Re: [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 1:40 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at 
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso 
> which I have confirmed is working as expected.
>
> The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.

Great, do we know why/how this slipped through the gaps? For those
that aren't aware the Fedora schedule for F-36 is at the following
link. The main date to note is the final freeze on 5th April.

https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-36/f-36-key-tasks.html

> Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and deployed to 
> F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the current 
> stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3.
>
> --
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Re: [SoaS] Announcement: Sugar on a Stick (SoaS) 34 released today

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Fedora 34 was released today, which means that we've got a new release
> of Sugar on a Stick 34, which includes Sugar 0.118, and can be
> downloaded from:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34-1.2.iso
>
> It's one gigabyte in size.
>
> ..and written to any USB stick using BalenaEtcher, Fedora Imager Writer,
> or whatever your favorite/preferred image writing tool is.
>
>
> an installation image (non-live environment) for 32-bit ARM devices,
> such as the Raspberry Pi 2-3, is also available at:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.armhfp.raw.xz
> The above image is 1.8 gigabytes.

You also forgot the new kid for F-34 the aarch64 image:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/34/Spins/aarch64/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.aarch64.raw.xz


> Special thanks to Sugar Labs member and contributor Ibiam Chihurumnaya,
> AKA 'chimosky', for co-maintaining many/most of these Fedora activities,
> as well as the core Sugar Fedora packages, which, as a whole, make up
> Sugar on a Stick.
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
> Sugar Labs Contributor & Fedora Package Wrangler
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Re: [SoaS] Call for testing of Fedora 34 beta Sugar On A Stick

[Peter Robinson]

> This is a call for testing of the upcoming Fedora 34 based Sugar on a Stick, 
> which is now ready for testing on the following platforms:
>
> For 64-bit PCs, the ISO can be downloaded from:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso
>
> The installer based version of SoaS for 32-bit ARM can be downloaded from 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.armhfp.raw.xz
>
> ...and finally, we have a new variant of SoaS for 64-bit ARM devices, which 
> is also installer-based, and available for download at 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/aarch64/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.aarch64.raw.xz
>
> Please test on real hardware if possible. All you need to do is download and 
> write the image to a USB stick, with Fedora Media Writer, which can be 
> downloaded from https://github.com/FedoraQt/MediaWriter/releases/tag/4.2.0

So the arm images aren't actually installer images, they're pre
installed images so similar to live images, details for installing
them are at the following link and I believe the Media Writer can be
used for images destined to run on Raspberry Pis
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Installation
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Re: [SoaS] Fast-tracking fix for language control panel in F34 branch

[Peter Robinson]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:12 PM Martin Guy  wrote:
>
> On 13/02/2021, Alex Perez  wrote:
> > keep testing the compose. It is at this stage of the game in previous
> > iterations that we've seen some
> > significant regressions.
> >
> > I suggest going against Sugar Labs convention and report successful
> > tests rather than only report bugs. This will increase the sharing of
> > workload.
>
> Bollocks. Test and report the things that don't work. That's the only
> way we'll fix them,
>
> Repoting successes is gratifying, yes, but pointless.

It provides useful checkpoints so that if something stops working
later it's quicker to work out when it may have regressed.
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Re: [SoaS] Fast-tracking fix for language control panel in F34 branch

[Peter Robinson]

> Peter,
>
> What needs to be done to fast-track this fix in the F34 branch?
>
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-7e62d9763d

As per the F-34 schedule [1] nothing is required ATM, it will go
through the CI process and land into stable and will be included in
the next successful compose. Having just branched there's generally a
couple of days while things settle into a groove.

>From the 23rd of Feb the bodhi updates process gets enabled. Once that
happens every update will need a "fedpkg update" to get it into bodhi.
The 23rd is also freeze point for Beta so any update will need an
associated RHBZ, added as part of the "fedpkg update", and will need a
freeze exception [2]. Post Beta there will be a window where updates
flow as per normal before the freeze for final when that process will
need to be followed again.

One thing to note is that SoaS isn't considered a blocker desktop so I
suggest just filing a freeze exception, they are generally waved
through but there's some nuance to the process, but the end is that
things go in so it doesn't matter too much TBH.

[1] https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-34/f-34-key-tasks.html
[2] https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/propose_bug
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[SoaS] Fwd: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in February

[Peter Robinson]

If people want these sugar packages saved someone will need to follow
the policy to get them assigned and update bugs to confirm intentions
else they will be garbage collected RSN.

Peter

Policy:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Fails_to_build_from_source_Fails_to_install/

Note that some listed packages are orphaned and hence may be retired
even sooner.

The packages in rawhide were not successfully built at least since Fedora 32.

This report is based on dist tags.

Packages collected via:
https://github.com/hroncok/fedora-report-ftbfs-retirements/blob/master/ftbfs-retirements.ipynb

If you see a package that was built, please let me know.
If you see a package that should be exempted from the process, please let me
know and we can work together to get a FESCo approval for that.

If you see a package that can be rebuilt, please do so.

   Package  (co)maintainers  Latest build

VirtualGL   gsgatlin, raphgro   Fedora 31
sugar-flipstickscallkalpa, chimosky, pbrobinson, tuxbrewr   Fedora 31
sugar-getiabookscallkalpa, chimosky, pbrobinson, tuxbrewr   Fedora 31
sugar-infoslicercallkalpa, chimosky, pbrobinson, tuxbrewr   Fedora 31
sugar-labyrinth callkalpa, chimosky, pbrobinson Fedora 31
sugar-ruler callkalpa, chimosky Fedora 31
sugar-starchart callkalpa, chimosky, orphan Fedora 31
sugar-view-slides   callkalpa, chimosky, pbrobinson, tuxbrewr   Fedora 31

No packages require above mentioned packages.

Affected (co)maintainers
callkalpa: sugar-flipsticks, sugar-view-slides, sugar-ruler, sugar-getiabooks,
sugar-labyrinth, sugar-starchart, sugar-infoslicer
chimosky: sugar-flipsticks, sugar-view-slides, sugar-ruler, sugar-getiabooks,
sugar-labyrinth, sugar-starchart, sugar-infoslicer
gsgatlin: VirtualGL
pbrobinson: sugar-flipsticks, sugar-view-slides, sugar-getiabooks,
sugar-labyrinth, sugar-infoslicer
raphgro: VirtualGL
tuxbrewr: sugar-flipsticks, sugar-infoslicer, sugar-getiabooks,
sugar-view-slides
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Re: [SoaS] Sugar-starchart, flipsticks, labyrinth in Fedora Rawhide fails to install due to no python3 activity port

[Peter Robinson]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:52 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Ibiam,
>
> As of tonight's latest nightly build, sugar-starchart will not install,
> due to the missing python2 toolkit dependency. Are you planning on
> fixing this prior to the release of Fedora 34, which would need to be in
> the next week or two?
>
>
> All of the above activities fail to install for the same reason: the
> missing python2 sugar toolkit dependency:

You have that around the wrong way, it's not that the python2 sugar
toolkit dependency is missing, it's that they've not been ported to
python3. If they're not ported to python 3 by the end of the month
they will be retired from Fedora. It doesn't have to just be Ibiam
that does that port it can be anyone in the community.

> * sugar-flipsticks
> * sugar-labyrinth
> * sugar-starchart
>
> DNF fails with:
>
>   Problem: conflicting requests
>- nothing provides sugar-toolkit needed by
> sugar-starchart-16-12.fc31.noarch
> (try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages)
>
> Additionally, sugar-distance and sugar-fototoon will install, but does
> not execute properly. Given that sugar-distance doesn't actually work
> properly with non-XO laptpos, I strongly recommend we retire the
> package, and remove it entirely from Rawhide, so it will be properly
> gone in F34. The same goes for the other activities above, if we don't
> expect to fix them in the next week or two.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [SoaS] SOAS 33/34 Changes.

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
 wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> SOAS was failing to build in F34 due to telepathy-salut being deprecated and 
> needed as a dependency in sugar, F33 beta had an issue where startup goes 
> straight to login.
>
> Both have been fixed after today's compose was released and can be tested.
> Download here.
>
> I don't think it's wise to change the download link in our wiki to reflect 
> this - uploaded to sunjammer of course - as it's a compose image but Peter 
> can tell if it's wise to.

The link is for rawhide which is the nightly development snapshots, it
might be worthwhile putting a link for those interested in testing
that to know the state of SoAS for the next release and be able to
test issues with it and provide fixes, there's also an arm  nightly
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Re: [SoaS] Building the SoaS spin from source

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 2:50 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> Journal over Home View is a bug in Metacity.  Upgrade to 3.34 or
> later.  Or use F3 key as a workaround.
>
> I don't know of any Fedora SoaS build-from-source instructions.

The livemedia-creator (in the lorax package) is used, it's in the
lorax package, the fedora-kickstarts contains the various kickstarted
used for Fedora including the SoAS live cd one and the raw image used
by the arm images.

> Fedora does not support 32-bit builds.

All the 32 rpms are still built, there is no built kernel and the
binaries have been optimised for a later processor so I don't think
it'll run on an XO-1 any more, I've no idea around XO-1.5

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 02:52:06PM +0200, Martin Guy wrote:
> > Hi!
> >I'm trying to build Fedora spin "Sugar on a Stick" from source to
> > be able to give it to people on 32-bit laptops. I've found and
> > followed https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-live-build but that
> > produces an .iso that automatically opens "Journal" and won't let you
> > out of it, instead of giving the usual circular array of activities. I
> > assume I need the list of activities to install to recreate the
> > wonderful Fedora spin.
> >I haven't been able to find any build-from-source instructions on
> > the Fedora SoaS spin site, so wondered if there's something I'm
> > overlooking
> >
> > Any clues would be welcome
> >
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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: Fedora 33 Beta is GO

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 6:23 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Peter Robinson wrote on 9/25/20 12:27 AM:
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:51 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
>> FYI. Fedora 33 Beta is GO. The Final Freeze begins on 6 October, ~11 days
>> from today.
>>
>> Latest F33 SoaS beta at
>> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/33_Beta-1.3/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-33_Beta-1.3.iso
>>
>
> Arm:
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/33_Beta-1.3/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-33_Beta-1.3-sda.raw.xz
>
> That means testing needs to be done NOW so any fixes can land by GA freeze.
>
> Understood
>
>
> It would also be nice to have fixes for the broken Activities
> (sugar-tookkit-gtk3 migrations, python3 migrations) that aren't in the SoAS
> spin and a review of working.
>
> Once F-33 is out I will be completely stepping down from anything sugar
> related, I really really don't have time for it.
>
> Understood. Thanks for the heads-up, peter. How do you suggest we achieve
> a clean transition of these responsibilities?
>

 Well Ibiam mostly has it in hand but he has quite a number of
interruptions and connectivity issues so I suggest the more the merrier and
work out how to monitor/update packages and follow bugs and build failures.

>
> For example SoAS is already broken in F-34 due to telepathy-salut not
> building with openssl 1.1 and the old 1.0 being retired because it's no
> longer getting security fixes. That will need someone's attention RSN.
>
> Good to know. It looks like there's a fix for this in the telepathy-salut
> Github repo, and it's been there since November of 2018:
>
>
> https://github.com/TelepathyIM/telepathy-salut/commit/90dbe5e74ccdd063cb123212a754f994c9d2019f
> ...so I guess I or Ibiam need to apply that patch to the telepathy-salut
> Fedora package.
>

Well you''re currently the maintainer so it would likely be good if you
did: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/telepathy-salut


>
> Peter
>
>
>>
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: Fedora 33 Beta is GO
>> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:31:23 -0400
>> From: Ben Cotton  
>> Reply-To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>> To: logist...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
>> devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
>> test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org, rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>> CC: Matthew Miller  
>>
>> The Fedora 33 Beta RC1.3 compose[1] is GO and will be shipped live on
>> Tuesday, 17 March 2020.
>>
>> For more information please check the Go/No-Go meeting minutes [2] or log 
>> [3].
>>
>> Thank you to everyone who has and still is working on this release!
>> Subsequent schedule milestones[4] are unchanged. The Final Freeze
>> begins on 6 October.
>>
>> [1] https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/33_Beta-1.3/
>> [2] 
>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-24/f33-beta-go_no_go-meeting.2020-09-24-17.00.html
>> [3] 
>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-24/f33-beta-go_no_go-meeting.2020-09-24-17.00.log.html
>> [4] https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-33/f-33-key-tasks.html
>>
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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: Fedora 33 Beta is GO

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:51 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> FYI. Fedora 33 Beta is GO. The Final Freeze begins on 6 October, ~11 days
> from today.
>
> Latest F33 SoaS beta at
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/33_Beta-1.3/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-33_Beta-1.3.iso
>

Arm:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/33_Beta-1.3/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-33_Beta-1.3-sda.raw.xz

That means testing needs to be done NOW so any fixes can land by GA freeze.

It would also be nice to have fixes for the broken Activities
(sugar-tookkit-gtk3 migrations, python3 migrations) that aren't in the SoAS
spin and a review of working.

Once F-33 is out I will be completely stepping down from anything sugar
related, I really really don't have time for it.

For example SoAS is already broken in F-34 due to telepathy-salut not
building with openssl 1.1 and the old 1.0 being retired because it's no
longer getting security fixes. That will need someone's attention RSN.

Peter


>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Fedora 33 Beta is GO
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:31:23 -0400
> From: Ben Cotton  
> Reply-To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> To: logist...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
> devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
> test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org, rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> CC: Matthew Miller  
>
> The Fedora 33 Beta RC1.3 compose[1] is GO and will be shipped live on
> Tuesday, 17 March 2020.
>
> For more information please check the Go/No-Go meeting minutes [2] or log [3].
>
> Thank you to everyone who has and still is working on this release!
> Subsequent schedule milestones[4] are unchanged. The Final Freeze
> begins on 6 October.
>
> [1] https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/33_Beta-1.3/
> [2] 
> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-24/f33-beta-go_no_go-meeting.2020-09-24-17.00.html
> [3] 
> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-24/f33-beta-go_no_go-meeting.2020-09-24-17.00.log.html
> [4] https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-33/f-33-key-tasks.html
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[SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] RIP: Thomas Gilliard (satellit)

[Peter Robinson]

FYI for those that may have known and worked with Thomas.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Adam Williamson 
Date: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:49 AM
Subject: [Test-Announce] RIP: Thomas Gilliard (satellit)
To: 


Hi, folks. I'm sad to report that Thomas Gilliard (satellit), who was a
valued member of the QA team for many years, passed away last week. His
wife contacted me with the news. Thomas was a regular and reassuring
presence at QA and blocker review meetings and ran many thousands of
tests since he first joined the team in 2009. He was particularly
dedicated to testing our Sugar builds. We'll miss him.
--
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Re: [SoaS] Help!

[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:54 PM Adam Payton  wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just fully installed Soas only a very old laptop.  I was able to run it 
> fine from the USB.  I fully installed it from the USB with anaconda and now 
> when I go to first boot it up it's showing the below screenshot and won't let 
> me past.
>
> What's the default user/pass combo?  Or do I install it incorrectly??

There is no default username/password, you should have been prompted
to create one on install. I don't know if you installed incorrectly as
you don't mention what process you used to install.

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: Retired Fedora packages with maintainers

[Peter Robinson]

> Great, thanks for the clarification on the packages below, as well as the 
> webkit2gtk3 package names.

I've said this before, but it is worth repeating, there's a bunch of
Activities, like IRC that was mentioned in this thread, that are
packaged in Fedora but are still python2, the focus in the short term
should be to get those ported to python3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3 so that
they can be installed and used on Fedora and aren't automated retired
from Fedora because they don't build build/install. There's a number
of these. If they're retired it will be more work to get them back
into Fedora.

Peter

> Peter Robinson May 12, 2020 at 2:27 PM
>
> Here's a curated list of packages that are/may be relevant to us/SoaS:
>
> rpms/sugar-analyze is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/sugar-analyze is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': 
> pbrobinson, tuxbrewr, callkalpa
>
> This was retired in f-29, I don't remember why, it'll need to under go
> a new review process
>
> rpms/sugar-help is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/sugar-help is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': pbrobinson, 
> callkalpa
>
> This was retired in f-26, I don't remember why, it'll need to under go
> a new review process
>
> rpms/sugar-presence-service is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': 
> pbrobinson, tomeu
>
> This was retired because it was removed as a requirement in sugar
> years ago, I had asked they eToys upstream maintainers for over 3
> years to port it to the newer sugar APIs and hence eToys was retired,
> there's no reason to have sugar-presence-service
>
> rpms/webkitgtk is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': pwalter, 
> kevin, tpopela, huzaifas, mso
> rpms/webkitgtk3 is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk3 is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': phatina, 
> mclasen, pwalter, tpopela 'groups': @gnome-sig
> rpms/webkitgtk4 is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk4 is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': tpopela, 
> kalev, catanzaro 'groups': @gnome-sig
>
> These have moved around and are provided by various packages, I
> believe sugar only requires the last one and it's provided by
> webkit2gtk3 so there's no issue here that I can see.
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> Alex Perez May 12, 2020 at 10:13 AM
> FYI. See below e-mail. There may be others in the list that I'm unaware of. 
> Ibiam, we should probably get you set up as a maintainer
> for the sugar packages listed below:
>
> Here's a curated list of packages that are/may be relevant to us/SoaS:
>
> rpms/sugar-analyze is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/sugar-analyze is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': 
> pbrobinson, tuxbrewr, callkalpa
> rpms/sugar-help is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/sugar-help is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': pbrobinson, 
> callkalpa
> rpms/sugar-presence-service is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': 
> pbrobinson, tomeu
> rpms/webkitgtk is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': pwalter, 
> kevin, tpopela, huzaifas, mso
> rpms/webkitgtk3 is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk3 is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': phatina, 
> mclasen, pwalter, tpopela 'groups': @gnome-sig
> rpms/webkitgtk4 is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk4 is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': tpopela, 
> kalev, catanzaro 'groups': @gnome-sig
>
>
>
> From: Pierre-Yves Chibon 
> Date: May 11, 2020 at 11:49 PM
> To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Retired packages with maintainers
> Good Morning Everyone,
>
> A little while ago we have received the request on the infra issue tracker to
> remove all maintainers of retired packages [1].
>
> So today I decided to look at what this would look like and wrote a script 
> that
> queries PDC for the list of all branches on all projects [2], gather from it a
> list of all the packages that are retired on all their branches (so all 
> branches
> are ``active=false``).
> For each of these retired project, it queries dist-git to find out if they 
> still
> have maintainers in addition to the ``orphan`` user.
>
> The outcome of this script can be found there:
>
> https://pingou.fedorapeople.org/retired_packages_with_maintainers.log
>
>
> Some stats about this:
> - 881 RP

Re: [SoaS] Fwd: Retired Fedora packages with maintainers

[Peter Robinson]

> Here's a curated list of packages that are/may be relevant to us/SoaS:
>
> rpms/sugar-analyze is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/sugar-analyze is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': 
> pbrobinson, tuxbrewr, callkalpa

This was retired in f-29, I don't remember why, it'll need to under go
a new review process

> rpms/sugar-help is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/sugar-help is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': pbrobinson, 
> callkalpa

This was retired in f-26, I don't remember why, it'll need to under go
a new review process

> rpms/sugar-presence-service is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': 
> pbrobinson, tomeu

This was retired because it was removed as a requirement in sugar
years ago, I had asked they eToys upstream maintainers for over 3
years to port it to the newer sugar APIs and hence eToys was retired,
there's no reason to have sugar-presence-service

> rpms/webkitgtk is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': pwalter, 
> kevin, tpopela, huzaifas, mso
> rpms/webkitgtk3 is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk3 is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': phatina, 
> mclasen, pwalter, tpopela 'groups': @gnome-sig
> rpms/webkitgtk4 is retired but does not list 'orphan' in its users
> rpms/webkitgtk4 is retired and has the following: 'maintainers': tpopela, 
> kalev, catanzaro 'groups': @gnome-sig

These have moved around and are provided by various packages, I
believe sugar only requires the last one and it's provided by
webkit2gtk3 so there's no issue here that I can see.
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Re: [SoaS] Urgent need to incorporate patch into sugar-toolkit-gtk3 for F32 SoaS, then request re-spin

[Peter Robinson]

Alex,

> What is the process for requesting a re-spin of F32 SoaS? I've
> discovered an unfortunate bug in the release F32 SoaS
> sugar-toolkit-gtk3, and the necessary patch is here:

The process is one of two methods 1) get in a time machine and go back
to a time prior to release 2) we fix it for Fedora 33.

This is why we have a beta release and nightly builds and release
candidates on the way to GA, to test and get the bugs like this. We
can push the fix as an update for those that install SoaS but we don't
have the resources to completely respin the live images just because
you decided to only test things post release. I'm sorry, but we don't
have the resource for that, and it's been that way and communicated as
such since the original SoaS release.

An update will fix it for those running on installed systems just fine.

> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/commit/2018c930adae85c18b1c51b5f80836fcad6c392c.patch
>
> This commit can be viewed at
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/commit/2018c930adae85c18b1c51b5f80836fcad6c392c

Please create a pull request against the package or coordinate with
Ibiam to get a PR done.

> I've verified it fixes the problem of not being able to start
> external/downloaded activities, by manually applying it from a running
> LiveCD/ISO environment with patch, then killing jarabe.
>
> I'd also like to request that we add the 'patch' package to the default
> list of installed packages, in the respin.

I don't know what you mean by "default list of installed packages". We
won't be re-spinning, the F-32 ship has sailed.

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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick is available now!

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:11 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
>
> Fedora 32 has been released, and the Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick spin is 
> available for download from https://bit.ly/F32-SoAS-x86_64-ISO. It is 950 
> megabytes in size.
>
> The 32-bit Fedora SoaS ARM image, suitable for use on Raspberry Pi 1/2/3, is 
> also available at https://bit.ly/F32-SoAS-armhfp-raw and is 730 megabytes in 
> size. Also worthy of note, the armhfp kernel supplied in this image has been 
> verified to boot from USB on an unlocked OLPC XO-1.75, although it's very, 
> very slow.

To clarify the RPi 1 is not supported (nor is the zero), just the 2/3/3+.

> This is a purely Python 3 based Sugar environment, and Python 2 activities 
> will not run here at all. This is the first version of Sugar on a Stick to 
> drop Python 2 completely, and a few of the bundled activities which have yet 
> to be ported to Python 3 were removed from this release, and will re-appear 
> at which point the porting and testing of them is complete.
>
> From: Matthew Miller 
> Date: April 28, 2020 at 6:55 AM
> To: annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> CC: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Fedora 32 is available now!
>
> It’s here! We’re proud to announce the release of Fedora 32.
> Thanks to the hard work of thousands of Fedora community
> members and contributors, we’re celebrating yet another
> on-time release!
>
> Read the official announcement at:
>
> * https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-32/
>
> or just go ahead and grab it from:
>
> * https://getfedora.org/
>
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS 32 is silent?

[Peter Robinson]

> With Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso I'm hearing no sound.
> And see no log messages.
>
> Is this a common problem?

Ultimately in this cycle in particular an awful lot changed, we moved
completely from python2 -> python3 among a lot of other changes.

For me the Speak activity works for me on a VM and that's my usual
go-to sound tester as I don't need to find any media to play.

Things like sound are very complex, multiple output, defaults,
different hardware. Some level of detail of the hardware and the setup
is useful to even begin to know what the issue may be, is there any
errors in dmesg etc.

Peter

> --
> From: James Cameron 
> Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:04 PM
> To: Frederick Grose 
> Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions , 
> Sugar-dev Devel 
>
>
> I've no idea about your sound problem.  It doesn't happen for me on
> Debian or Ubuntu.  I get sound from Speak and Music Keyboard.  I get
> sound into Measure.
>
> For not seeing any log messages; Python 3 holds messages in process
> memory and does not flush logs.  Another layer of buffering.
>
> Log files in .sugar/default/logs should be read after stopping the
> program that writes to them.
>
> For activity logs, you have to stop the activity and confirm with
> Frame F6 that it is stopped.
>
> For shell.log you have to log out and log in again.
>
> For datastore.log you have to log out for a couple of minutes and then
> log in again.  Otherwise the same datastore process may be reused.
>
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>
>
> --
> From: Alex Perez 
> Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:11 PM
> To: Frederick Grose 
> Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions , 
> Sugar-dev Devel 
>
>
> Frederick,
>
> Chances are, with the sound problem, that this is a system/Fedora specific 
> problem, and has nothing to do with Sugar. You can test this hypothesis by 
> downloading a different spin of RC1.6, for example the LXDE Live ISO, and 
> test sound there. 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/32_RC-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-LXDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
>
> &
>
> Thanks for the hints.
>
> I tested a live USB installation of LXDE 32-1.6 and got sound for the music 
> player sample.
>
> So probably not Fedora in general, nor Sugar, but something in the SoaS build.
>
> I've opened https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998 and attached the zipped 
> logs from some test sessions.
>
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Re: [SoaS] Fedora 32 Final is GO, SoaS Release Candidate ISO available immediately

[Peter Robinson]

> There is no irc app

It's not yet ported to python3, it's being worked upon.

> satellit
>
> How do we participate?
>
> On Apr 23, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Alex Perez S wrote:
>
>  The Fedora release team met today and approved the release of Fedora 32, 
> which is scheduled for this coming Tuesday, April 28th.
>
> The 1.6 Release Candidate ISO for the Fedora 32 SoaS (Sugar on a Stick) 
> LiveCD/ISO is downloadable from 
> https://bit.ly/Fedora-32-RC-SoaS-LiveISO-x86_64
> It is one gigabyte in size.
>
> This is a purely Python 3 based Sugar environment, and Python 2 activities 
> will not run here at all. This is the first version of Sugar on a Stick to 
> drop Python 2 completely, and a few of the bundled activities which have yet 
> to be ported to Python 3 were removed from this release, and will re-appear 
> at which point the porting and testing of them is complete.
>
> Special thanks to Peter Robinson and Ibiam Chihurumnaya for making the 
> Sugar-specific bits of this spin possible.
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Re: [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick beta ISO ready for testing

[Peter Robinson]

> Fedora 32 has entered beta state, and the Sugar on a Stick beta ISO (size is 
> 1 gigabyte) can be downloaded from http://bit.ly/SoaS-F32-Beta-ISO
>
> One known issue is that the IRC activity fails to start, and can not be used, 
> as it's not yet been ported to Python 3.

There's currently 4 Activities in the Beta that aren't moved to
Python3. They will be dropped from the live image if they're not fixed
by the Final freeze comes into place.

> The current target final release date for Fedora 32 is Tuesday, April 21st, 
> though this may change if need be.

The development freeze comes into force on Tue 2020-04-07 so
everything should be fixed by then, anything after that point needs
bug reports and to go through an exception process to get in.

> Please test on real hardware if possible, and send/provide reports to 
> soas@lists.sugarlabs.org as necessary.
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Re: [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Peter Robinson]

> > > > > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, [...]
> > > > Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose. [...]
> > >
> > > As far as I can see all those deps are there.
> > >
> > > I see the following crash:
> > >
> > > Traceback (most recent call last): [...]
> > >   File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line 113, 
> > > in _build_treeview
> > > sorted = self._treemodel.sort_new_with_model()
> > > AttributeError: 'TreeStore' object has no attribute 'sort_new_with_model'
> >
> > Thanks.  It was a GTK breaking change.
> >
> > Fixed in 42f3f31 ("Fix AttributeError on GTK 3.24.14")
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20/commits/42f3f31711b32f2ed82a1487e9584ea2536dd2af
> >
> > Not tested, please test.
>
> I did a scratch build and the Log activity ran and I could see logs so
> with basic testing it seems fine. Thanks for the fix. I've pushed a
> build fix which will be in tomorrow's images.
>
> Early this morning I also pushed a bunch of other Activity updates etc
> to assist Ibiam in getting things updated, I think all the simple ones
> should be done. I think I got Paint, FotoToon, Clock, Words, Finance,
> Finance, possibly some others but I didn't get too much testing done
> before I ran out of time, all of the change should be in tomorrow
> image so if people could test them further that would be fab.
>
> I think Fedora 32 freezes for Beta tomorrow so after tomorrow further
> fixes will need to go through exception process, I can assist Ibiam
> with that.

So we are now in freeze for Beta.

The latest image for those who can test is:
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-32-20200225.n.0/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-20200225.n.0.iso
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Re: [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Peter Robinson]

> > > > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, [...]
> > > Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose. [...]
> >
> > As far as I can see all those deps are there.
> >
> > I see the following crash:
> >
> > Traceback (most recent call last): [...]
> >   File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line 113, 
> > in _build_treeview
> > sorted = self._treemodel.sort_new_with_model()
> > AttributeError: 'TreeStore' object has no attribute 'sort_new_with_model'
>
> Thanks.  It was a GTK breaking change.
>
> Fixed in 42f3f31 ("Fix AttributeError on GTK 3.24.14")
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20/commits/42f3f31711b32f2ed82a1487e9584ea2536dd2af
>
> Not tested, please test.

I did a scratch build and the Log activity ran and I could see logs so
with basic testing it seems fine. Thanks for the fix. I've pushed a
build fix which will be in tomorrow's images.

Early this morning I also pushed a bunch of other Activity updates etc
to assist Ibiam in getting things updated, I think all the simple ones
should be done. I think I got Paint, FotoToon, Clock, Words, Finance,
Finance, possibly some others but I didn't get too much testing done
before I ran out of time, all of the change should be in tomorrow
image so if people could test them further that would be fab.

I think Fedora 32 freezes for Beta tomorrow so after tomorrow further
fixes will need to go through exception process, I can assist Ibiam
with that.

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Re: [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Peter Robinson]

> > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, ideally should be
> > ported to python 3.
>
> No, v41 is Python 3 already, and should work.  Does work on Ubuntu
> 20.04 beta.  Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose.
>
> The dependencies are unusual for this activity; check you have covered
> them properly.  On Ubuntu 20.04 the dependencies include;
>
> python3, python3-sugar3, python3-gi, python3-urllib3,
> gir1.2-glib-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, gir1.2-pango-1.0,
> net-tools, procps

As far as I can see all those deps are there.

I see the following crash:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity3", line 5, in 
activityinstance.main()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/sugar3/activity/activityinstance.py",
line 230, in main
instance = create_activity_instance(activity_constructor, activity_handle)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/sugar3/activity/activityinstance.py",
line 59, in create_activity_instance
activity = constructor(handle)
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
458, in __init__
self.viewer = MultiLogView(paths, ext_files)
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
75, in __init__
self._build_treeview()
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
113, in _build_treeview
sorted = self._treemodel.sort_new_with_model()
AttributeError: 'TreeStore' object has no attribute 'sort_new_with_model'
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Re: [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:22 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
 wrote:
>
> I looked at the sugar repo in the fedora sources repository and noticed that 
> the sugar version is still v0.114,
> I'm not good with packaging but I can help apply patches up to the latest 
> version - v0.116 -, I'd like to know
> how applying patches works. Thanks.

How do you apply patches without packaging?

Please read the Fedora docs on packaging:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/

> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:10 AM Peter Robinson  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
>> people are testing it.
>>
>> Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
>> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
>> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
>>
>> We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
>> them by Monday.
>>
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Re: [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:00 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> Thanks.  Tested on the OLPC Infinity and also QEMU.  No great
> surprises.  Seems ready for release.  Summary of observations;
>
> - it's Sugar 0.114, obsolete now,

Yes, but pre beta when I had to deal with the release it was the
latest and greatest ;-)

> - default microphone level is really low,

Is that on specific HW or in general?

> - the Moon activity is surprisingly and repeatedly sluggish to start,
>   leaving two blank rectangles on screen, with no useful log output;
>   it's a JavaScript activity, and that may be significant,

Changes it webkitgtk maybe?

> - the Write activity has the severe AbiWord flicker problem reported
>   in 2016, fixed upstream by AbiWord in June 2018; but I guess it
>   hasn't made it into Fedora 31 yet,

I've not seen a new upstream release, do you have a link to the
required patch(s) by chance?

> - wireless scan results disappear from the network view totally, then
>   if you disconnect from ad-hoc they come back again,

Weird, I'm guessing this is card specific but I'm just guessing.

> - collaboration does not work; as tested with Chat activity, which may
>   relate to sugar-toolkit-gtk3:88ea8e1 and other collaboration fixes
>   that have made it into Sugar 0.116.

telepathy also needs to be fixed, it was failure to build and had to
be rescued, Alex took over those packages, with me sponsoring him and
said he would fix them pre-beta and I've since had radio silence
since. This has other implications because I will need assistance in
the move to python3 from a packaging PoV as I really don't have the
time any more to do this all on my own.

Peter


> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 09:10:08AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
> > people are testing it.
> >
> > Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
> > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
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> >
> > We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
> > them by Monday.
> >
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[SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
people are testing it.

Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/

We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
them by Monday.

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] The plan moving forward for SoaS with Fedora 31 and Fedora 32

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:02 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 08:41:32AM -0700, Alex Perez wrote:
> > Forwarding an abridged version of Peter's response to the SoaS ML for
> > completeness, and so we can continue the conversation there.
>
> Thanks.  Interesting.
>
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > Subject: Re: Packages in Fedora
> >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:02:59 +0100
> >From: Peter Robinson 
> >  To: Alex Perez 
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > > Thanks for reaching out. I am working on Telepathy-salut and
> > > telepathy-gabble buildability tomorrow evening.
> >
> > Reach out on IRC or email if you need help there.
> >
> > With this update I think we're over the line for Beta and hence out of
> > the woods for the moment.
> >
> > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-dd8c4e8c66
>
> Paraphrasing, gnome-python2 did fail to build and has been fixed.
> My comment; the dependency should disappear with 0.115.

Yes, and in fact I believe, although may well be wrong here, it's
purely a dependency of the old gtk2 sugar-toolkit and associated
Activities and will basically disappear when we decide to drop any
that haven't moved to gtk3.

> > If you could test and provide karma on it that would be great, it's
> > basically approved as a freeze exception so once that is ACKed we
> > should have images. I also updated to the 0.114 release as part of
> > that update.
> >
> > F-31 has branched off Rawhide now and I
> > think we get that working as a compose, which should happen in the
> > next day or so. It has 0.114 so we test and basically call that one
> > done.
> >
> > Rawhide is open now for F-32 development for a May release next year
> > and we aim that one for python3. We have working images as of today
> > for that with basically the same contents as F-31.
> >
> > The following bug has all the other python2 bugs attached to it so I'm
> > using it as a general tracker:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1737929
> >
> > The way I see it what we need to do is as follows:
> >
> > 1) Move as many Activities over sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as possible, kill
> > off the rest and retire sugar-toolkit (and I think we can retire
> > sugar-base then too). See details below around some of this below.
> > There was a thread a number of months ago where a bunch of these were
> > discussed. There doesn't appear to have been much movement, some just
> > need a release tagged.
>
> Yes, please.  We have a checklist for this;
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#checklist---maintainer

Who from the Sugar community is going to take the lead on this?

> > 2)  Build a version of sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that supports both python2
> > and python3 Basically sugar-activity3. I believe this should actually
> > be possible with 0.114 to some degree but a new release would likely
> > be better. This allows Activities move over independently. Once the
> > migration is complete we disable the python2 build.
>
> Using 0.114 is doable if you can keep the Python 2 Telepathy static
> binding.  If you can't, then use TelepathyGLib, with 88ea8e1 ("Port to
> TelepathyGLib").
>
> You'll also hit porting bugs found after 0.114, especially when you
> begin to package activities; 381c9b1 ("Fix install TypeError").
>
> You may also need ed46c21 ("Port to six") and the two others following.
>
> I'm working toward 0.115 but there are critical bugs yet to fix, so
> attention on these would be welcome.  Please get involved.

Can we have a 0.114.9x series of RCs done as we go towards that
release tagged? That would make it easier to get it into Rawhide and
people can then just grab nightly composes to test against which in
turn will assist in finding critical issues.

> https://github.com/orgs/sugarlabs/projects/1
>
> None of them are on the toolkit.
>
> > 3) Move the core sugar UX to python3. I believe we should be able
> > sugar UX and datastore over independently as I believe the Activities
> > communicate with the later via dbus.
>
> Yes, you can keep sugar on Python 2, if you can keep the Python 2
> Telepathy static binding.  If you can't, you'll need sugar:f8f506b
> ("Port to TelepathyGLib").

I've got python-telepathy on the list of py2 packages we currently
depend on. Ultimately if we can move the core sugar UX, datastore and
any Activities to py3 while keeping a sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that's py2
compatible I would prefer moving as much as possible to py3.

> Yes, you can keep datastore on Python 2, if you can keep Xap

Re: [SoaS] The plan moving forward for SoaS with Fedora 31 and Fedora 32

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:48 PM Thomas Gilliard 
wrote:

> irc #fedora-arm
>

Can we please keep this on topic, none of this is relevant to the topic.
Copying large chunks of IRC notes is unnecessary


>  testing   Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-Rawhide-20190829.n.0-sda.raw
> thanks all
>  will not login...both raw and .iso
> ..
>
>  graphical login, or the text prompt?
>  graphical targetworks in f5 tty
> * satellit_ .iso
>  liveuser fails to start
>  Ok, I was wondering if I should be seeing similar, but sounds
> like just running the server/tty is working
> ..
>  arm does i-s but fails to login to root or user
>  only mediawriter usb for live boot
>  bios pc/rpiB3+
> ..
>  satellit_: it's an issue with gwebsockets. I've let the sugar
> people know
>  thanks
>
> On 8/29/19 8:41 AM, Alex Perez wrote:
>
> Forwarding an abridged version of Peter's response to the SoaS ML for
> completeness, and so we can continue the conversation there.
>
>  Forwarded Message ----
> Subject: Re: Packages in Fedora
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:02:59 +0100
> From: Peter Robinson  
> To: Alex Perez   Hi Alex,
>
> > Thanks for reaching out. I am working on Telepathy-salut and
> > telepathy-gabble buildability tomorrow evening.
>
> Reach out on IRC or email if you need help there.
>
> With this update I think we're over the line for Beta and hence out of
> the woods for the moment.
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-dd8c4e8c66
>
> If you could test and provide karma on it that would be great, it's
> basically approved as a freeze exception so once that is ACKed we
> should have images. I also updated to the 0.114 release as part of
> that update.
>
> F-31 has branched off Rawhide now and I
> think we get that working as a compose, which should happen in the
> next day or so. It has 0.114 so we test and basically call that one
> done.
>
> Rawhide is open now for F-32 development for a May release next year
> and we aim that one for python3. We have working images as of today
> for that with basically the same contents as F-31.
>
> The following bug has all the other python2 bugs attached to it so I'm
> using it as a general 
> tracker:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1737929
>
> The way I see it what we need to do is as follows:
>
> 1) Move as many Activities over sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as possible, kill
> off the rest and retire sugar-toolkit (and I think we can retire
> sugar-base then too). See details below around some of this below.
> There was a thread a number of months ago where a bunch of these were
> discussed. There doesn't appear to have been much movement, some just
> need a release tagged.
>
> 2)  Build a version of sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that supports both python2
> and python3 Basically sugar-activity3. I believe this should actually
> be possible with 0.114 to some degree but a new release would likely
> be better. This allows Activities move over independently. Once the
> migration is complete we disable the python2 build.
>
> 3) Move the core sugar UX to python3. I believe we should be able
> sugar UX and datastore over independently as I believe the Activities
> communicate with the later via dbus.
>
> What have I missed, what are your thoughts?
>
> >  From what I can see at
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/31/Schedule we have less than
> > two weeks until the desired initial beta release date.
>
> Correct, but we're currently in freeze which means all changes have to
> fix bugs and go through QA approval process.
>
>
> Status of Activities still reliant on GTK2 based sugar-toolkit:
> sugar-castle - no idea
> sugar-connect - no idea
> sugar-countries - appears to have been ported to GTK3 but no release
> sugar-deducto - appears to have been ported to GTK3 but no release
> sugar-flipsticks - no movement of note
> sugar-kuku - no idea
> sugar-labyrinth - not sure
> sugar-playgo - some movement not idea if gtk3
> sugar-srilanka - no idea
> sugar-starchart - nothing recent except translations
> sugar-view-slides - recent work, maybe gtk3, no release
> sugar-xomail - no idea
>
>
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] F30 ARM (Raspberry Pi) SoaS not working, but a fix exists..

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:16 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> James Cameron wrote on 5/19/19 3:50 PM:
> > That's unfortunate.
> Agreed, but it was due to a lack of testing.
> >
> > Were the Fedora 30 ARM builds being tested before release?
> They were, but only in QEMU, it would seem. The temporary workaround is
> to fetch the initramfs referenced below, and then, after imaging the
> image to an SD card using $preferredImagingMethod (Fedora Image Writer,
> for most folks, would be their best bet), just copy the downloaded
> initrd over to the boot partition on the SD card.
> >
> > Are the Fedora 31 ARM builds being tested?
> I am informed by pwhalen that, as of today, the image is still broken in
> rawhide (which will become F31) but that it will be fixed in the coming
> days/weeks, now that there's a bug for the issue:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1711475

Should now now fixed in rawhide/F-31. Testing and confirmation welcome.

Peter

> >
> > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 09:01:25AM -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote:
> >> Current f30 soas release for a Rpi3B+ (arm) do not boot [1]
> >>
> >> There is a solution:
> >>
> >>   "if you replace the initramfs with this one - 
> >> [1]https://fedorapeople.org/
> >> ~pwhalen/soas/initramfs-5.0.9-301.fc30.armv7hl.img ...it will boot." 
> >> 
> >> on #fedora-arm
> >>
> >> Hopefully this can be fixed in a rebuild for f30 arm
> >>
> >> Tom Gilliard
> >>
> >> satellit on freenode #fedora-qa
> >>
> >> [1] [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_30#not_working
> >>
> >> References:
> >>
> >> [1] 
> >> https://fedorapeople.org/~pwhalen/soas/initramfs-5.0.9-301.fc30.armv7hl.img
> >> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_30#not_working
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Fedora 30 SoaS (Sugar on A Stick) final released

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 4:07 PM Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:58 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
>>
>> The Fedora 30 release was earlier today, and with it comes the Fedora 30 
>> Sugar on a Stick environment, which now has functional collaboration, out of 
>> the box. It includes Sugar 0.113, which incorporates the necessary fixes.
>>
>>
>> For those who would like to try or use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick, you can 
>> download these ISO images, and use DD, win32diskimager, or your preferred 
>> raw image writing utility to stick the contents on a USB drive. 
>> Alternatively, the two ISOs below can be booted as a Virtual Machine, using 
>> VirtualBox, Parallels, Hyper-V, and other virtualization software.
>>
>> Here are your download links:
>>
>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso
>>   <<--- this link did not work
>
>
> https://mirrors.rit.edu/fedora/fedora/linux//releases/30/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso
>   <<--- this link works

The first link sends a redirect to the closest mirror, while the
mirror manager is pretty good it might be catching up due to load of
release, and the first link is likely still good for a lot of people
depending on where you are.

>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/30/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-30-1.2.iso
>>
>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-30-1.2-sda.raw.xz
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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Retire Python 2

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 7:20 PM Walter Bender 
wrote:

> gives us a year.. hopefully we'll make great strides during GSoC 2019
>

Except it doesn't really. There are other things that are being actively
removed. For example the python2 bindings for xapian, which is used by
sugar-datastore, fails to build because one of it's build deps rebased to a
new major version that dropped python2 support.

We really need to have the core sugar running as python3 in Fedora 31, in
time for Beta which freezes late August, and core Activities moved over
with just the stragglers and cleanup for for Fedora 32.

So it gives us a year to complete it all, we really need to have the major
pieces done by late summer.

To begin this how many of the Activities that care about the old GTK2
sugar-toolkit do we care about:

# dnf repoquery --whatrequires sugar-toolkit
sugar-castle-0:23-12.fc29.noarch
sugar-connect-0:22-23.fc30.noarch
sugar-countries-0:33-16.fc30.noarch
sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch
sugar-flipsticks-0:13-13.fc30.noarch
sugar-kuku-0:5-8.fc29.noarch
sugar-labyrinth-0:16-11.fc30.noarch
sugar-playgo-0:5-20.fc30.noarch
sugar-srilanka-0:3-8.fc29.noarch
sugar-starchart-0:16-9.fc29.noarch
sugar-view-slides-0:8-20.fc30.noarch
sugar-xomail-0:0-0.19.20090128.fc30.noarch

If there's ones there we don't think will be migrated to gtk3 we should
just retire them now in Fedora 31 and cross them off the list.

Peter

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/31/Schedule

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:09 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
>> FYI
>>
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Retire Python 2
>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:04:39 -0400
>> From: Ben Cotton  
>> Reply-To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>> To: Development discussions related to Fedora
>>  ,
>> devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetirePython2
>>
>> == Summary ==
>> The {{package|python2}} package and all its subpackages will be
>> removed from Fedora 32.
>> A legacy {{package|python27}}  package for developers and users will
>> be provided.
>> All packages in Fedora that need Python 2 to run will be removed from
>> Fedora 32 regardless of their dependencies.
>> All packages in Fedora that need Python 2 to build will be removed
>> from Fedora 32 regardless of their dependencies.
>> Exceptions can be granted by FESCo.
>>
>> == Owner ==
>> * Name: [[User:Churchyard|Miro Hrončok]]
>> * Email:   
>>  
>>
>> == Detailed Description ==
>> Python 2 is unsupported upstream since 2020-01-01. Packages dependent
>> on Python 2 are being removed from Fedora for several releases
>> already:
>>
>> * [[Changes/Mass_Python_2_Package_Removal|Fedora 30 Mass Python 2
>> Package Removal]]
>> * [[Changes/F31_Mass_Python_2_Package_Removal|Fedora 31 Mass Python 2
>> Package Removal]]
>>
>> Now, the Python maintainers have decided to pull the plug. The
>> {{package|python2}} package and all its subpackages will be retired
>> (read: removed) from Fedora 32 (Rawhide) as soon as Fedora 31 is
>> branched.
>>
>> All packages depending on any python2 package will be removed. The
>> removal starts 2 weeks before the planned Fedora 32 Mass Rebuild.
>> Broken dependencies will not stop the removals.
>> Packages that Fail to Build From Source and prevent to remove Python 2
>> subpackages may end up with broken dependencies,
>> in cases where it is not desired, those packages will be retired instead.
>>
>> The rules also apply to modules built for Fedora 32+.
>>
>> The package removal will be executed in an automated fashion.
>>
>> Removed packages that would block the upgrades to Fedora 32 will be
>> obsoleted from {{package|fedora-obsolete-packages}}.
>>
>> === The python27 package ===
>>
>> Similarly to existing {{package|python36}}, {{package|python37}} etc.
>> packages, a {{package|python27}} package will be created.
>> This package is indented for Python developers who still need to
>> support the legacy version of Python.
>> This package is indented for users, who still need to use some
>> software depending on the legacy version of Python.
>> This package is not intended for other Fedora packages to be depended upon.
>>
>> The {{package|python27}} package has several drawbacks compared to the
>> original {{package|python2}} package:
>>
>> * it is "flat" - there are no subpackages, everything lives in one package
>> * there is no debug build (previously available as {{package|python2-debug}})
>> * there is no /usr/bin/python (note: there might be
>> already the case before this change)
>> * any special backwards compatible Provides are removed (this package
>> is not intended to be depended upon)
>>
>> === FESCo exceptions ===
>>
>> We realize that there are some packages whose removal could seriously
>> hurt Fedora. FESCo can grant exceptions for packages to use the
>> {{package|python27}} as a runtime or build dependency.
>>
>> The package maintainer is responsible to check the entire dependency
>> 

Re: [SoaS] Fedora 30 (Release Candidate 1) SoaS images ready for testing

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:28 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
>
> Just under the wire, we have managed to get some critical Sugar on a Stick 
> issues fixed, which are now included in Fedora 30 SoaS images. I would like 
> to extend a very special thanks to Peter Robinson, who took time out of his 
> busy schedule to assist in getting the Fedora packages updated with the 
> necessary fixes and patches. Thank you, Peter. This will be the first Fedora 
> SoaS in several releases to have functional collaboration within Sugar, and 
> it is thanks to your work, as well as community testers who take the time to 
> test these new packages, and report back with the results.
>
> For those who would like to test ot use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick, Release 
> Candidate 1, you can download these ISO images, and use DD, win32diskimager, 
> or your preferred raw image writing utility to stick the contents on a USB 
> drive. Alternatively, these ISOs can be booted as a Virtual Machine, using 
> VirtualBox, Parallels, Hyper-V, and other virtualization software.
>
> Here are your download links:
>
> For 32-bit machines: http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-32-bit (891 megabyte 
> ISO)
> For 64-bit machines: http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-64-bit (942 megabytes)

Arm image for those that might be interested in using as Raspberry Pi
or similar device:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/30_RC-1.1/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-30-1.1-sda.raw.xz

> Here is what's been fixed:
>
> * Sugar 0.113 is included by default
> * Collaboration works out of the box
> * Able to connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org when configured (this is related to 
> the fix for collaboration, thanks to James Cameron for this)
> * A patch/hotfix to 0.113, which resolves Sugar 0.113 starting up. Special 
> thanks to Rahul "Pro-Panda" Bothra for this contribution.
>
>
>
> The final release of Fedora 30 is expected to be made between April 30th and 
> May 7th, depending on a number of factors. The F30 release schedule is 
> documented at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/30/Schedule
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
> Sugar Labs Oversight Board Member
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Re: [SoaS] Collaboration Between Activities Fail

[Peter Robinson]

You might want to check the local firewall ports

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:09 PM Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> We've been working on installing SOAS on some computers in a school and we
> were testing collaboration using CAT5 cables connected to a router
> and also connected to the two computers running the SOAS instances, the
> both instances are seen on the two computers but after joining an activity
> the "Joining activity" alert and collaboration doesn't happen.
>
> Logs here .
>
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>
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Re: [SoaS] Errors from Soas 29

[Peter Robinson]

Have you applied all the latest updates to Fedora, a number of issues have
been fixed with Fedora 29 updates.

Peter

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:52 AM Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Ibiam and I are currently working to install Sugar in the classroom, so we
> decided to download Soas 32-bit versions. After installing, we ran into
> some problems immediately after the desktop booted which can be found
> here[1]. I also noticed whenever I click on the speaker icon, the bottom of
> the frame becomes darker. I tested collaboration using Jabber service,
> Ibiam couldn't find the desktop on the neighborhood but the desktop can
> alongside.
>
>   Quick question? what are the best ways to make sugar to talk to each
> other? Those desktop are using mini USB wifi adaptors(working on windows)
> but not Soas. I will be testing on more systems by Wednesday.
>
> Logs[2]
>
>
>
>
>
> [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Known_bugs
> [2]https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/4QIR-XATy2wmnZb2VbNn3A
>
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

Hey James,

Happy New Year!

> > > > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > > > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > > > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > > > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > > > >
> > > > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > > > directories.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> > > >
> > > > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all 
> > > > right.
> > > >
> > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> > > >
> > > > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> > > >
> > > > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > > > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > > > >
> > > > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > > > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > > > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > > > >
> > > > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> > > >
> > > > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > > > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> > > >
> > > > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > > > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some 
> > > > >> work
> > > > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > > > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > > > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > > > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > > > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > > > >
> > > > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > > > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > > > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > > > organisation.
> > > >
> > > > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
> > >
> > > Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> > > a v0.114 around 6th October.
> >
> > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > later.
>
> Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> introspection for Telepathy.
>
> There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
>
> With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> discussion at the weekly meeting.

Just thought I'd do a check in to see how you're getting on with the
python3 port, just trying to do a bit of planning for the next few
months.

I updated all the various Activities to the latest versions the other
day, except I couldn't find the latest version of TurtleBlocks, on the
download site the latest is 216 and I couldn't find it in git.

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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Help soas is not building in fedora30 rawhide

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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:41 PM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 05:23:44PM -0500, Frederick Grose wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 5:03 PM Thomas Gilliard  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Helpsoas is not building in fedora30 rawhide
> >
> > The livemedia.log shows this error report:
>
> Thanks for finding that, I had no idea where it would be.
>
> > ...
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,578 INFO pylorax: Non interactive installation failed:
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: Problem: conflicting requests
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > ld-linux-armhf.so.3 needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > ld-linux-armhf.so.3(GLIBC_2.4) needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.5) needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_ARM_1.3.3) needed by
> > sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64.
>
> An architecture mixup.
>
> Cause is the Fedora package for x86_64 contains ARM architecture files
> in library/box2d_arm/, which in turn are in the tar.gz, also in the
> .xo file, and also in git.
>
> Fixes might be one of;
>
> 1.  adjust the package to remove the binaries, and add box2d
> dependencies, or;
>
> 2.  maintain a fork of the sources without dependencies embedded, as
> we've done for the Physics activity (see the dfsg branch there).

I'd fixed this in releases < 30 but the f30 had failed due to python
scripts requiring explicitly python2/python3 in their calls, this has
now been fixed so it should be fixed in the next compose.
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Re: [SoaS] Bug: Network control panel fails to open

[Peter Robinson]

> > > There is a glitch observed in SoaS 29.
> > > https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4990
> >
> > Seems it might use NetworkManager-glib and that appears to have been
> > retired and we didn't have an explicitly dependency on it. I'm not
> > 100% sure that is the case but we might need to change how we use
> > NetworkManager or adjust for a new API?
>
> Was fixed in April, and should be in 0.113 and later.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/04c63f6dd2b6f10a80376a43c735822f5283bda7#diff-c4737854e76eeaf45b972eaf050e4b7b
>
> Was detected by the automatically discovered and explicit dependency in 
> Debian.
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/857230

Thanks James,

There's a fix here https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-0.112-5.fc29

I've filed a freeze exception for F29 so I hope we make it.
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Re: [SoaS] Bug: Network control panel fails to open

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:11 PM Frederick Grose  wrote:
>
> There is a glitch observed in SoaS 29.
> https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4990

Seems it might use NetworkManager-glib and that appears to have been
retired and we didn't have an explicitly dependency on it. I'm not
100% sure that is the case but we might need to change how we use
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:17:50AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > > > later.
> > >
> > > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> > > introspection for Telepathy.
> > >
> > > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> > > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> > > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> > > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
> > >
> > > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> > > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> > > discussion at the weekly meeting.
> >
> > OK, well keep me in the loop, people have already started the hack and
> > slash of what they feel as redundant pyhthon2 only dependencies in
> > Fedora 30. This has affected sugar-toolkit through the use of
> > gnome-python2-rsvg which affects the Activities below, we might be
> > able to get a minor window of relief on that but I'm not convinced.
>
> Yes, we saw that in the past year in Debian; the very few lines of
> source that make up the Rsvg static binding were embedded in something
> else rather than as a separate package or as part of Rsvg.

We had a stay of execution, it was actually a mistake, it was some
other package that was meant to get retired. Should be fixed soon.

> So OLPC lost the benefit of upstreaming sugar-toolkit (Sugar Toolkit
> for GTK+ 2), and now I maintain a custom or derivative package.
>
> I did offer to maintain the Rsvg static binding, but was told this was
> not welcome.
>
> In retrospect, it was suboptimal organisation of source code in
> earlier GNOME.
>
> > I noticed the new Moon 19 activity has moved to Javascript but I have
> > no idea how that works from a packaging dependency or Sugar bindings
> > PoV (does it use gjs?) and don't have the time to dig into it
> > unfortunately. Kalpa can you assist here?
>
> No, not gjs.  Package should continue to depend on sugar-toolkit-gtk3,
> as it calls /usr/bin/sugar-activity-web, which uses WebKit2.

Ah, yes, I remember this web activity concept now. Cool, will update it.

> I thought there was a Javascript activity already in Fedora somewhere,
> but I don't have a Fedora system handy to find out; grep for a file
> path pattern of "lib/sugar-web"
>
> > I was already considering dropping anything requiring the original
> > sugar-toolkit from the default spin for an upcoming release so maybe
> > we just need to go through the list below and work out which are
> > likely to be migrated to gtk3 or JS and possibly just retire the rest?
> > Thoughts?
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-July/055529.html
> was my last review of this list.  I've reviewed again and the changes
> are small; Flipsticks port progressed but still unfinished, Labyrinth
> embeds source which is upstream of Sugar Labs, Sri Lanka is new to the
> list, as is Starchart.
>
> Given the pitiful progress over three months, you may have to retire
> all these GTK2+ activities from Fedora.  If you decide that, let me
> know, and I can post a final warning in a separate thread calling for
> maintainers.
>
> Full review of your list again below.
>
> Port completed = 6
> Port needed or in progress = 6
> Port planned = 1
> Missing maintainer = 11
> No GitHub repository yet = 2
>
> > sugar-calendario-0:4-14.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port planned.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/calendario/issues/1
>
> > sugar-castle-0:23-12.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4397
>
> > sugar-connect-0:22-22.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
>
> http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/connect-activity/
>
> > sugar-countries-0:33-15.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/countries-activity
>
> > sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/deducto
>
> > sugar-flipsticks-0:13-12.fc29.noarch
>
> Some change.  Port in progress.  Code changes pending.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/flipsticks/pull/3
>
> >

Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 02:00:11PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > >
> > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > directories.
> > >
> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> >
> > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.
> >
> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> >
> > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> >
> > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > >
> > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > >
> > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > >
> > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> >
> > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> >
> > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > >
> > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > organisation.
> >
> > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
>
> Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> a v0.114 around 6th October.

What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than later.

> > > Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
> > >
> > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
> > >   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
> > >   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,
> >
> > We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
> > longer any dependencies.
> >
> > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
> > >   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
> > >
> > >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> > >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> > >> to assist?
> > >
> > > I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> > > maintained.
> >
> > Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
> > merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.
> >
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[Peter Robinson]

>> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
>> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
>> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
>> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
>
> They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> directories.
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2

Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.

> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2

Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!

>> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
>> moved to gtk3, any plans?
>
> Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
>
>> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
>> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
>> sugar-presence-service!
>
> I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.

They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.

>> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
>> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
>> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
>> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
>> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
>> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
>> coffin for Sugar?
>
> Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> organisation.

Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?

> Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
>
> - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
>   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
>   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,

We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
longer any dependencies.

> - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
>   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
>
>> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
>> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
>> to assist?
>
> I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> maintained.

Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.

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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:43 AM, James Cameron  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:26:21PM +0800, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Peter,
>> >
>> > 1) Clock and Record have been ported to gst1.0
>> >
>> > 2) There are quite a number of activities that have/are being ported to 
>> > gtk3 and more will follow.
>> >
>>
>> I saw some PRs to port activities to gtk3, but not sure whether we
>> make a release once the porting is done. If we can make a release
>> (where applicable), we can continue to package for Fedora.
>>
>> btw, https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s/sugar-* is the list of
>> sugar activities we package as of today.
>
> Please list which of these packages you think needs a port to GTK+ 3?
>
> You've probably got good access to the packaging sources, so you can
> find them quickly.
>
> Some of them I don't recognise, so there's a possibility that Sugar
> Labs isn't maintaining these sources (through contributor attrition or
> because the source came from elsewhere), and we may have to grab a
> copy of the sources held by Fedora.

Yes, I understand. The list I have is below:

$ dnf repoquery --whatrequires sugar-toolkit
sugar-analyze-0:8-20.fc28.noarch
sugar-calendario-0:4-12.fc28.noarch
sugar-castle-0:23-11.fc28.noarch
sugar-connect-0:22-21.fc28.noarch
sugar-countries-0:33-14.fc28.noarch
sugar-deducto-0:9-12.fc28.noarch
sugar-flipsticks-0:13-11.fc28.noarch
sugar-kuku-0:5-7.fc28.noarch
sugar-labyrinth-0:16-9.fc28.noarch
sugar-moon-0:17-5.fc28.noarch
sugar-moon-0:18-1.fc28.noarch
sugar-playgo-0:5-18.fc28.noarch
sugar-record-0:102-6.fc28.noarch
sugar-srilanka-0:3-7.fc28.noarch
sugar-starchart-0:16-8.fc28.noarch
sugar-view-slides-0:8-18.fc28.noarch
sugar-xomail-0:0-0.17.20090128.fc28.noarch
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[SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

Hello All,

This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.

I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.

Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.

But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.

1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
Are there any plans to move them to gst1?

2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
moved to gtk3, any plans?

3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
sugar-presence-service!

4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
coffin for Sugar?

Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
to assist?

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] Etoys for Sugar on a Stick Fedora release 25

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 6:08 AM, Raul Benitez 
wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I have the following configuration:
>
> * Sugar on a Stick Fedora release 25
> * Sugar 0.108
>
> I tried installing:
>
> Etoys-113.xo activity and Etoys-116.xo activity
>
> Both have problems with Squeak.
>
> My question is as follows: Will there be new Etoys updates compatible with
> Sugar 0.108 and up?
>
> If there is a possible solution, I need direction and assistance to be
> able to debug and fix it myself, please.
>

Not that I'm aware of, I explicitly dropped eToys from the SoaS release
because of these sorts of problems and only empty promises from the then
maintainer, there's not been a release since 2010 and that release didn't
fix outstanding issues of updating to long out of date changes in Sugar.

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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.112 on Fedora 28 SoaS

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 7:00 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:31:39PM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> We're in Beta freeze for Fedora 28.
>
> Thanks for the update.
>
> Our How To install Sugar on Fedora is here;
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md
>
>> We have Sugar 0.112, there's
>> nightly images for the various architectures at the URLs below. Please
>> test so we don't end up in a situation like last cycle where people
>> were testing at the last moment before release.
>>
>> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub//fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/x86_64/iso/
>> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/armhfp/images/
>> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/development/28/Spins/i386/iso/
>
> These links very unreliable; have to keep hitting them until the
> redirector leads me to an up to date mirror.
>
> I've tested Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-28-20180312.n.0.iso and
> updated the How To ... 01941aa.
>
> Most of Sugar works, as do the included activities.
>
> Issues were;
>
> - the Write activity flickers, due to AbiWord event handling flaw,
>   Sugar Labs #4915, Fedora #1287835, AbiSource #13791, with Debian and
>   Ubuntu carrying my patch,

I did look at that patch at some point but I don't remember why it wasn't added.

> - the Paint activity starts but the mouse does not draw on the canvas,
>   we have a fix committed but not yet released, and the fix is
>   effective on Fedora 28,
>   
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/paint-activity/commit/a8828f162606b6eed847b0444f156ac1c95b6866
>   https://github.com/sugarlabs/paint-activity/issues/29

Pushed.

> - the Words activity fails to start, citing PyGObject Namespace WebKit
>   not available, for 3.0, we have a fix committed but not yet
>   released, and the fix is effective on Fedora 28,
>   
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/words-activity/commit/ae8ccca439f34f99df6fb7a34313ab57af9e5e9e
>   https://github.com/sugarlabs/words-activity/issues/12

Its looks like that patch was already in the 22 we had, I've pushed 23 anyway

> - the Ruler activity fails to start, with a Cairo assertion and
>   SIGABRT, https://github.com/sugarlabs/ruler/issues/4
>
> - My Settings (control panel) - Network does not render, traceback
>   says PyGObject Namespace NMClient not available, workaround is to
>   hit escape,
>   http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/z/1evdqY.txt
>
> - My Settings - Software Update offers Memorize-52 to -53, Clock-19 to
>   -20, and Pippy-66 to -71, so these are likely packaging lag,
>
> - for each activity, the activity toolbar description entry icon is
>   not rendered,

Is there a bug for this?

> - after testing each activity once, there were about 3283
>   PyGIDeprecationWarning messages written to logs.

Is there a tracking bug for this?

> Installing Fedora Workstation was very slow, and it performed poorly
> once installed, especially logging in, logging out, and using the
> GNOME desktop.  I wasn't able to identify a cause for delays.

What sort of HW, it's not really related to Sugar TBH but there's
known issues with low resourced devices. Hack fest in May to hopefully
deal with most of it:
https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Hackfests/Performance2018

> Performance of Sugar desktop was normal.
>
>> One thing to note is there will be a newer CSound package landing
>> shortly, it's been upgraded from 6.03 to the latest 6.10 and I've no
>> idea if the API has changed and if it will affect any of the
>> Activities using it. You'll be able to testing by doing a "dnf
>> upgrade" once booted.
>
> Not to worry, none of the activities in SoaS import csound.

Memorize use to depend on it, seems that has since changed.

> csound 6.10 did segmentation fault on Ubuntu 18.04 beta back in
> January with the Music Keyboard activity, but now works okay with both
> Measure and Music Keyboard.  Neither activity is in SoaS.
>
> --
> James Cameron
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[SoaS] Sugar 0.112 on Fedora 28 SoaS

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

We're in Beta freeze for Fedora 28. We have Sugar 0.112, there's
nightly images for the various architectures at the URLs below. Please
test so we don't end up in a situation like last cycle where people
were testing at the last moment before release.

http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub//fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/x86_64/iso/
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/armhfp/images/
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/development/28/Spins/i386/iso/

One thing to note is there will be a newer CSound package landing
shortly, it's been upgraded from 6.03 to the latest 6.10 and I've no
idea if the API has changed and if it will affect any of the
Activities using it. You'll be able to testing by doing a "dnf
upgrade" once booted.

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Re: [SoaS] Fedora 27 RC-1.2

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So I think this should be fixed, along with some other issues.
>>
>> Please test:
>>
>> x86 64 bit
>>
>> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_RC-1.2/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-1.2.iso
>>
>> ARMv7 including the Raspberry Pi 2/3:
>>
>> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_RC-1.2/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-27-1.2-sda.raw.xz
>
>
>  Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-1.2.iso
> installed to USB disc boots successfully and Browse 201.2 launches properly.

There's now 1.6 out that should fix the physics issue:
http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_RC-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-1.6.iso
http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_RC-1.6/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-27-1.6-sda.raw.xz
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Re: [SoaS] Fedora 27 RC-1.2

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So I think this should be fixed, along with some other issues.
>>>
>>> Please test:
>>>
>>> x86 64 bit
>>>
>>> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_RC-1.2/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-1.2.iso
>>>
>>> ARMv7 including the Raspberry Pi 2/3:
>>>
>>> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_RC-1.2/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-27-1.2-sda.raw.xz
>>
>>
>>  Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-1.2.iso
>> installed to USB disc boots successfully and Browse 201.2 launches
>> properly.
>>
>> There is a distraction at first boot after accepting user account info as
>> an empty Journal screen is shown (seemingly while the Home View is being
>> built
>> ).
>
>
> This build is missing sugar-physics-32.1-3.fc27 which fixes Physics
> launching.

Probably too late now as 1.3 compose has happened and that might go
GA, I've requested it as a freeze exception if they happen to respin
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:50 PM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:36:13AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:29 PM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:00:11AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:54 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 08:58:01AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:24 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:15:16PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM, James Cameron 
>> >> >> >> <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 06:13:51PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, James Cameron 
>> >> >> >> <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Familiar.  Looks like RHBZ #1490668.
>> >> >> >> > [3]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490668
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Sugar doesn't log to systemd journal, so best log file is 
>> >> >> >> still
>> >> >> >> > ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log ... is that file present?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:38:21PM -0400, Frederick Grose 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > Tested with Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-20171023.n.0.iso 
>> >> >> >> (similar
>> >> >> >> failure
>> >> >> >> > > on Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27_Beta-1.5.iso)
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The image boots to the liveuser login screen but fails 
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > launch into the Sugar session.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > journalctl -ab -o short-monotonic > 
>> >> >> >> soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > 
>> >> >> >> [4]https://gist.github.com/FGrose/97d834d362c7e1e3f690b97612c673dd
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The lightdm lines look suspicious to me...
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > $ grep lightdm 
>> >> >> >> /home/fgrose/Documents/soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > [...]
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Yes,
>> >> >> >> > Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 174, in 
>> >> >> >> _run_module_as_main
>> >> >> >> > "__main__", fname, loader, pkg_name)
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 72, in _run_code
>> >> >> >> > exec code in run_globals
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/main.py", 
>> >> >> >> line 73, in
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view import keyhandler
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py", line
>> >> >> >> 32,
>> >> >> >> > in 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.journal import journalactivity
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalacti
>> >> >> >> vity.py",
>> >> >> >> > line 45, in 
>> &g

Re: [SoaS] Browse fails to launch in SoaS Fedora 27 beta

[Peter Robinson]

So I think this should be fixed, along with some other issues.

Please test:

x86 64 bit
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_RC-1.2/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-1.2.iso

ARMv7 including the Raspberry Pi 2/3:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/27_RC-1.2/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-27-1.2-sda.raw.xz


On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Frederick Grose  wrote:
> After updating SoaS Fedora 27 beta with downloaded
> sugar-*-0.110.0-6.fc27.noarch.rpm, sugar launches but Browse fails to.
> Here is the log:
> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sugar3/activity/activity.py:96:
> PyGIWarning: SugarExt was imported without specifying a version first. Use
> gi.require_version('SugarExt', '1.0') before import to ensure that the right
> version gets loaded. from gi.repository import SugarExt Traceback (most
> recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 220, in 
> main() File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 164, in main module =
> __import__(module_name) File
> "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Browse.activity/webactivity.py", line 58, in
>  from collabwrapper.collabwrapper import CollabWrapper ImportError:
> No module named collabwrapper.collabwrapper Exited with status 1, pid 2117
> data (', mode 'w' at 0x7f7e96f0f0c0>,
> '688cd1c0f3e7f674ceff5e6516598ab17dac0048')
>
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:29 PM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:00:11AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:54 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 08:58:01AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:24 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:15:16PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 06:13:51PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, James Cameron 
>> >> >> <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Familiar.  Looks like RHBZ #1490668.
>> >> >> > [3]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490668
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sugar doesn't log to systemd journal, so best log file is 
>> >> >> still
>> >> >> > ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log ... is that file present?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:38:21PM -0400, Frederick Grose 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > > Tested with Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-20171023.n.0.iso 
>> >> >> (similar
>> >> >> failure
>> >> >> > > on Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27_Beta-1.5.iso)
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The image boots to the liveuser login screen but fails to
>> >> >> > > launch into the Sugar session.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > journalctl -ab -o short-monotonic > soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > 
>> >> >> [4]https://gist.github.com/FGrose/97d834d362c7e1e3f690b97612c673dd
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The lightdm lines look suspicious to me...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > $ grep lightdm /home/fgrose/Documents/soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > [...]
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes,
>> >> >> > Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 174, in 
>> >> >> _run_module_as_main
>> >> >> > "__main__", fname, loader, pkg_name)
>> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 72, in _run_code
>> >> >> > exec code in run_globals
>> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/main.py", line 
>> >> >> 73, in
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> > from jarabe.view import keyhandler
>> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py", line
>> >> >> 32,
>> >> >> > in 
>> >> >> > from jarabe.journal import journalactivity
>> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalacti
>> >> >> vity.py",
>> >> >> > line 45, in 
>> >> >> > from jarabe.journal.volumestoolbar import VolumesToolbar
>> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/volumestool
>> >> >> bar.py",
>> >> >> > line 42, in 
>> >> >> > from jarabe.view.palettes import VolumePalette
>> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/palettes.py", line
>> >> >> 38, in
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp import setup_view_help
>> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.p

Re: [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:19 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
> Everybody is talking not listening.  Listen up.  ;-)
>
> Frederick showed traceback from shell.log which said
> viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing.
>
> viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing from sugar-0.110.0-5.fc27.noarch.rpm
>
> viewhelp_webkit2.py was added by sugar-0.110.0-5.fc27.src.rpm
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch
>
> main.py and viewhelp.py are properly changed by
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch but the files added by
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch are missing.
>
> Thomas likely hit the same problem, but has not confirmed same
> shell.log.
>
> I don't know how to fix Peter's Fedora-packaging of my patch.  As
> upstream release manager my answer is "use 0.112" which Peter says is
> unlikely to happen because of the freeze.  Second best option is to
> fix the packaging.

The problem was that autoreconf needed to be run to pickup the changes
in Makefile.am

> Patch doesn't look like it was in Fedora 26, as I cannot find a file
> sugar-0.110.0-3.fc26.noarch.rpm
>
> The sugar-help package has nothing to do with the problem, but it
> would be nice to have it fixed too.

Someone will need to resubmit the package for review and packaging. If
I see sugar packages being retired/orphaned I pick them up myself but
I do not have the time to go through the review process and get it
re-added to the package set.

Ultimately my free time to do sugar related tasks these days is almost
zero so for those that do have an interest in keeping SoAS and sugar
in general in Fedora are going to need to assist me, and preferably
earlier in the cycle not moments before GA, otherwise it will go away.

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Re: [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:54 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 08:58:01AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:24 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:15:16PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 06:13:51PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, James Cameron 
>> >> <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Familiar.  Looks like RHBZ #1490668.
>> >> > [3]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490668
>> >> >
>> >> > Sugar doesn't log to systemd journal, so best log file is still
>> >> > ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log ... is that file present?
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:38:21PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> > > Tested with Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-20171023.n.0.iso 
>> >> (similar
>> >> failure
>> >> > > on Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27_Beta-1.5.iso)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The image boots to the liveuser login screen but fails to
>> >> > > launch into the Sugar session.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > journalctl -ab -o short-monotonic > soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 
>> >> [4]https://gist.github.com/FGrose/97d834d362c7e1e3f690b97612c673dd
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The lightdm lines look suspicious to me...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > $ grep lightdm /home/fgrose/Documents/soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> > >
>> >> > > [...]
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes,
>> >> > Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 174, in 
>> >> _run_module_as_main
>> >> > "__main__", fname, loader, pkg_name)
>> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 72, in _run_code
>> >> > exec code in run_globals
>> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/main.py", line 73, 
>> >> in
>> >> 
>> >> > from jarabe.view import keyhandler
>> >> >   File 
>> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py", line
>> >> 32,
>> >> > in 
>> >> > from jarabe.journal import journalactivity
>> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalacti
>> >> vity.py",
>> >> > line 45, in 
>> >> > from jarabe.journal.volumestoolbar import VolumesToolbar
>> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/volumestool
>> >> bar.py",
>> >> > line 42, in 
>> >> > from jarabe.view.palettes import VolumePalette
>> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/palettes.py", 
>> >> line
>> >> 38, in
>> >> > 
>> >> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp import setup_view_help
>> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py", 
>> >> line
>> >> 46, in
>> >> > 
>> >> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp_webkit2 import Browser
>> >> > ImportError: No module named viewhelp_webkit2
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> The ImportError suggests file viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing; can you
>> >> confirm that?  It should be right next to
>> >> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py
>> >>
>> >> ls -la usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/
>> >> total 432
>> >> drwxr-xr-x.  2 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 .
>> >> drwxr-xr-x. 11 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 ..
>> >> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2028 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.py
>> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root 

Re: [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:24 AM, James Cameron  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:15:16PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 06:13:51PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, James Cameron <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Familiar.  Looks like RHBZ #1490668.
>> > [3]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490668
>> >
>> > Sugar doesn't log to systemd journal, so best log file is still
>> > ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log ... is that file present?
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:38:21PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> > > Tested with Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-20171023.n.0.iso (similar
>> failure
>> > > on Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27_Beta-1.5.iso)
>> > >
>> > > The image boots to the liveuser login screen but fails to
>> > > launch into the Sugar session.
>> > >
>> > > journalctl -ab -o short-monotonic > soas27bootjournal.txt
>> > >
>> > > 
>> [4]https://gist.github.com/FGrose/97d834d362c7e1e3f690b97612c673dd
>> > >
>> > > The lightdm lines look suspicious to me...
>> > >
>> > > $ grep lightdm /home/fgrose/Documents/soas27bootjournal.txt
>> > >
>> > > [...]
>> > >
>> >
>> > Yes,
>> > Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 174, in 
>> _run_module_as_main
>> > "__main__", fname, loader, pkg_name)
>> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 72, in _run_code
>> > exec code in run_globals
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/main.py", line 73, in
>> 
>> > from jarabe.view import keyhandler
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py", 
>> line
>> 32,
>> > in 
>> > from jarabe.journal import journalactivity
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalacti
>> vity.py",
>> > line 45, in 
>> > from jarabe.journal.volumestoolbar import VolumesToolbar
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/volumestool
>> bar.py",
>> > line 42, in 
>> > from jarabe.view.palettes import VolumePalette
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/palettes.py", line
>> 38, in
>> > 
>> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp import setup_view_help
>> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py", line
>> 46, in
>> > 
>> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp_webkit2 import Browser
>> > ImportError: No module named viewhelp_webkit2
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> The ImportError suggests file viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing; can you
>> confirm that?  It should be right next to
>> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py
>>
>> ls -la usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/
>> total 432
>> drwxr-xr-x.  2 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 .
>> drwxr-xr-x. 11 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 ..
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2028 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2647 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2647 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2754 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  3008 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  3008 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  8687 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9396 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9396 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  1728 Aug 12 08:30 cursortracker.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  1330 Aug 12 08:30 cursortracker.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  1330 Aug 12 08:30 cursortracker.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  7418 Aug 12 08:30 customizebundle.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  6241 Aug 12 08:30 customizebundle.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  6241 Aug 12 08:30 customizebundle.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2473 Aug 12 08:30 gesturehandler.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2896 Aug 12 08:30 gesturehandler.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2896 Aug 12 08:30 gesturehandler.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root   677 Aug 12 08:30 __init__.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root   143 Aug 12 08:30 __init__.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root   143 Aug 12 08:30 __init__.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  8290 Aug 12 08:30 keyhandler.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9438 Aug 12 08:30 keyhandler.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9438 Aug 12 08:30 keyhandler.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  6044 Aug 12 08:30 launcher.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  6752 Aug 12 08:30 launcher.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  6752 Aug 12 08:30 launcher.pyo
>> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root 11282 Aug 12 08:30 palettes.py
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root 12132 Aug 12 08:30 palettes.pyc
>> -rw-r--r--.  2 

Re: [SoaS] Technical Release - Sugar 0.110

[Peter Robinson]

Hi Sam and Kalpa,

Sorry for the late reply.

> Removing the .desktop files won't affect sugar - it was a feature that
> allowed the activities to be accessed from GNOME.

Thanks for the confirmation, has is been fixed upstream so that the
references are generated correctly, I suspect some would like to use
this material from other desktops too, If not can someone create a bug
to track it?

> On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 03:00 +0800, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote:
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I see the .desktop file generation was introduced in [1]. Is the
>> .desktop file being used in sugar itself? I want to verify whether
>> there's any impact if we remove the .desktop file after installing
>> the
>> activity in fedora.
>>
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/commit/535ece85c3
>> f21dcaef9af93cdd8c4eb0061422f5
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda <callkalpa@gmail.
>> com> wrote:
>> > Hi Peter,
>> >
>> > Can we get this release for f25 as well? ATM I see that it's only
>> > for rawhide.
>> >
>> > On a different note, I saw a number of bugzilla tickets created as
>> > a
>> > number of sugar activity packages failed to build. As per my
>> > findings,
>> > it is because sugar-toolkit-gtk3 code generates a .desktop file
>> > from
>> > the information in the activity.info file. In doing so, it appends
>> > the
>> > BUILDROOT to Icon and Path properties in the .desktop file. This
>> > fails
>> > the check in /usr/lib/rpm/check-buildroot. Please find the scratch
>> > build [1] for reference.
>> >
>> > PR [2] makes the .desktop file creation configurable via a flag
>> > passed
>> > to setup.py. If we can get a release out with this fix, I think we
>> > can
>> > fix the current build failures. The other option is after %install,
>> > we
>> > can delete the .desktop file from the build.
>> >
>> > Appreciate your thoughts on this issue.
>> >
>> > [1] /usr/lib/rpm/check-buildroot
>> > [2] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/pull/362
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.c
>> > om> wrote:
>> > > Hi Sam,
>> > >
>> > > I apologise, I never saw the release announcement for any of the
>> > > dev
>> > > releases in this cycle nor the GA announcement. I'm not sure what
>> > > happened as I thought I was on the sugar-devel list. TBH I have
>> > > seen
>> > > so little discussion I thought the cycle had been delayed or
>> > > something.
>> > >
>> > > Is there a summary/overview of what's changed (particularly in
>> > > terms
>> > > of new/changed dependencies)?
>> > >
>> > > What's the plans for the next cycle so I can ensure we don't miss
>> > > that
>> > > one too. Also if you are able, or know someone that is, to help
>> > > out
>> > > with the packaging/updates of the packages in Fedora that would
>> > > also
>> > > help out too. Happy to help mentor anyone interested in getting
>> > > actively involved in maintaining Sugar in Fedora.
>> > >
>> > > Peter
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Sam P. <sam@sam.today> wrote:
>> > > > Hi SoaS contributors,
>> > > >
>> > > > This is the latest release, and it hasn't been packaged yet for
>> > > > Fedora :(
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Sam
>> > > >
>> > > > -- Forwarded message -
>> > > > From: Sam P. <sam@sam.today>
>> > > > Date: Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 10:11 PM
>> > > > Subject: Technical Release - Sugar 0.110
>> > > > To: Sugar-dev Devel <sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi All,
>> > > >
>> > > > It has been a huge cycle and there has been lots of great work
>> > > > done by many
>> > > > members of this community.  One sum of that work is the Sugar
>> > > > 0.110 release.
>> > > > Tonight I will be doing the technical side of the release -
>> > > > tarballs only.
>> > > > I'd like to take my time to properly summarize the
>> > > > contrib

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SoaS frustrations & call for proposals

[Peter Robinson]

Can you please trim and summarise. That email was almost impossible to read.

> This discussion started with Tony's reference to PIXEL, a live CD of the
> Raspberry Pi OS. That led to a reference to Sugar on a Stick and a
> discussion of its ease of installation. From there the discussion got split
> as I addressed some technical issues on the SoaS mailing list, followed by
> Caryl giving some insights on the suitability of SoaS in comparison to
> Sugarizer.  Peter responded with more information on the breadth of
> technology currently served by SoaS, the Fedora-Sugar Labs spin of Sugar.
>
> So I've brought both threads together here by cross posting a transcript.

That's not a transcript, it's a mess of hard to follow threads all
pasted together.

> Praise be, Sugarizer has made great steps toward Sugar Labs' technical goals
> and deserves much greater investment as Caryl suggests.
>
> Yet there remains considerable value in the SoaS variants of Sugar, so
> attention is still deserved there to support the needs of another class of
> users and learners.
>
> To that end,  I notice that the Fedora 26 proposal submission deadline is
> fast approaching (21 Feb 2017) and so offer this thread and this feature
> page for proposals.

If there's going to be people putting in feature change requests they
need to be the people doing them. The feature process isn't a means of
requesting changes but rather an outline of the work someone is
actually doing.

> Thanks be given for your insights and efforts!
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Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SoaS installation frustrations

[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
> See the posting below with inline suggestions.  The posting was to the IAEP
> mailing list for the general Sugar audience.  I've copied the discussion
> here to the SoaS list for technical followup.  Perhaps we could interest
> some Google Code-In or GSOC applicants to innovate on the installation
> issues.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net>
> Date: Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 15
> To: i...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>
>
> Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl knows
> from Scale, an adopter wants to know:
>
> 1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who is using
> it, are there success stories, testimonials from users?
> 2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is it
> available?
> 3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out?
>
> Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features: Activities, Wiki,
> Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as a collection of tools.
> Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a block:
> Get Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux.

The SoaS site it much better:
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/

> For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out well -
> how to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions say to download
> 650MB and burn a CD. At this point the instructions become incoherent. They
> say to mount a 2GB or more stick and then boot from the CD and start running
> Sugar from it using the Terminal activity and su.

Fedora has a Windows/MacOS/Linux graphical tool to write USB sticks
and that is what should be used IMO.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB

> Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying 'what's
> that?') requires the use of the command:
>
> sudo dnf install livecd-tools
>
> No potential adopter would persist even to this point.
>
>>> We should go back to including the livecd-tools package in SoaS and we
>>> should also copy the livecd-iso-to-disk script to the /LiveOS/ folder as was
>>> previously standard in Fedora, because installing SoaS with persistent
>>> storage is essential for the project goal of having a resumable Sugar
>>> environment in your pocket.
>
> This is something Peter Robinson, our SoaS packager, can accomplish or
> advise us on.

I need help if SoaS is to survive. I really don't have the time to maintain it.

That said I think most of the instructions on the web site are garbage.

> The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux distributions.
> The accompanying instructions from the links on this panel are even more
> intimidating and provide evidence of lack of support for Sugar.
>
> In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar 0.110.
> This should be featured.

Why confuse users with a plethora of distributions? You go on about
making it easier and less confusing where all that does it adds to the
confusion.

> Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for download
> which can be transferred to a usb stick by a single dd command. This stick
> would operate as SOAS but also support installation in an available block of
> hard drive on any amd_64 machine.
>
>>> This is currently available, but not featured in our instructions as such
>>> an installation lacks persistence of user/learner Activities between boots.
>>> However, it is the easiest way to demonstrate a live SoaS system.
>>> Instructions should be updated.
>
> A second image ideally would be installable as a Window application with a
> supported Windows installer (like wubi did). Finally, there should be a
> Debian image which can be copied to an SD card and booted by a Raspberry Pi
> 3 (and possibly 2).

We product SoaS on Fedora for the Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 already (plus
around 200 other cheap ARM devices). Why do you need a Debian image
where you could use the Fedora SoaS and ensure a consistent experience
across all platforms.

> Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar' information
> on the main screen, not down six screens.

Get someone to actually write quality documentation for doing so.

> Tony
>
> On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, iaep-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 +
> From: Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>
> To: Bert Freudenberg <b...@freudenbergs.de>
> Cc: IAEP SugarLabs <i...@lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] pixel
> Message-ID:
> &

Re: [SoaS] Technical Release - Sugar 0.110

[Peter Robinson]

Hi Sam,

I apologise, I never saw the release announcement for any of the dev
releases in this cycle nor the GA announcement. I'm not sure what
happened as I thought I was on the sugar-devel list. TBH I have seen
so little discussion I thought the cycle had been delayed or
something.

Is there a summary/overview of what's changed (particularly in terms
of new/changed dependencies)?

What's the plans for the next cycle so I can ensure we don't miss that
one too. Also if you are able, or know someone that is, to help out
with the packaging/updates of the packages in Fedora that would also
help out too. Happy to help mentor anyone interested in getting
actively involved in maintaining Sugar in Fedora.

Peter

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Sam P.  wrote:
> Hi SoaS contributors,
>
> This is the latest release, and it hasn't been packaged yet for Fedora :(
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Sam P. 
> Date: Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 10:11 PM
> Subject: Technical Release - Sugar 0.110
> To: Sugar-dev Devel 
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> It has been a huge cycle and there has been lots of great work done by many
> members of this community.  One sum of that work is the Sugar 0.110 release.
> Tonight I will be doing the technical side of the release - tarballs only.
> I'd like to take my time to properly summarize the contributions that have
> made this release possible; so you will have to wait for that.
>
> This includes the following components: sugar, sugar-toolkit-gtk3,
> sugar-toolkit, sugar-runner, sugar-datastore, sugar-artwork
>
> Please find the tarballs on download.sugarlabs.org in the usual places.
> This is a great time if you are fedora or another distro to pick up the
> changes!
>
> We also have updated developer docs, just on the off chance that somebody
> wants to make a sugar activity:  https://developer.sugarlabs.org/sugar3/
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
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Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SoaS Review/Article

[Peter Robinson]

>>> Could someone following that more closely offer any additional details
>>> and thoughts on possible paths into a easily accessible .108 release?
>>
>> I am one of the Fedora release engineers, you could not get any closer
>> to the process. I would like to
>>
>> I'd like to see updated Activities released but they appear to not
>> happened of late.
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/
>
> Peter, Thanks for the update on SOAS status in F24.  I am much
> comforted knowing that Sugar labs has a champion so close to the heart
> of the process.
>
> I will see what I can do to get some new releases of Activities.  I'm
> the Sugar Labs Translation Community Manager and I've been recovering
> and adding activities to our Pootle instance so I've been developing a
> spreadsheet inventory of ASLO (mostly to track i18n/L10n status).  I
> hope to be landing new or improved PO files to a number of Activities,
> which would be an excellent reason to do a new release.
>
> Is there a target date I should be aspiring to hit for poking activity
> maintainers to make a new release?

Yes, we freeze for Final on May 31st so to ensure they're stable in
time I would want them by May 24th so we've got a bit over a week, I
did request updates when I announced Alpha and have had no real
response.
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Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SoaS Review/Article

[Peter Robinson]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Chris Leonard  wrote:
> I understand that there are currently some concerns about whether SOAS
> will come out with Fedora24 due to errors in the build process (sorry,
> it is not very clear to me)..  It would be a great shame to not make
> the F24 release, but far worse if there was not an eventual path to
> keeping our listing on the spins page with a current release of Sugar.

They will most definitely be there for F-24 GA, and there's the
nightly composes of F-24 where they're there most of the time. The
rel-eng process has been massively overhauled this dev cycle and
there's still a few gremlins lurking.

Nightly F-24 images here from a couple of days ago:

https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-24-20160511.n.0/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-24-20160511.n.0.iso
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-24-20160511.n.0/compose/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-24-20160511.n.0.iso
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-24-20160511.n.0/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-24-20160511.n.0-sda.raw.xz

> Could someone following that more closely offer any additional details
> and thoughts on possible paths into a easily accessible .108 release?

I am one of the Fedora release engineers, you could not get any closer
to the process. I would like to

I'd like to see updated Activities released but they appear to not
happened of late.
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SoaS Review/Article

[Peter Robinson]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:53 AM, T.K. Kang <tsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a working image?

There should be.

> Could not find it here ...
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/24/latest-Fedora-/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/

There's been issues with some changes to the compose made late on
Friday so maybe look in the nightly F-24 branched compose at this
link:

https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/

> Can we get the .108 into Fedora 23 ?  BTW the speak and record do not run
> from the new SOAS I made.

Not unless you want to step up and maintain it, I barely have time to
do the new releases.

> Cheers
>
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fedora 24
>>
>> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 10:41 AM, T.K. Kang <tsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Great. It is sugar .106. Would like to use .108 sugar with better
>> > network
>> > connectivity.
>> > Where can we get this build?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/83446.html
>> >> ___
>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>> >
>> >
>
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Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SoaS Review/Article

[Peter Robinson]

Fedora 24

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 10:41 AM, T.K. Kang <tsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great. It is sugar .106. Would like to use .108 sugar with better network
> connectivity.
> Where can we get this build?
>
> Cheers
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/83446.html
>> ___
>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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[SoaS] SoaS Review/Article

[Peter Robinson]

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/83446.html
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:46 AM, David Leeming
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years old but was 
> a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run SOAS. It never 
> completes booting, you go through the name, colour, gender, school grade but 
> then it just shows the blank screen with only the mouse cursor screen never 
> getting as far as the Sugar Home View..

What release are you using? Can you go to a text console (Ctrl + Alt +
F2) and login there once it hangs? If so we might be able to get some
logs.

> Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the 32 bit or 
> 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried both), it boots OK 
> but freezes after starting a few activities. Could that be the activity 
> rather than the OS?

It could be, do you find it happens on specific Activities, when the
Activity freezes does it allow you to go back to the home screen
(press F3)? If not can you go to a text console (Ctrl + Alt + F2) and
login there.

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:59 AM, James Cameron  wrote:
> Inline quoted reply.
>
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 12:46:37PM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
>> Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years
>> old but was a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run
>> SOAS. It never completes booting, you go through the name, colour,
>> gender, school grade but then it just shows the blank screen with
>> only the mouse cursor screen never getting as far as the Sugar Home
>> View..
>
> Isn't that bug #1240354 that we've all been talking about on
> sugar-devel@?  If so, it has nothing to do with hardware
> compatibility, you've just imagined it has.  ;-)

I'm not sure it is, I don't believe we even get that far, and I don't
believe the source of the virt images he mentions has pre release
images such as beta.

> Try Fedora or 32-bit build instead?

If it was a 32 vs 64 bit issue it wouldn't even boot the kernel

>> Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the
>> 32 bit or 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried
>> both), it boots OK but freezes after starting a few
>> activities. Could that be the activity rather than the OS?
>
> Sounds like you tried a 32-bit build?

Why would a 32 bit build have these issues.

>> As I said, on a very old Asus EEE PC 1005H model, it works very
>> reliably every time.
>
> Isn't that a 32-bit system?  (N270 lacks Intel 64 feature).

Again, it should be irrelevant, I run both 32 and 54 bit variants on
appropriate HW without issues, 32 bit will run fine on 64 bit, 64 just
won't even boot on 32 bit.

>> Could it be the LinuxLive USB Creator installer that is to blame?

Possibly the usb key, have you tried more than one?
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

Hi David,

Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.

> Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. That 
> is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also found 
> few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using LinuxLiveUSB, on 
> one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it seems the installer 
> was my issue.

I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
VirtualBox, glad it works for you.

> Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. If 
> not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence service on 
> a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. 
> I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu 
> we'll be using gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian 
> (Jessie 8).

I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.

Peter

> Best,
>
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm the SoaS maintainer.
>
>> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
>> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane 
>> technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there 
>> a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used 
>> SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is 
>> stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
>
> The lastest stable version is available here:
> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
>
>> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent 
>> storage too little/too much?
>
> 2Gb should be fine.
>
> Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
>
> Peter
>
>> David Leeming
>> Solomon Islands
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
>> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown 
>> Douglas
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
>> To: David Leeming
>> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.
>>
>> Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue?
>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945
>>
>> I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works
>> fine.
>>
>> I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress.
>>
>> http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/
>>
>> Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :)
>>
>> Iain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I
>>> haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just
>>> refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to
>>> introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll
>>> be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with
>>> Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar
>>> conveniently with SOAS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified
>>> their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live
>>> Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed
>>> SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a
>>> “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

[SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Final Release Compose 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

We're in the last stretch so we're now down to critical fixes. Please
test and let me know ASAP.

Peter

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_RC1/Images/armhfp/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22-1-sda.raw.xz
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_RC1/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22-1.iso
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_RC1/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22-1.iso


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Date: Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:44 AM
Subject: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Final Release Compose 1 (RC1) Available Now!
To: test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


Fedora 22 Final Release Compose 1 (RC1) is now available for testing.
Please help us complete as much of the validation testing as we can!

This is first release compose so everything should be tested properly.

Content information, including changes, can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6166#comment:9 . Please see the
following pages for
download links and testing instructions. Normally dl.fedoraproject.org
should provide the fastest download, but download-
ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a mirror (with an approximately
1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it, just replace dl with
download-ib01 in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Workstation and Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Server:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test

Cloud:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test

Summary:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

All non-Optional test cases for each of these test pages [2] must
pass in order to meet the Final Release Criteria [3].

Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the
test list [5].

Create Fedora 22 Final test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC)
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6166

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current

Fedora 22 QA schedule:
http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-22/f-22-quality-tasks.html

[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Final_Release_Criteria
[4] irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-qa
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Re: [SoaS] Sugar on RPi2

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2015-05-20 at 01:45 +0800, Danishka Navin wrote:
 Hi there,

 Does anyone deployed Sugar with either RPi or RPi2?

 On RPi:

Fedora produces a Sugar on a Stick spin with images for a number of
ARM devices. We'll have support for the RPi2 in Fedora 23.

We ship out of the box a number of Activities, you can then add all
the rest via the standard Sugar mechanism too.

The ARM image has identical functionality as the x86 release. A
believe some people have it working on the RPi2 already in Fedora 22


 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/Sweets_on_Raspberry_pi_armhf_raspbian

 Good luck,

 Iain
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[SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Final Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

We're getting to the pointy end of the Fedora 22 release and hence SoaS 22.

Below are links to the latest images. Please test. I've seen there's a
new Read out (why aren't announcement about new Activites going to
list anymore?) but all others should be on latest releases.

I look forward to the bug reports.

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC2/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22-TC2.iso
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC2/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22-TC2.iso
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC2/Images/armhfp/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22-TC2-sda.raw.xz


-- Forwarded message --
From: Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org
Date: Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:14 PM
Subject: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Final Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!
To: test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


As per the Fedora 22 schedule [1], Fedora 22 Final Test Compose 2
(TC2) is now available for testing. Please help us complete as much of
the validation testing as we can!

Content information, including changes, can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6166#comment:2 . Please see the
following pages for
download links and testing instructions. Normally dl.fedoraproject.org
should provide the fastest download, but download-
ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a mirror (with an approximately
1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it, just replace dl with
download-ib01 in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Workstation and Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Server:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test

Cloud:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test

Summary:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

All non-Optional test cases for each of these test pages [2] must
pass in order to meet the Final Release Criteria [3].

Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the
test list [5].

Create Fedora 22 Final test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC)
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6166

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current

[1]
http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-22/f-22-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Final_Release_Criteria
[4] irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-qa
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Re: [SoaS] Speak-49 with Fedora 22 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Oh, you didn't do a tarball or an announcement so I could bother
you about the lack of a tarball ;-)

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Speak/

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 I released v50 a while back to remove the Numeric fallback. Not sure
 why numpy is not being found.

 -walter

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org 
 wrote:
 The error is:

 import fft_mouth
 from Numeric import ceil
 ImportError: No module named Numeric

 But the code say:

 try:
 from numpy.oldnumeric import ceil
 from numpy.fft import *
 except:
 from Numeric import ceil
 from FFT import *

 In my F21, the numpy imports work ok.

 Maybe we should add numpy as a dependency for the sugar-speak rpm?

 It already is, and has been for years, I checked ;-). Speak was the
 only Activity that doesn't at least start for RC1, I didn't really
 test any in more detail, and when it ran numpy was installed. The only
 real difference I can see was a move from 1.9.1 to .2 at the beginning
 of march.

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[SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

The Fedora 22 Beta RC is out, would be great to get some testing on
SoAS/Sugar 0.104


-- Forwarded message --
From: Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org
Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Subject: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!
To: test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


As per the Fedora 22 schedule [1], Fedora 22 Beta Release Candidate 1
(RC1) is now available for testing.

Content information, including changes, can be found at
  https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6132#comment:15.Please see
the following pages for download links and testing instructions.
Normally dl.fedoraproject.org should provide the fastest download, but
download-ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a mirror (with an
approximately 1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it, just replace
dl with download-ib01 in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Workstation and Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Server:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test

Cloud:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test

Summary:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

All Beta priority test cases for each of these test pages [2] must
pass in order to meet the Beta Release Criteria [3]. For the Fedora
22 cycle we are also trying to run the Final tests at this time, to
try and identify later release blocker bugs as early as possible.

Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the
test list [5].

Create Fedora 22 Beta test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC)
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6132

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current

[1]
http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-22/f-22-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Beta_Release_Criteria
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Re: [SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 Finally got Beta 22 running. (for some reason, liveusb only works in
 dd mode for me). Two issues so far: (1) missing Numerics package when

By numerics do you mean numpy?

 trying to run the Speak activity; (2) when I tried to skip specifying
 gender and age, it failed to finish the launch.

 -walter

 On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Thomas Gilliard satelli...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 03/14/2015 04:15 AM, Jean THIERY wrote:

 Hello,

 Thank you for this information.

 Where can we simply find the newest iso file (Fedora+Sugar) ?


 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/

 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Beta-TC1.iso
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22_Beta-TC1.iso

 you can also follow links to nightly builds here:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Beta_TC1_Installation?rd=Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_23

 Tom Gilliard
 satellit on freenode IRC #sugar


 Soon on Internet,

 Jean Thiéry [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]

 === Original message ===
 Le 10/03/2015 19:52, Peter Robinson a écrit :

 Hi All,

 Fedora 22 Alpha is out. Please test SoaS v22 :-)

 There's a few minor known issues:
 * Obviously 0.104.1 isn't in it just yet [1] :-)
 * gabble and salut are missing, to fix: sudo yum install
 telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut on the command line. This is already
 fixed and will be in the nightly builds RSN

 There's also a number of Activities that have issues so please test,
 fix and if necessary let me know if you need some help!

 [1] Update is
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-runner-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-datastore-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-artwork-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-0.104.1-1.fc22


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us
 Date: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM
 Subject: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!
 To: annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
 devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
 test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Fedora 22 Alpha Release Announcement
 

 The Fedora 22 Alpha release has arrived, with a preview of the latest
 free and open source technology under development. Take a peek inside!

• Get Fedora 22 Alpha Workstation
  https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/prerelease/

• Get Fedora 22 Alpha Server
  https://getfedora.org/en/server/prerelease/

• Get Fedora 22 Alpha Cloud
  https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/prerelease/

• Get Fedora 22 Alpha Spins
  https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease

 What is the Alpha release?
 ==

 The Alpha release contains all the exciting features of Fedora 22's
 editions in a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided by
 the Fedora QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When these bugs
 are fixed, we make a Beta release available. A Beta release is
 code-complete and bears a very strong resemblance to the third and
 final release. The final release of Fedora 22 is expected in May.

 We need your help to make Fedora 22 the best release yet, so please
 take some time to download and try out the Alpha and make sure the
 things that are important to you are working well. If you find a bug,
 please report it – every bug you uncover is a chance to improve the
 experience for millions of Fedora users worldwide.

 Together, we can make Fedora 22 another rock-solid release. We have a
 culture of coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much
 as feasible, and your feedback will help improve not only Fedora but
 Linux and free software on the whole.

 Fedora 22 Cloud
 ===

 The Fedora 22 Cloud Edition builds on the work completed during the
 Fedora 21 cycle, and brings in a number of improvements that make
 Fedora 22 a superb choice for running Linux in the cloud.

 Ready for the Fedora 22 release, we have:

• The latest versions of rpm-ostree and rpm-ostree-toolbox. You can
  even use rpm-ostree-toolbox to generate your own Atomic hosts from
  a custom set of packages.

• A Vagrant image for Fedora 22 Atomic Host and Cloud Images. We're
  supplying Vagrant boxes that work with KVM or VirtualBox, so users
  on Fedora will be able to easily consume the Vagrant images with
  KVM, and users on Mac OS X or Windows can use the VirtualBox image.

• Tunir: A new, lightweight Continuous Integration (CI) tool for
  rapid testing of cloud images. While being driven by the need for
  simple CI for the Cloud Working Group, it's generic enough to be
  used by anyone to configure and run jobs/tests on their local

Re: [SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!

[Peter Robinson]

 Finally got Beta 22 running. (for some reason, liveusb only works in
 dd mode for me). Two issues so far: (1) missing Numerics package when

 By numerics do you mean numpy?

 I guess so. I think Numeric may be a deprecated package?

Yep, for years, been replaced by numpy so we should be using that, I'm
pretty sure we've not really shipped python-numeric for a good 5 years
now.

 try:
 from numpy.oldnumeric import ceil
 from numpy.fft import *
 except:
 from Numeric import ceil
 from FFT import *


 trying to run the Speak activity; (2) when I tried to skip specifying
 gender and age, it failed to finish the launch.

 -walter

 On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Thomas Gilliard satelli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On 03/14/2015 04:15 AM, Jean THIERY wrote:

 Hello,

 Thank you for this information.

 Where can we simply find the newest iso file (Fedora+Sugar) ?


 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/

 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Beta-TC1.iso
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_Beta_TC1/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22_Beta-TC1.iso

 you can also follow links to nightly builds here:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Beta_TC1_Installation?rd=Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_23

 Tom Gilliard
 satellit on freenode IRC #sugar


 Soon on Internet,

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 === Original message ===
 Le 10/03/2015 19:52, Peter Robinson a écrit :

 Hi All,

 Fedora 22 Alpha is out. Please test SoaS v22 :-)

 There's a few minor known issues:
 * Obviously 0.104.1 isn't in it just yet [1] :-)
 * gabble and salut are missing, to fix: sudo yum install
 telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut on the command line. This is already
 fixed and will be in the nightly builds RSN

 There's also a number of Activities that have issues so please test,
 fix and if necessary let me know if you need some help!

 [1] Update is
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-runner-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-datastore-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-artwork-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-0.104.1-1.fc22


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us
 Date: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM
 Subject: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!
 To: annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
 devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
 test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Fedora 22 Alpha Release Announcement
 

 The Fedora 22 Alpha release has arrived, with a preview of the latest
 free and open source technology under development. Take a peek inside!

• Get Fedora 22 Alpha Workstation
  https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/prerelease/

• Get Fedora 22 Alpha Server
  https://getfedora.org/en/server/prerelease/

• Get Fedora 22 Alpha Cloud
  https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/prerelease/

• Get Fedora 22 Alpha Spins
  https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease

 What is the Alpha release?
 ==

 The Alpha release contains all the exciting features of Fedora 22's
 editions in a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided by
 the Fedora QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When these bugs
 are fixed, we make a Beta release available. A Beta release is
 code-complete and bears a very strong resemblance to the third and
 final release. The final release of Fedora 22 is expected in May.

 We need your help to make Fedora 22 the best release yet, so please
 take some time to download and try out the Alpha and make sure the
 things that are important to you are working well. If you find a bug,
 please report it – every bug you uncover is a chance to improve the
 experience for millions of Fedora users worldwide.

 Together, we can make Fedora 22 another rock-solid release. We have a
 culture of coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much
 as feasible, and your feedback will help improve not only Fedora but
 Linux and free software on the whole.

 Fedora 22 Cloud
 ===

 The Fedora 22 Cloud Edition builds on the work completed during the
 Fedora 21 cycle, and brings in a number of improvements that make
 Fedora 22 a superb choice for running Linux in the cloud.

 Ready for the Fedora 22 release, we have:

• The latest versions of rpm-ostree and rpm-ostree-toolbox. You can
  even use rpm-ostree-toolbox to generate your own Atomic hosts from
  a custom set of packages.

• A Vagrant image for Fedora 22 Atomic Host and Cloud Images. We're
  supplying Vagrant boxes that work with KVM or VirtualBox, so users
  on Fedora will be able to easily consume the Vagrant images with
  KVM, and users on Mac OS X or Windows can use the VirtualBox image.

• Tunir

[SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 22 Alpha!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

Fedora 22 Alpha is out. Please test SoaS v22 :-)

There's a few minor known issues:
* Obviously 0.104.1 isn't in it just yet [1] :-)
* gabble and salut are missing, to fix: sudo yum install
telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut on the command line. This is already
fixed and will be in the nightly builds RSN

There's also a number of Activities that have issues so please test,
fix and if necessary let me know if you need some help!

[1] Update is 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-runner-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-datastore-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-artwork-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.104.1-1.fc22,sugar-0.104.1-1.fc22


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is now handled by Software, instead of gnome-packagekit.
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notifications, and uses the privacy 

Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Fedora 22 Alpha Test Compose (SoaS 22)

[Peter Robinson]

I normally get them from the QA announcements

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2015-February/125244.html

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 There are any place to get the last link?

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I believe there's a TC7 now

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
  Downloading.
  I think I have a fix for Terminal, will test and release a new version.
 
  Gonzalo
 
  On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  The first compose towards SoaS 22 is out [2][3][4]. I've done some
  very basic testing and there's problems even failing to start with the
  following Activities:
  * Terminal
  * Speak
  * Pippy
  * Ruler
 
  So if someone could look and see why that would be fab!
 
  Also there's a plan to move to Libinput for F-22+. We have an option,
  at least at the moment to stick with the old input devices but it
  would be good for someone to review. Basically it doesn't impact
  standard use but the configuration of input devices so I'm not sure if
  the Keyboard control panel would need to be updated.
 
  Also a reminder we've dropped anything depending on
  sugar-presence-service (eToys) by default so if people really want it
  the time is now to get it fixed!
 
  Peter
 
  [1] fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg
  [2] ARM
 
  https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8406/9078406/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22_Alpha-TC6-sda.raw.xz
  [3] x86_64
 
  https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8357/9078357/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
  [4] i686
 
  https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8353/9078353/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Fedora 22 Alpha Test Compose (SoaS 22)

[Peter Robinson]

I believe there's a TC7 now

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Downloading.
 I think I have a fix for Terminal, will test and release a new version.

 Gonzalo

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi All,

 The first compose towards SoaS 22 is out [2][3][4]. I've done some
 very basic testing and there's problems even failing to start with the
 following Activities:
 * Terminal
 * Speak
 * Pippy
 * Ruler

 So if someone could look and see why that would be fab!

 Also there's a plan to move to Libinput for F-22+. We have an option,
 at least at the moment to stick with the old input devices but it
 would be good for someone to review. Basically it doesn't impact
 standard use but the configuration of input devices so I'm not sure if
 the Keyboard control panel would need to be updated.

 Also a reminder we've dropped anything depending on
 sugar-presence-service (eToys) by default so if people really want it
 the time is now to get it fixed!

 Peter

 [1] fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg
 [2] ARM
 https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8406/9078406/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22_Alpha-TC6-sda.raw.xz
 [3] x86_64
 https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8357/9078357/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
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 https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8353/9078353/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
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[SoaS] Fedora 22 Alpha Test Compose (SoaS 22)

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

The first compose towards SoaS 22 is out [2][3][4]. I've done some
very basic testing and there's problems even failing to start with the
following Activities:
* Terminal
* Speak
* Pippy
* Ruler

So if someone could look and see why that would be fab!

Also there's a plan to move to Libinput for F-22+. We have an option,
at least at the moment to stick with the old input devices but it
would be good for someone to review. Basically it doesn't impact
standard use but the configuration of input devices so I'm not sure if
the Keyboard control panel would need to be updated.

Also a reminder we've dropped anything depending on
sugar-presence-service (eToys) by default so if people really want it
the time is now to get it fixed!

Peter

[1] fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg
[2] ARM 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8406/9078406/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22_Alpha-TC6-sda.raw.xz
[3] x86_64 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8357/9078357/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
[4] i686 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8353/9078353/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22_Alpha-TC6.iso
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Re: [SoaS] [Release] Announcing Sugar 0.104.0 (stable)

[Peter Robinson]

 I am pleased to announce the release of Sugar (sucrose) 0.104.0. This
 release includes new features and bug fixes from Google Code-In and Summer
 of Code students, deployments and community members.

 See the release notes:

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Notes

 Sources:

 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.104.0.tar.xz
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.104.0.tar.xz
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.104.0.tar.xz
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.104.0.tar.xz
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.104.0.tar.xz


 Thanks to everyone who contributed to this release!

All packaged up and headed to Fedora 22+ just in time for the Alphas
to start. Look forward to all feedback and testing.

 P.S. According to our roadmap (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap),
 there will be one more release in a couple weeks hopefully with more
 translation updates!

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[SoaS] Sugar on a Stick going forward for F-22 onwards

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

With Fedora/SoaS 21 out for some time I think we have a good and stable release.

Firstly I'd like to thank the awesome test effort to get a large chuck
of testing done and fixes in for the deadline.

Moving forward I'm happy to coordinate and deal with the release
engineering side of things to get the release out, fixes in etc.

What I'd like help in is someone who is happy to coordinate testing
and general community communications and facilitation. As you might
have noticed this isn't one of my strong points! When I do remember to
send out notifications to the list it's amazing how people spring into
furious action and get things tested and fixes in place.

It's relatively straight forward, the Fedora schedule is always well
organised [1] as is their QA team.

Following the Fedora process, while slightly restrictive, has proven
to give us strong releases and deals with a lot of the back in process
so we don't have and I don't think it's in our interest in changing
that (and personally I have no interest to change that).

I'd also be interested interested to hear how people would like to
improve the release from a technical perspective. Is there anything
people have a few cycles to work and contribute on that they'd like to
see in the release?

The only change I currently plan is to drop the long dead
sugar-presence-service (it's been 5 years!!) and anything that depends
on it (eToys I'm looking at you!) as I think over 5 years to port away
from it is well and truly enough!

Peter

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule
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[SoaS] Fwd: Fedora 21 Final Release Candidate 5 (RC5) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

SoaS 21 RC5 is out (for about 8 hours) and looks like it might be GA.
Please test

Peter


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Date: Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:33 AM
Subject: Fedora 21 Final Release Candidate 5 (RC5) Available Now!
To: test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
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NOTE: Signing of the RC5 checksums is not yet complete. To be sure we're
testing the right bits we should remember to check that the images we
test match the signed checksum files once they're available, and of
course you can carefully check the TLS certificate of the server when
downloading the images. fedup tests may require the --nogpgcheck
parameter until the signed .treeinfo file is available. releng will
update and close the trac ticket when signing is complete.

As per the Fedora 21 schedule [1], Fedora 21 Final Release Candidate 5
(RC5) is now available for testing.

The difference between RC5 and RC4 is that the changes to python-blivet
and pyparted that were introduced in RC1 to fix bug #1166598 have been
reverted, as they were found to cause more serious problems than they
fixed. As this change affects the installer, all installation validation
tests should be run again. Existing RC4 test results for
post-installation tests will be considered valid and transferred into
the RC5 result pages; from now on, please do all testing with RC5
images.

Please see the following pages for download links (including delta ISOs)
and testing instructions. Normally dl.fedoraproject.org should provide
the fastest download, but download-ib01.fedoraproject.org is available
as a mirror (with an approximately 1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To
use it, just replace dl with download-ib01 in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Workstation and Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Server:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test

Cloud:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test

Summary:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

Ideally, all Alpha, Beta, and Final priority test cases for each of
these test pages [2] should pass in order to meet the Final Release
Criteria [3]. Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4],
or on the test list [5].

Create Fedora 21 Final test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC)
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6031

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current

[1] http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Final_Release_Criteria
[4] irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-qa
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Re: [SoaS] Pippy-62 with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-5

[Peter Robinson]

Pippy 62 is in RC5 (which will become GA on Tues).

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'll look into the tutorial errors but the physics bug I thought we
 fixed. Maybe the new version (62) did not make it into the build?

 -walter

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info 
 wrote:
 To whom it may concern,

 Hello,

 The following tests were run with the new version of Fedora-SoaS
 Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-5.iso   2014-12-03 21:05  713M
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_RC5/Live/i386/
 https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/
 initially parameterized in [French-France].

 Pippy-62 works well except for 3 tests.

 Graphics  Physics =

 Cannot load.

 I got the message :
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File: /home/liveuser/.sugar/default/org.laptop.Pippy/tmp/Physics.py,
   line 10, in module
 from pippy import physics
 ImportError: cannot import name physics

 More information on the attached file.


 Tutorials  Tutorial_03_range.py ===

 « if number1  number2 »  should be  « if number1  number2 »


 Tutorials  Tutorial_06_try_except.py ==

 « input »  should be  « raw_input »


 Soon on Internet,

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[SoaS] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 21 Final Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

[Peter Robinson]

FYI the Fedora 21 RC1 is out. It has all the recent Sugar/SoaS fixes
on board so please test :-)

I think we're looking pretty good though, thanks for all the recent feedback


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From: Andre Robatino robat...@fedoraproject.org
Date: Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 1:34 PM
Subject: [Test-Announce] Fedora 21 Final Release Candidate 1 (RC1)
Available Now!
To: test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


As per the Fedora 21 schedule [1], Fedora 21 Final Release Candidate 1
(RC1) is now available for testing. Content information, including
changes, can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6031#comment:21 . Please see the
following pages for download links (including delta ISOs) and testing
instructions. Normally dl.fedoraproject.org should provide the fastest
download, but download-ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a mirror
(with an approximately 1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it, just
replace dl with download-ib01 in the download URL.

Installation:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Workstation and Desktop:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

Server:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test

Cloud:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test

Summary:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary

Ideally, all Alpha, Beta, and Final priority test cases for each of
these test pages [2] should pass in order to meet the Final Release
Criteria [3]. Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4],
or on the test list [5].

Create Fedora 21 Final test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC)
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6031

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current

[1] http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Final_Release_Criteria
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Re: [SoaS] Memorize- with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-TC4

[Peter Robinson]

 I think the remaining error (activity no visible on the circle
 due to broken translation),
 is solved in the new sugar-toolkit-gtk3 rpm.
 May be you can download from here:
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=595456
 and confirm


 Thank you for this information.

 I don't know how to use rpm.

From in terminal run sudo yum upgrade --enablerepo=updates-testing sugar*

 I hope that these changes will be included in TC5 (?)
 so that I can run new tests.

All the fixes should land in the next release, they've all been
approved for freeze exception.

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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Testing Sugar Activities Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 You find it. I don't know why the bot directory should be deleted.
 I cc to peter, who maintain the rpm.

It goes back long before I was  the maintainer and was previously
working. The question is what does it do, and why when Speak has been
working for years does it suddenly break.

http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/sugar-speak.git/commit/?id=438f3796a85556873c5e45d6ba01ccfa558ca198

 Gonzalo

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
 i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2014-11-24 at 12:28 +, Iain Brown Douglas wrote:
  On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 19:15 +, Iain Brown Douglas wrote:
   On Sat, 2014-11-22 at 00:52 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
   
The folder bot/ and its contents were not in the
Speak.activity folder.
   
I deleted /usr/share/sugar/activities/Speak.activity/
I re-installed Speak by importing speak-48.xo with a USB
stick.
Alice is now running complete with brain.
   
   
Ok, that confirms the .xo is ok,
can you uninstall the activity again, and install the activity using
the rpm?
The rpm should be named sugar-speak
  
   Same behaviour after:
  
   sudo rpm -evv sugar-speak-48*
  
   then
  
   rpmbuild --rebuild -vv sugar-speak-48-1.fc21.src.rpm
  
   Alice: I don't know what you are talking about
  
   Directory bot/ is again missing
   from /usr/share/sugar/activities/Speak.activity/
  
  Two attachments,
 
 
  1. Speak11-Action2_attach
 
  This is the only mention that I found of the folder bot/ in the install
  logs.
 
 
  I cannot explain the line
 
  + rm -rf .0sugar bot
 
 Until I read sugar-speak.spec - line 32.

 Iain
 
  2. I made SpeakContentReview in case it throws any light.
 
  As I see it the differences are:
  AUTHORS
  bot/
  po/
  *.pyo
 
 
  Environment, hard drive install from Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.iso
 
  Iain
 
  
  
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Testing Sugar Activities Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:


 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
  You find it. I don't know why the bot directory should be deleted.
  I cc to peter, who maintain the rpm.

 It goes back long before I was  the maintainer and was previously
 working. The question is what does it do, and why when Speak has been
 working for years does it suddenly break.


 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/sugar-speak.git/commit/?id=438f3796a85556873c5e45d6ba01ccfa558ca198


 That patch removes the bots functionality. Looks like was done to make the
 activity
 work on systems with small memory (XO-1, probably)
 cc is Sebastian, the patch author, to check if this is still needed.

 I see 438f3796a85556873c5e45d6ba01ccfa558ca198 removes the bots directory,
 _and_ apply the patch  sugar-speak-no-aiml.patch, to remove the need of the
 bots data,
 but right now, we are not applying that patch, then would be better add the
 bot directory again.

I suspect it was sufficiently long ago that Seb won't remember the reason.

Ultimately we need to just sort it out here.

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Testing Sugar Activities Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva
sebast...@somosazucar.org wrote:
 btw it's sneaky to remove funcionality in a .spec file, no?

No, it's not, it happens all the time. It might be that it breaks in
certain situations, isn't re-distributable, causes problems the
upstream maintainer won't fix or any number of other reasons. What
ever the reason is it's historical and not documented, I wouldn't
assume malice. It's likely because translations or similar were broken
at the time. I mean we are talking the heady days of Fedora 14 when it
was removed!

Peter


 2014-11-25 7:46 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org:
 I added Alice and Sara (spanish bot) but was not aware it was removed.
 It certainly runs quite well in spanish XO1, as deployed in Peru.
 I was not aware of responsible for the removed functionality nor was I
 aware of any bugs related to it or performance.

 Please add it back
 Sebastian Silva
 http://somosazucar.org/



 2014-11-25 7:17 GMT-05:00 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org 
 wrote:


 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
  You find it. I don't know why the bot directory should be deleted.
  I cc to peter, who maintain the rpm.

 It goes back long before I was  the maintainer and was previously
 working. The question is what does it do, and why when Speak has been
 working for years does it suddenly break.


 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/sugar-speak.git/commit/?id=438f3796a85556873c5e45d6ba01ccfa558ca198


 That patch removes the bots functionality. Looks like was done to make the
 activity
 work on systems with small memory (XO-1, probably)
 cc is Sebastian, the patch author, to check if this is still needed.

 I see 438f3796a85556873c5e45d6ba01ccfa558ca198 removes the bots directory,
 _and_ apply the patch  sugar-speak-no-aiml.patch, to remove the need of the
 bots data,
 but right now, we are not applying that patch, then would be better add the
 bot directory again.

 I suspect it was sufficiently long ago that Seb won't remember the reason.

 Ultimately we need to just sort it out here.

 Peter
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Re: [SoaS] EToys-116 - Tests with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-TC3

[Peter Robinson]

 EToys-116 displays
 « Cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'initsqueak -m'? »
 After clicking on this message,
 the screen is filled by cars and is not usable.


 That looks weird ... does it work if you run etoys from the Terminal
 activity?


 Thank you Bert for your reply,
 Yes, Etoys starts ok when I simply:
 run etoys from the Terminal activity.
 Why is this? what is wrong with the Sugar launcher?


 I have no idea.
 The error message should actually mean it doesn't work at all.
 But you're saying it is running, albeit incorrectly (screen filled with
 cars).
 Maybe those two are unrelated.
 The latter might have to do with being run full-screen vs. windowed.
 We didn't change anything in Etoys so I think it must be some
 environmental change?

 - Bert -


 Below you will find some comments on EToys-116 tested
 with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21-TC3 (run in English or in French).
 Previous tests were run with Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.

I've been considering dropping etoys for a number of releases, the
maintainer has been asked to migrate away from the long deprecated
sugar-presence-service for years and still hasn't. I've not seen, at
least announced on the standard sugar lists, a new version of it for
quite some time. I think it's time to drop it.

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] Testing Sugar Activities Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4

[Peter Robinson]

 On Fri, 2014-11-21 at 11:55 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
  Hi Iain,
  Can you copy the attached file to the path where the help activity is
  installed
  and confirm if the problem is solved?

 Yes, Help now starts and displays complete with images.


 Perfect. I will do a new release.


  The activity should start and show the images
  in the help pages.

 However, I have not seen Help available from any tested Activity's icon
 in the Frame.


 Right, we need apply a patch in Sugar to do the same change.
 Maybe we can include the patch in the rpm too, if we don't have a new
 release
 before F21.

New release of what before F-21? I've seen the new Help and I'll push
that as an update today. I'm going to file for a freeze exception to
get a few Activities updated for GA but Fedora is now in freeze so any
other fixes need to be ASAP.

Peter


 
  On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Gonzalo Odiard
  godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
  Thanks by the logs.
  Now I understand what is happening with the Help activity.
  Our hack to create symlinks for the _static and _images
  directories
  don't work if the activity is installed in /usr because we
  don't have write permission.
  One alternative is rewrite the links at the client side with
  javascript.
 
 
  I don't understand what is happening with the Memorize
  activity.
 
 
  About Speak, please check if there are a file bot/alice.brn in
  the activity directory.
  The file is included in the
  sources
  http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Speak/Speak-48.tar.bz2
 
 
  Gonzalo
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
  i...@browndouglas.plus.com wrote:
 
  Thank you for all the work put into this new version
  of Sugar on a
  Stick.
 
  In brief testing, Sugar on a Stick prepared on a USB
  stick with
  Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-21_Beta-4.iso seems to run
  mostly as expected.
 
  Help is not available from any tested Activity's icon
  in the Frame.
  Help 17.2 does not start, reports Help Failed to
  Start.
 
  Speak  48, works in type some text mode. In ask a
  question mode
  Alice always replies I do not understand what you are
  talking about
 
  Memorize 48, does not start, reports Memorize Failed
  to Start.
 
  Etoys 116 fails.
  A dialog Cannot find image file: squeak, did you run
  'initsqueak -m'?
  is seen, followed by a Sorry, best to abandon (or
  similar) message.
 
  Alternatively,
  [liveuser@localhost ~]$ inisqueak -m
  No default image, looking for alternatives...
 
  I could not find an image to install.
  Did you install squeak-image?
  Please check your Squeak installation.
 
  In the second case Etoys opens, rapidly becomes
  unusable, and will
  will not close with Stop button,
 
 
  I have attached logs from the 4 Activities.
 
  With thanks
 
  Iain
 
 
 
 
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[SoaS] SoaS 21 Beta is now available

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

The Sugar on a Stick 21 Beta is now out as part of Fedora 21 Beta

https://fedoraproject.org/get-spin-prerelease

Details are available here

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2014-November/003238.html

Regards,
Peter
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS 10 liveinst OK but two questions

[Peter Robinson]

 I successfully added GNOME (500 transactions!), however the system is
 unstable now - neither Sugar nor GNOME can shut down or reboot the system,
 and the package installer under GNOME fails systematically. I saw on the
 forums yumex is a possible solution, but wanted your POV first.

I've never seen that before. I would always use just plain yum from
the cli first. Maybe also run sudo yum groupinstall @gnome-desktop
then a sudo yum upgrade from a terminal to make sure you've got all
and the latest components.

 I looked for the Sugar/GNOME switcher but didn't find it, did a # yum
 install olpc-switch-desktop which brought it in. Oddly, GNOME - Sugar
 worked (login at blue screen still necessary), but Sugar - GNOME froze the
 machine.

At the login screen there should be a little gear icon when you click
on the user. From there you can select the different desktops that are
available on the system.

gnome3 and sugar when running as a standard distro don't support the
swap of desktop UX like the XO laptops do. With out going into massive
amounts of technical detail basically it's too much work for one
person to get right and support on the thousands of HW graphics
configurations out there to support it close to well so you need to
logout and login.

 The system boots with the Sugar animation, then displays the GNOME 3 login
 screen with the blue background, the desktop choice is hidden under a wrench
 icon at top right.

Not a gear just below the user when you click it?

 A hunch, perhaps there is an issue with the account rights? There is still
 only one account, the admin account native to SoaS I don't remember
 seeing a screen recommending a user account during the Anaconda liveinst.
 The parameters screen in GNOME would not let me edit or add any accounts.

Should have come up as a first boot post install.

 Perhaps repairing this is not time well spent - it's a blank machine,
 perhaps I'd be better off doing a vanilla F20 install and adding Sugar to
 it?

Possibly, start with gnome3 desktop and then do a yum groupinstall
@sugar-desktop

 Note: only 512Mb of RAM and 7 Gb of disk space, could be a contributing
 factors... I have ordered another 1Gb (max for this netbook).

1Gb is OK on my eeePC901 netbook
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:47 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 Fred,

 Thanks for testing.

 Peter,

 Is there any reason we need elements in the build? I don't think it is
 used by anything but Physics in Sugar and Physics carries its own copy
 with it.

Why do we need to bundle it? Ultimately Fedora has a policy of not
bundling libraries so I suspect it was using the upstream rather than
a random fork.

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Re: [SoaS] Jukebox, Read and Write - Re: SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Peter Robinson]

Hmm, so by the sound of it we have some issues with non English
translations where the icon disappears if a language other than
English is selected. Walter can you shed any light on this?

Peter

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Jean THIERY jean.thi...@modlibre.info wrote:
 Hello Peter,

 Le 08/12/2013 22:44, Peter Robinson a écrit :

 Hi Jean,

 JUKEBOX 


 Please strip out the details of the older versions, once a new version
 comes out the old information only confuses, details will be in the
 list archives.

 TC5--- Jukebox.activity appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC5--- Jukebox DOES NOT appear in the user window (icons OR list)


 It appears in both on mine when testing (same image but x86_64)


 I created one « x86_64-20-TC5 » CD and one « i686-20-TC5 » CD.

 With these CD's, Jukebox is well displayed in the user window
 (icons OR list) and seems to work [ok].

 The I created a new « i686-20-TC5 » USB key.
 With this USB key, Jukebox is well displayed in the user window
 (icons OR list) and seems to work [ok].

 When I choose the French (France) language on the USB key,
 Jukebox is no more displayed in the user window (icons OR list) !
 Even if the USB key is booted again.

 NB: Jukebox is the same word in English and in French.

 If I choose again the English language on the USB key,
 Jukebox is displayed in the user window (icons OR list) !

 NB: Spanish (Spain) seems to work like English !

 READ 


 TC3--- Original read-92 appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC3--- BUT does not appear on the user screen [F3 key]
 TC3---
 TC3--- read-92 installed later on by terminal [does not start]
 TC3--- BUT can be updated automatically to read-111
 TC3---
 TC3--- read-111 updated from read-92 seems to work [ok]


 We've never shipped v92 with this release of SoaS so I have no idea
 where your getting this from


 I installed read-92 with the terminal
 because the TC5 version number was not displayed
 on the French version !

 TC5--- Read.activity appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC5--- Read DOES NOT appear in the user window (icons OR list)


 It appears in both on mine when testing


 With the previous two CD's, Read is well displayed in the user window
 (icons OR list) and seems to work [ok].

 With the above USB key, Read is well displayed in the user window
 (icons OR list) and seems to work [ok].

 If I choose the French language on the USB key,
 Read is no more displayed in the user window (icons OR list),
 even if the USB key is booted again.

 NB: Read is translated Lire in French.

 If I choose again the English language on the USB key,
 Read is displayed in the user window (icons OR list).

 NB: Spanish (Spain) seems to work like English !


 WRITE 


 TC5--- Integrated write_94 seems to work [ok]
 TC5--- BUT sometimes there are PROBLEMS with spelling texts (- quit)
 TC5--- and saving texts (- impossible to quit).


 There's a known problem with saving but I'm yet to see a fix.

 Peter


 When I choose the French language :
 Écrire (Write) is well displayed in the user window
 (icons OR list) and seems to work [ok] (except for saving).

 NB : Write is translated Écrire in French.

 Sincerely yours,

 Jean [Jean.Thiery(ò)ModLibre.info][http://ModLibre.info/]
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 TC5 tests with important activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Peter Robinson]

Hi Jean,

 JUKEBOX 

Please strip out the details of the older versions, once a new version
comes out the old information only confuses, details will be in the
list archives.

 TC5--- Jukebox.activity appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC5--- Jukebox DOES NOT appear in the user window (icons OR list)

It appears in both on mine when testing (same image but x86_64)

 READ 

 TC3--- Original read-92 appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC3--- BUT does not appear on the user screen [F3 key]
 TC3---
 TC3--- read-92 installed later on by terminal [does not start]
 TC3--- BUT can be updated automatically to read-111
 TC3---
 TC3--- read-111 updated from read-92 seems to work [ok]

We've never shipped v92 with this release of SoaS so I have no idea
where your getting this from

 TC5--- Read.activity appears in /usr/share/sugar/activities
 TC5--- Read DOES NOT appear in the user window (icons OR list)

It appears in both on mine when testing

 WRITE 

 TC5--- Integrated write_94 seems to work [ok]
 TC5--- BUT sometimes there are PROBLEMS with spelling texts (- quit)
 TC5--- and saving texts (- impossible to quit).

There's a known problem with saving but I'm yet to see a fix.

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 TC3 tests with usual activities INCLUDED in the standard distribution

[Peter Robinson]

 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 physics-11 seems to work [ok]
 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 *but has PROBLEMS with the hand*
 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 See previous messages

 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 physics-11.8 seems to work [ok]
 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 *but has PROBLEMS with the hand*
 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 See previous messages

 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 pippy-52 seems to work [ok] in general
 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 *but has PROBLEMS with some Python examples*
 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 *such as Life, Physics and ALL sounds*

 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 pippy-53 seems to work [ok] in general
 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 *but has PROBLEMS with some Python examples*
 Beta-5 TC3 TC5 *such as Life and ALL sounds*
  TC5  For sounds there are messages such as
  TC5 « NameError: global name '...' is not defined »


Thanks for the reports in general but each individual error should be
reported to the Activity maintainers.

Peter
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[SoaS] SoaS v10 Test Compose 3

[Peter Robinson]

Hi All,

For those that are following along and testing the new SoaS release
there's a new test compose out. It has a number of fixes in and Write
should be back in the build by default.

Fedora is now in Freeze locking down for release so we're into bugfix
only mode but if we could get a fix soon for things like the Write
save to journal bug we should be able to land it in time.

Both ARM and x86 images can be grabbed here:
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC3/Images/armhfp/
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-TC3/Live/

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] [Patch] Missing dependencies - sugar

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jerry Vonau jvo...@shaw.ca wrote:
  Hi All:
 
  On SoaS ever wonder why you can't view other SoaSs or XOs on your local
  lan once you delete My Setting - Network - Server: value? Well
  for that to work sugar needs to have avahi-tools installed. This really
  is a requirement of sugar and should not rely on the build-system to
  provide that dependency. Patch to sugar.spec attached.

 Good catch! Applied locally to my Fedora specs, I'll push a build when
 I get the next 0.100 stable release tomorrow.

 Peter


 Could this bug be related to this?
 https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4410

Nope, completely unrelated.
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 testing with activities not included in the standard distribution

[Peter Robinson]

 7 activities cannot be installed.
 The error message makes reference to
 [sugar3.bundle.bundle.MalFormedBundleException]

What 7?

 Many activities cannot start.
 Some start then stop.

Again which ones?

 *Essential activities* (not in SoaS 10)

Three of the 4 you mention below are in SoaS 10 and they run just fine.

 jukebox-26.xo [ok]
 jukebox-32.xo [does not start]

We ship Jukebox 32 and it runs (tested on Final TC2)

 read_92.xo  [does not start]
 read_111.xo [reads texts but displays errors]

Again we ship Read 111 and it works.

 read_etexts-24.xo [to be checked]
 read_etexts-26.xo [to be checked]

No idea what this is, we ship Get Books 14 and it works with Read

 write_79 [does not start]
 write_94 [does not start]

We ship Write 94 and it works just fine


 *Child activities* (not in SoaS 10)

You could package up Activities you would like for Fedora and we can
review them as an option for shipping.

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] No keyboard choice - Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

[Peter Robinson]

 woops,
 That should read perhaps sugar-cp-keyboard can replace sugar-cp-powerd


 Attached proposed change to sugar's spec file and a merge request[1] for
 the sugar change. Tested on SoaS-F20-5 liveinst in a VM.

 Jerry

 1. https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/135

Can we get this in the 0.100.1 release for this week?

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

[Peter Robinson]

Hi,

 Hello,

 I would like to test SoaS v10 beta directly on a USB key.

 I have a G1G1 XO-1 computer but XO computers are not easily
 available for the public at large. So during my demonstrations
 I prefer to present Sugar on a Stick in parallel with the XO :
 http://ModLibre.info/en/modlibre/info/demo.html

 Is is possible to get an iso image
 which could be installed and tested on a usb key ?

 Or when will it be possible ?


 It's possible now, there's details of where you can get
 the images from in my original email

 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2013-November/003184.html


 Thank you for this information.

 I downloaded « *Fedora-Live-Soas-i686-20-Beta-5.iso* »
 from  http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease#desktops

 I used a previous procedure with « tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh »
 to prepare a booting 4G USB key.

 All activities were analyzed with rapid tests.

 Nearly everything is OK except for the following points :

 - In My parameters there is no icon for keyboard choice.
   So, it is not possible to get a localized keyboard.

 - The eToys activity (version 116) does not start properly
   then displays
   « cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'inisqueak-m' ? »

The eToys developers are basically unresponsive, I'm in two minds
whether we even bother to ship it because they can't be bothered doing
things like updating to the latest sugar by migrating away from
sugar-presence-service/ which was deprecated a long time ago.

 - The Physics activity (version 11) works well
   BUT stops when we try to displace an object with the little hand.

Can you take the log file and send to sugar-devel list.

 - The previous Jukebox, Read, Rule and Write activities
   do not appear : is it normal ?

I'm not sure what you mean by previous and do not appear

 - NB: Jukebox.activity and Read.activity are present
   in « /usr/share/sugar/activities

Are they in the Activities list? (the icon with lines in the top right
of the home screen)

 Is there a public list where I can send similar diagnostic files ?

Either the SoaS list or sugar-devel should be fine, both were on the
original message.

Peter
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS v10 testing and a few minor issues with 0.100

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Hello,

 I would like to test SoaS v10 beta directly on a USB key.

 I have a G1G1 XO-1 computer but XO computers are not easily
 available for the public at large. So during my demonstrations
 I prefer to present Sugar on a Stick in parallel with the XO :
 http://ModLibre.info/en/modlibre/info/demo.html

 Is is possible to get an iso image
 which could be installed and tested on a usb key ?

 Or when will it be possible ?


 It's possible now, there's details of where you can get
 the images from in my original email

 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2013-November/003184.html


 Thank you for this information.

 I downloaded « *Fedora-Live-Soas-i686-20-Beta-5.iso* »
 from  http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease#desktops

 I used a previous procedure with « tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh »
 to prepare a booting 4G USB key.

 All activities were analyzed with rapid tests.

 Nearly everything is OK except for the following points :

 - In My parameters there is no icon for keyboard choice.
   So, it is not possible to get a localized keyboard.

 - The eToys activity (version 116) does not start properly
   then displays
   « cannot find image file: squeak, did you run 'inisqueak-m' ? »

 The eToys developers are basically unresponsive, I'm in two minds
 whether we even bother to ship it because they can't be bothered doing
 things like updating to the latest sugar by migrating away from
 sugar-presence-service/ which was deprecated a long time ago.

 - The Physics activity (version 11) works well
   BUT stops when we try to displace an object with the little hand.

 I need to work with the maintainer to accept the patches that fix
 this. I can give you a tarball for 11.8 in the meanwhile, if you'd
 like.

 http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/Physics-11.8.xo

Or a patch will do too.

Peter
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