[RCSE] Subject: RC and airports Bullard's Pearls of Wisdom

2005-10-12 Thread Cliff E-Mail
PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports I haven't seen foam wings collide with aircraft but I've seen them hit other vehicles and they don't seem to do noticeable damage. And how many of those vehicles were doing 120kts or more? Because of their construction

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread LJolly
Martin, I am surprised at your take on Daryl's positing. I can assure you that a collision between a model and man carrying air vehicle could have dire consequences for both pilots. RC flying exists only because our organization has succeeded in convincing the FAA that we are all reasonable

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Ben Diss
Martin- Take a look at this video. Maybe you'll appreciate the dangers. http://www.wimp.com/stray/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin, I am surprised at your take on Daryl's positing. I can assure you that a collision between a model and man carrying air vehicle could have dire

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Ben Diss
Investigative summary of the incident: http://www.airforce.dnd.ca/dfs/pdf/REPORTS/FTI/CT155202.pdf "The mission was a navigation trip and part of a conversion syllabus designed to familiarize the Royal Air Force (RAF) student with the NFTC Hawk variant. With the area portion completed, the

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Mike Smith
Martin, You are way out of line here. I know you don't represent the sentiment and perception of the vast majority of the folks on this list. It seems you aren't even a pilot since you didn't talk about the airspace regs and minimum elevation above ground in congested areas. Noisy

[RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread George Voss
: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:57 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports ... -- and I suspect that a small model going into a large jet engine would disappear without trace (they test for this sort of thing -- you can't have a plane exploding and falling out of the sky

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Doug McLaren
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:31:17AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: | You are way out of line here. I know you don't represent the | sentiment and perception of the vast majority of the folks on this | list. It seems you aren't even a pilot since you didn't talk about | the airspace regs and

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread tony estep
--- Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I do disagree with Martin on one thing -- I certainly do believe that an R/C plane could seriously damage a full scale plane. A two-pound object hitting something at 100 mph? Sorta like having a king-size catsup bottle dropped on you from a

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Daryl Perkins
I'm sorry people. I didn't mean to stir up this much [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it happened, I really didn't think much of it. Just a flash of a toy airplane, damn that was close...what the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that doing there? and I continued with my 25 degree bank base to final turn. Ya seeI

RE: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread chris
Daryl, I totally understand your position and the positions all have taken with regard to full size aircraft. We all need to be more aware, and if possible, communicate these items to our club members and on, eventually getting to pilots out there who are not easily reached through standard

RE: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread martinusher
Mike I sent the remarks out to try and illustrate the over-reaction that we get when anyone mentions full-sized aircraft. I think I've succeeded. I don't condone flying models near full size planes or anything similar (road traffic, for example) and I don't think there's anyone else out

RE: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Chuck Anderson
At 04:26 PM 10/11/2005, you wrote: You have fallen into the trap, I believe, of moving from the specifcs of this incident to an irrellevant generalization. I haven't seen foam wings collide with aircraft but I've seen them hit other vehicles and they don't seem to do noticeable damage.

RE: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Mark Miller
Remember, It was just a piece of foam that brought down the Space Shuttle. Mark __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Ben Diss
I had a bird strike at 3,000 feet. Is that too low to the ground for your definition of safe operation? -Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike I sent the remarks out to try and illustrate the over-reaction that we get when anyone mentions full-sized aircraft. I think I've succeeded. I

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread MSu1049321
Saying a jet engine doesn't mind ingesting FOD shows a lack of understanding. FOD the size of a bird or plane usually *does* damage the engine, by breaking or weakening blades. The hot section of jet engines is armored inside the nacelle, (they weren't always, it took tragic deaths to bring

[RCSE] Subject: RC and airports...I'm heading out to find him in the morning!

2005-10-11 Thread GordySoar
Meanwhile, the list members who ARE in that area need to spread the word locally, in the hobby shops and clubs, to watch for this guy, find him, explain the danger to him, so this doesn't happen again Hi guys, Sit tight, and never fear! I'll be heading out in the morning so the odds are

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread GordySoar
It was just a piece of foam that brought down theSpace Shuttle. Icarus was warned by his father, yetfell to the ground and was killed and didn't even get touched by foam! Gordy

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread Randy Bullard
I haven't seen foam wings collide with aircraft but I've seen them hit other vehicles and they don't seem to do noticeable damage. And how many of those vehicles were doing 120kts or more? Because of their construction and speed, planes are tremendously more vulnerable to strike damage than

RE: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-11 Thread chris
Oh, yes, My favorite saying is from Einstein There are two things that are infinite, the Universe and Human Stupidity. I am unsure about the Universe. C Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airportsFrom: "Randy Bullard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tue, October 11,

Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-10 Thread Martin Usher
And who the bleep are YOU, mystery model flyer, to expose other people to risk against their will and knowledge? (MSul1048321) While I can't condone anyone flying near full sized planes I think you're overreacting. There are such things are birds up there, lots of them, and they're going to

[RCSE] Subject: RC and airports...IT WAS ME!

2005-10-10 Thread GordySoar
Sorry guys never figured you'd all get so freaked out by me flying foamies at full size, I mean its not like as important as Steve Langs baby son's strokeor the money you are all sending to the raffle to help out with his finances Oh yeah I did that too...you? Do you realize in the

[RCSE] Subject: RC and airports

2005-10-09 Thread MSu1049321
You were right to mention it to us in the community. Hopefully the word will get spread thru the local hobby shops and clubs in that area, and we won't have to see alarmist articles in local media, leading to government shut-downs of flying sites for everyone... even those who play by the