Re: [Softwires] Sorry for being a noise generator, inflating the results. Re: Result from the consensus call on Map vs 4rd-U and official way forward

2012-04-27 Thread Wojciech Dec
Joel, allow me to ask you as an observer some questions: 1. If this WG is not for the WG members, of all cuts sizes, to work in then what is it for? 2. If the chairs of this WG are unable to steer, form and then actually measure consensus, and in due course also end up disenfranchising WG

Re: [Softwires] Sorry for being a noise generator, inflating the results. Re: Result from the consensus call on Map vs 4rd-U and official way forward

2012-04-27 Thread Leaf yeh
I also believe the additional progress and the expert review on the draft will make thing better than today. Everyone got the chance to develop himself. So pls. keep to work on what you love. I meant the result of the last poll (73=2) have you continue your own story. Right? Best Regards,

Re: [Softwires] Sorry for being a noise generator, inflating the results. Re: Result from the consensus call on Map vs 4rd-U and official way forward

2012-04-26 Thread Joel M. Halpern
If I may, it seems to me that several of these replies miss some important points in the message from the chairs. 1) It became clear during the WG poll that the documents were not complete. This is not a bad thing. We need to finish them. 2) The poll did indicate that there is interest in

Re: [Softwires] Sorry for being a noise generator, inflating the results. Re: Result from the consensus call on Map vs 4rd-U and official way forward

2012-04-26 Thread Maoke
the problems here are: 1. a lot of people were hurt by the chairs, IMHO, disparaging language. wording like inflate generate noise is unfair and impolite. 2. it has been well known that documents were not complete. it was not needed to make a poll to indicate it. they are not complete != they are