[SOCIAL CREDIT] lane

2003-06-04 Thread Triumphofthepast
Dear Friends, "This engineer has proposed and described a socioeconomic system (Socioeconomic Democracy) which (almost trivially) accomplishes what the engineer Douglas had in mind." (Robley George) Could I ask Robley to elaborate on this please? I realize he has pointed to a book and a website,

RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Growth vs Prosperity

2003-06-04 Thread william_b_ryan
I propose we go through your logical chain step by step. At this point it is impossible to get beyond step number 2 without additional information. --1. Government levies taxes (economy-wide) in order to allow a certain portion of society, engaged in activities there is no market for, to

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] money [was SOCIAL CREDIT] Ludwig Mises, Adam Smith, and the

2003-06-04 Thread W. Curtiss Priest
Jeff wrote: Lucid, Curt. Please elaborate on this section: The President has the power, by executive order, to convert all T bills to 30 year bonds. In doing so, he could: 1. Reduce the probability of default on government borrowings (debt) That is, how is that possible

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] lane, and Joe ThompsonĀ“s reply

2003-06-04 Thread sutton
Good day to all, I favour the name Economic Democracy which, if I remember correctly, was suggested by Marielle. The trouble is that that name would also be hijacked sooner than we think. So we might as well stick with what we have -- but expose the thieves. I notice that even in local

[SOCIAL CREDIT] Spiralling credit

2003-06-04 Thread sutton
Good day to all. I believe it is proven that The real price that you are being asked to pay for the things you use in your daily life is what you do in fact pay, plus what the system says you ought to pay; and what you ought to pay is the debt. Quoted by Michael. In our country Pyramid Scemes

RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Growth vs Prosperity

2003-06-04 Thread william_b_ryan
Okay, I've looked at it in the list archives at http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/pkt/2003II/msg00174.html . In that post you refer to the three fundamental axioms below. But below I see sixteen steps. Before that you say: I believe that axiomatically setting the What, Why, and Who The

RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Growth vs Prosperity

2003-06-04 Thread william_b_ryan
So you continue to avoid the question. What are the three basic axioms upon which you base your step 2? Unless you state what they are, step number 2 is the fundamental axiom upon which you base everything that follows. -- - Original Message - DATE: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:19:08

re: John Vertegaal vertegaa@vcn.bc.ca and RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Growth vs Prosp

2003-06-04 Thread W. Curtiss Priest
I will only briefly state something that I've said to several lists. No economy, social credit or not, can sustain itself if it depends on growth. The reason is quite simple. There is a level of resource sustainabilility that bounds the problem. I believe, for all discussive purposes, we

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Douglas and organic farming

2003-06-04 Thread Keith Wilde
Dear Barry, I have lost my copy of the book, so you may well be right about the title. And the date of publication seems spot on. From what I recall of it, she was addressing political movements that were informed and motivated by ideas ofecology. I was surprised to see mention of Social

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] reply to jessop

2003-06-04 Thread sutton
On Sunday 01 Jun 2003 6:48 pm, Bill wrote: I dispute the conclusion to the first sentence. But if decrease in the levels of crime and [increase in] attendance at schools is the only benefit, wouldn't that alone be sufficient justification for the dividend? Wouldn't all of us be less poor?

[SOCIAL CREDIT] Growth and Prosperity

2003-06-04 Thread Keith Wilde
Having spent at least as many years among the anti-growth crowd as I have with my original indignationover socioeconomic injustice, I have settled in on the general outlook expressed by Ekky Irion. Nevertheless, as it is conventionally defined and measured there can be no doubt that

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2003-06-04 Thread ThomsonHiyu
In a message dated 6/3/03 9:42:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good day to all, I favour the name Economic Democracy which, if I remember correctly, was suggested by Marielle. The trouble is that that name would also be hijacked sooner than we think. So we might as well