a copy they can send me?
Tony Estep
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But how about if all the other conversations are
being held above 20khz or below 20hz??
Does sheer power on other frequencies swamp the front end of a
receiver? Shouldn't we see more evidence of this at the launch area?
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Up or
From: Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For desense to occur, the signals don't even have to be in the same
band. For example, in my car the FM radio (88-108 MHz) signal gets
noticibly quieter when I transmit on my 144 MHZ ham radio.
Same thing happens in my
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]The above is of course only a guess...Yep. Perhaps some of the engineers in the group could provide some factual info.
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Cc: Soaring@airage.com
Actually Tony, what I stated are actual...heaven forbid...facts, as I prefer to
speak from a position of first-hand knowledge and experience rather than
hearsay.
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Yep. The guesswork Gordy was referring
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I was flying at about 50 feet of altitude along the tree line at the west end
of the field when the plane did an immediate vertical dive into the ground with
no possibility of recovery. When I walked out to get the
From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The shirts are really KOOL, Lots of color and a pocket for the ol stopwatch.
The colors are brilliant! Get a great-looking, flashy shirt and support your
team at the same time!
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A promising technology for guys like me is at
http://www.ophthonix.com/technology/vision-opt.asp
The lenses described supposedly will be available soon. Hope so.
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What if you could get a pair of glasses that would double the
- Original Message From: Paul Rickie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: soaring@airage.com From: Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] "This is Gordy's best post yet, on ANY subject!" tk Guess that is how the cookie crumbles! --ppc =Paul, Tom wasn't talking about the cookie
--- Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Though I do disagree with Martin on one thing -- I certainly do
believe that an R/C plane could seriously damage a full scale plane.
A two-pound object hitting something at 100 mph? Sorta like having a
king-size catsup bottle dropped on you from a
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where am I at the end of 4 rounds...70th
Just remember, Gordy -- Not everybody can fly well, but all can eat well.
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if you can't fly well, you can eat well
There's a message there for all of us.
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You can get long music wire from www.smallparts.com, or from any piano
tuner. I got a huge roll from an on-line piano parts company, a
lifetime supply for sixteen bucks if I recall right.
I later found it was easier to get stainless-steel leader wire from
Bass Pro Shop. It's not as stiff as music
In the past I have used .014 pre-preg for the upper spar and
.007 for the lower.
For a plane the size of the Challenger, these thicknesses are about 1/3
of what is actually needed. Use .042 on top and .021 on the bottom.
Ideally, placing the CF in the middle of the upper spar would
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the small things like wearing the I beat Gordy badge after
the F3J event
A badge that was earned by 84% of eligible F3J entrants. The remaining
16% are condemned to listen to Gordy's advice until next year.
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Now people have to tryto get around how bad they fly, compared to
other flyers, by using rulesto make up for inadequacies.
Nothing new there...
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The scores of the 2005 Gateway Open are now posted at:
www.mvsaclub.com
Congratulations once again to Brian Smith, who beat three-peat champ
Jim Frickey and a bunch of other strong fliers for the high score of
the weekend. Brian won Saturday's contest, Jim won Sunday's.
Marc Gellart and former
.
Tony Estep
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The 549 lists for $109, the 649 for $159. Four of them have crystals
for channel 53, one of the 549s has a crystal for channel 18.
Same price as before, $300 for all five.
Tony Estep
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--- Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom won first place at the Toledo Expo Show with his Sky Bench Sky
Bird.
Tom is a terrific craftsman. I believe he won that award once before
with his beautiful Challenger, which he flew that year at the MVSA
Gateway Open. He also is a former winner of
Yup. Based on emails I've received, many/most Ava flyers keep 5 to 8 oz. permanently in the plane. It's nice to have a light plane for landings if the wind has a low and consistent velocity, but there's not much advantage otherwise. At last month's Gateway Open the low-level save of the day was
You can't get a 53Mhz TX module from Airtronics or probably anyone
else.
Well, I got a 53.2 TX module from JR for my 10x, no problem, shipped
right from stock. And I have many FMA receivers on 53.2. However, if I
had it to do over I might have chosen a frequency in the 50 Mhz range.
You are
The weather at the sod farm was perfect: blue skies, puffy clouds, temp
about 80, winds 10 knots. Twenty-seven fliers from nine states battled
for Gateway Open honors.
Seven rounds with a total time of ninety-two minutes (yep, that's 92
minutes). The rounds were: 10, 10, 12, 20, 15, 15, and 10.
Telescoping but short and tested to show that it actually has
better output than the stock full size.
This comes up from time to time. A manufacturer who makes such a claim
has to be viewed with suspicion.
One antenna can show gain over another only in two ways: One was is by
producing a
--- James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... a twin turbo Corvette
pulling a Busa. Yea, the bike grabs a few car lengths early, but
the Vette easily runs right past him.
When I was a kid I once rode a BSA 650 in the time trials at a nearby
drag strip (Alton Raceway, long gone now). In
Am I missing something?
yes.
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We have been sending out printed letters again for only 3 months, so I
can't tell you whether or not it has sparked new member interest. But I
believe it will.
Let us hear about your experience as you change over, if that's the
direction you decide to go.
Good luck!
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MerrellAnd
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--- Bill H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
btw, How many here got to take their ham test (and pass) in front of
an FCC
field office examiner?
Ah yes, I took my Novice and General tests down at the Federal Building
in a grim room furnished with ancient classroom chairs, the kind with
the writing
When I got my first amateur radio license as a teenager, back when
there were sunspots and the bands didn't go dead at dark, the pinnacle
of hamdom was the Extra class license. In those days it required a
fearsome code test, 30 wpm I think, and a hard written test made more
difficult by the total
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Go easy on the skeg or you will have
to add tail
weight to this one.
These planes (Topaz, Ava, Bubble Dancer) land slowly and softly. Take a
Tim McCann 3-tooth skeg and hack it up to make a single tooth with
mounting soles front and aft. This is plenty to stop
My home club is considering doing a club purchase of models to form
a one-
design class for the upcoming season (hard to think about that when
it's
-31C/-
40C windchill, but anyway). We need some suggestions regarding good
ARF
models.
Our club (Mississippi Valley Soaring Association)
--- John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are so many ways to get the same result with a
10X, and so many personal preferences...
Yup. It shouldn't be assumed that because the radio has some
pre-defined functionality, you have to take what the mfr has set up for
you. Mike Lachowski,
--- D Hauch/ D Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Just wondering how you guys rigged up your spoiler servo
and linkage?
To install the spoiler servo, I made a short pushrod from 1/16 brass
rod. I pounded one end flat and drilled a 1/32 hole in it. Then I bent
the other end into an L-shape.
--- johnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...a vintage Stratocaster, in mint condition, only $2800.00.
However I resisted temptation
I dunno, John, it's cheaper than a new scale plane and has a whammy
bar, which even the finest scale ship does not.
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--- gldr guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I high started it up and totally destroyed it on its maiden
flight...I then got a Astro Flight ASW 17 which
I took to a park next to a freeway high started it up
crashed it on the freeway where needless to say it did not survive.
I then bought a plane
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heres a tip of the Hatlo Hat...
THAT really dates you, Dave!
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I'm glad I got this started. Double kudos to Garland (and Denny) for
relaying Pat's classic expostulation.
--- James Porter Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And he was VERY unhappy at the time he said it!
Therapy helps,
but screaming obscenities is cheaper.
Perhaps this describes
Here are some from the archives. In the interest of discretion, authors
are not named.
If you feel that the purity of the sport is ruined by technology then
you need to go back to your cave and glue sticks together with glue
that you made yourself from a horse that you butchered...
--- Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I received a call from out of the blue Sunday evening
that I thought I might share with you:
John Nielsen, one of the founding members of the
Chicago SOAR club
What a great sport that fosters relationships that
transcend generations like
--- Vern Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just received a postal packet from Dave at Laserarts with the Bird
of
Future/Time wing ribs, etc. Looks great -- even a leading edge
sanding
guide and pre-cut, vertical-grain spar supports!
For the edification of others who may not know of
There have been some posts about Ava wings failing at the poly joiners
on a hard launch. This must be some sort of intermittent manufacturing
problem, because the design should take a hard launch. I can only say
that my Ava has survived a full season of pretty hard launches with no
problem. I have
--- Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean you own a plane that won the season championship all by
itself?
Wow. I want a plane like that!
Yep, despite capricious and arbitrary interference from its pilot's thumbs.
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support that Eric Sanders provides to Compufoil users. Here's another
one.
Some weeks ago, I moved my Compufoil from an obsolete machine to my new
laptop. It doesn't have a floppy drive, so Eric had to coach me through
the
--- James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was the Bubble Dancer that blew the stab off.
The Allegro discussion group reported a few Allegros that lost stabs on
launch last year. In some of the cases, the explanation of eyewitnesses
was that the plane had somehow hit the towline during the
--- Paul Breed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been working on a scratch built Solar powered sailplane.
Today it flew under solar power for the first time!
Congratulations, Paul! Neat plane and great accomplishment.
Even though the move from NH to SD wiped out your workshop, you get a
lot more
--- Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I received a question of eligibility about the Ava
sailplane. I have never seen one so I don't know about
its construction. Primarily of concern are the
D-Tubes in the wing. Are they molded, or are they
ribbed and sheeted like the Bubble Dancer?
Ah,
--- Rense Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
playing Jerry Lee Lewis' Shake, Rattle and Roll ...
When I saw the message subject, I thought Great balls of fire! The
idea of Jerry Lee on RCSE left me breathless. I felt a whole lot of
shaking going on. But then I opened the message and was met by Bill
--- Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...I was out Wednesday with the RESQ I picked up from Ben in
Louisville
and because it was a rare calm day in Michigan kept thinking how easy
this
was compared to the moldies. Took the E4 out for practice and got
tense all
over again. If I could
--- Aerofoam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the best program for calculating motor, prop, gearbox,
battery
combinations???
I have 'em both, prefer electricalc. Actually you can take the formulas
from Bob Boucher's book and make a spreadsheet too (I did and I like
it), but it won't have the
--- Tom Hoopes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I liked the look and function of the Sportube, but
found that fitting multiple handlaunch gliders in the Sportube often
looked like a dog's breakfast.
I began looking for ways to
reduce the carrier by 4 to achieve 63 in overall length.
After
I would never disagree with Harley about anything, but I have found
that my Microlux table saw is even better than my bandsaw for stripping
wood. It makes a wider kerf, so I guess you could call that a negative,
but in every other respect it is ideal.
--- Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The last tim I did it, here's what I did. I made 1/32 ply floors for
the servo wells and gave them a thin coat of epoxy so they wouldn't be
porous. Then I got some 2 diameter heat-shrink at the local industrial
electronics store ($5 for a 5-year supply). This is a bit rubbery, not
slick. Cut the
letter I wrote to the King County Executive
Mr. Ron Sims, King County Executive
King County Courthouse
516 Third Avenue, Room 400
Seattle, WA 98104
Dear Mr. Sims,
Im writing to urge you to preserve the nationally-famous 60 Acres site
for the use of aeromodelers. This site has long been a
you ain't old enough to have used a Kraft, are
you???
Jim isn't, but I am. I got a Kraft on 50 Mhz when they first came out
with 'em. Boy was that cool. By that time, I had been through hard-tube
superregens, gas-tube rcvrs, compound DeBolt actuators (right, then
left, then up elevator -- so
--- Dieter @ ShredAir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fama volat, Dave
And, a fortiori, res ipso loquitur, ceteris paribus.
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--- Bill Kuhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have only built one EPP plane, a Ruffneck several years ago.
Received a
couple of JW's yesterday and read the instructions thoroughly, but
wonder if
anyone would have any tips they would like to share? To be more
specific;
radio installation,
--- Flying High [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can the guys flying on HAM Frequencies let me know what
channel hey are on
I fly on 53.2. So far I've never run into anybody else on my freq. If
you fly on 53, it's wise to use a double-conversion receiver to
eliminate the chance that you'll be
--- Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wouldn't a Ham operating on your frequency clobber you regardless
of
whether you have a double conversion Rx?
Yes. But note that I said your *image* frequency. Say you have an SC
receiver with a 455 khz if and you're tuned to 53,200 khz, and your
--- Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone tell me the probability of 6 random events taking place in
a
specific order? Is it 1 in 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2? (1 in 720) or does some
other
formula apply?
Harley,
You can arrange the letters ABCDEF in 6! = 720 different orders. If the
--- david cousins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Transfer the data to a spreadsheet. Integrate (or calculate) the
area
under the curve, and in simple terms, the guy with the most area
wins.
The down side of this is the extra time to download the data, and
time
to crunch the numbers.
You could
--- Tom Hoopes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A bit over
a year
ago, I prototyped an altitude logger...
Aha, there's yet another piece of hardware for this purpose!
It seems that somebody oughta design a contest of some sort using a
logger, just to see what comes out of it. Since Jim was first to
--- Dave Seay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone know where a plot of an HN-354SM airfoil (from the Stork II)
can be
had?
All the info re Norbert Habe's airfoils is at:
http://www.habebert.de/
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--- Rick Van Clief [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't log on to any of the addresses I normally use. Is the site
down or
have they changed their address, etc.
I got there via
http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/ads.html
Here's a really useful version of the UIUC database:
--- Jeb Bushell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have built several carbon/balsa spars and have yet
to find the perfect glue and procedure to join
end-grain 4lb balsa to pre-cured carbon strip.
So far the best I've found is the suggestion of Warren Man-Son Hing to
use slow epoxy thickened with
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any one making wing rods out there?
Try Don Richmond, www.hilaunch.com
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--- Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Mark Drela has gone to a low cl / low cd / low
wing loading setup.
I don't want to speak for Mark, but I think that was motivated at least
partly by the fact that it fits with the need for an RES plane to
minimize moments. Becuz of their
--- Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why use a chute? What
are the
advantages of a chute over a braided nylon strap (or advantages of
the
nylon strap over the chute).
If you use a streamer on a winch without a retriever, the reason for a
chute will become evident the first time you
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't use sliders. For those who do use them, how do you pick the
optimal position? Or do you just end up sliding all the way one way
or
another.
I use the 3-pos switch for reflex, neutral, and launch camber. Then if
I slide the slider to the other end those 3
.. a lighter plane will sink slower...
Well, a lighter plane will fly slower. Sink speed is the product of
flight speed * L/D, so unless the L/D goes up as fast as the the
forward speed, a lighter plane will indeed sink slower.
But the L/D does go up some with wing loading because of Reynolds
--- Rich Hollyday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My wife and I are both happy and sad to be finished with hobby retail
business. We have a little girl (#3) arriving in June, and lots of
other stuff going on which made HD not so much fun anymore.
I'd like to thank Rich not only for serving us all
The quote below helps us understand why Mr. Naipaul was awarded the
Nobel Prize for literature, and offers hope that other great thinkers
will join our ranks:
Mr. Biswas remained...doodling and thinking...and soon the paper was
covered with repetitions, in various styles, of the letters RES, a
--- Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
something about the throbbing rod and
singing reel from a 25 pound striper that makes you
forget about that trout...
Yeah, I've caught salt-water stripers and bluefish and tarpon on a fly
rod, and it's true that there's something about a fish that really
--- Pete S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First launch veered left and popped off about
30 feet up, going fast.
One key bit of info is in your next sentence:
Required 4 clicks down ele
to keep a glide, otherwise she'd pitch up to stall.
A tip-stall on launch can come from too much up, which
--- Eddie Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a couple of programmes that can do a draw of sorts for a MOM
group
scored
contest but I have yet to see one that works to my satisfacton.
The best answer to the MOM draw problem is a modification of the Swiss
System used for chess
--- Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And you have 3 ft to get 100 and what 6' to get a 95??
No need for skegs.
Sounds like it's time to invoke the Weenie Manifesto, article II:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soaring/files/weenie.pdf
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--- Rick and Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you tried changing the file name as I suggested.
After you change the file name it will pull up in Compufoil just like
any
other .cor file.
If it gives some kind of error message box, just press OK and load the
file anyway. Once you get it
--- Scobie Puchtler or Sarah Felstiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
with ALL black, even
if it's very visible, it seems that you run the
risk at high altitudes/distances of the 'image
reversal' problem in which a silhouette-only image
can be mentally reversed (as to which wing is
closer for
--- Kevin Sheen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
check out:
www.proptwisters.org/res-maxx
www.proptwisters.org/jouster2
And also check out www.favonius.com
for a truly dynamite way to put an I-beam carbon spar in a foam wing.
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--- Kevin Sheen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
check out:
www.proptwisters.org/res-maxx
www.proptwisters.org/jouster2
And also check out www.favonius.com
for a truly dynamite way to put an I-beam carbon spar in a foam wing.
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I was puzzled and amazed to find a wrinkled, dirt-stained copy of a
smuggled document stuffed into my field box last weekend. After further
inspection, I concluded that someone has slipped me a leaked copy of
the long-rumored Weenie Manifesto! I cannot swear to its
authenticity, but I believe
--- Bill Rakozy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you suggest a source for 48 piano-wire?
The answer is:
http://www.stevespianoservice.com/wirepart.htm
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