Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] coal

2003-06-12 Thread Victor Bridger
A few years ago in Tasmania there was quite a stir. The government wanted to stop logging in certain pristine forests. The logging was for timber to be exported to Japan for the wood-chip industry. The logging companies complained that it would put them out of business. In other words they

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] population

2003-06-12 Thread Victor Bridger
Correct Bill. VicB - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] population The justification for excessive industrialism is that it is necessary to pump money into

RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Social Credit at War?: Wally concurs.

2003-06-12 Thread Wallace M. Klinck
Yes, indeed! We are at war with the policy of the current financial system--and the financial system is at war with Civilization. Moreover,because of the financial system all the elements and sectors of society are at war, one with the other--all because of a misguided Puritan philosophy

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Enough is enough

2003-06-12 Thread sutton
On Thursday 12 Jun 2003 7:11 am, Vic wrote: Perhaps a thought should be given to the saying, Enough is enough. How do we know when it is enough? The answer is - After the event and the result is obtained. We all know the principle of what happens when we flush the toilet. How much water does

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] coal

2003-06-12 Thread ekkirion
Dear Friends of Social Credit, I've been lucky because before coming onto this list Joe Thomson has spent much time patiently writing me many pages of down-to-earth 'hands on' examples explaining where/how the waste inefficiency is generated. Despite my readiness/willingness to receive

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] coal

2003-06-12 Thread ekkirion
"What are the useless products converted from prairie grain?" (Keith) Let me see how this experience of mine from decades before I came across Social credit when I lived in England. A farm manger friend who became director of the British Milk Marketing Board told me that EEC subsidies were

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] coal and forests

2003-06-12 Thread ThomsonHiyu
In a message dated 6/11/03 2:44:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK Joe, I do understand the full employment boondoggle aspect very well. The issue is its magnitude. On the point of deliberate sabotage, I wonder if there isn't a lot of rumor involved. One of the most

RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] 3principles: Financing Production--Wally to Bill

2003-06-12 Thread william_b_ryan
Wally, I see it in the archives. For some reason it didn't reach my inbox. I was bewildered by Michael's characterization that you said something about the investment of savings to pay off the loan. --The two ways of financing production he describes are (a) direct investment of savings in

RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] population--reply to Keith

2003-06-12 Thread william_b_ryan
--Bill, what is the role of RD and of marketing in the social credit concept?-- The dividend and discount compensate for the endemic shortage of purchasing power. That shortage raises the level of competition beyond what would be expected in a free market without the shortage.** It is

RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] basicincome

2003-06-12 Thread william_b_ryan
--A basic income financed by new credits would be inflationary without limitations on markup.-- Not true. ---original message--- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:59:16 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SOCIAL CREDIT] basicincome To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] basicincome

2003-06-12 Thread Triumphofthepast
Thanks. In future I'll just add "Ryan's objection noted" to all my messages and save you the trouble. Michael==^^=== This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84IaC.bcVIgP.YXJjaGl2 Or

[SOCIAL CREDIT] the nature of price

2003-06-12 Thread william_b_ryan
--Did Douglas not suggest a limitation on on markups?-- I don't believe he did. The quote you supply I do not believe is from Douglas. It's not phrased the way he would put it. It doesn't sound like him. Furthermore, it relates to the discount program, not the dividend. There is some

Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] coal and forests

2003-06-12 Thread Keith Wilde
Thanks Joe. One of the points I was looking for especially in your reply was treated in this piece of information: there is no effort made to market lower grade, non-exportable logs, locally, unless these logs can return their full logging cost, which they often can't. This is timber that