Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-12-01 Thread Nicolas Paris
Hi Mark, Have you shared with the community all the weaknesses of solrcloud you have in mind and the advice to overcome that? Apparently you wrote most of that code and your feedback would be helpful for community. Regards On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 09:31:34PM -0600, Mark Miller wrote: > I’d

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-30 Thread Mark Miller
I’d also like to say the last 5 years of my life have been spent being paid to upgrade Solr systems. I’ve made a lot of doing this. As I said from the start - take this for what it’s worst. For his guys it’s not worth much. That’s cool. And it’s a little inside joke that I’ll be back :) I joke a

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-30 Thread Mark Miller
I said the key people understand :) I’ve worked in Lucene since 2006 and have an insane amount of the code foot print in Solr and SolrCloud :) Look up the stats. Do you have any contributions? I said the key people know. Solr stand-alone is and has been very capable. People are working around

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-30 Thread Dave
I’m young here I think, not even 40 and only been using solr since like 2008 or so, so like 1.4 give or take. But I know a really good therapist if you want to talk about it. > On Nov 30, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Mark Miller wrote: > > Now I have sacrificed to give you a new chance. A little for my

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-30 Thread Mark Miller
Now I have sacrificed to give you a new chance. A little for my community. It was my community. But it was mostly for me. The developer I started as would kick my ass today. Circumstances and luck has brought money to our project. And it has corrupted our process, our community, and our code. In

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-28 Thread Mark Miller
It’s going to haunt me if I don’t bring up Hossman. I don’t feel I have to because who doesn’t know him. He is a treasure that doesn’t spend much time on SolrCloud and has checked out of leadership for the large part for reasons I won’t argue with. Why doesn’t he do much with SolrCloud in a real

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-28 Thread Mark Miller
I’m including this response to a private email because it’s not something I’ve brought up and I also think it’s a critical note: “Yes. That is our biggest advantage. Being Apache. Almost no one seems to be employed to help other contributors get their work in at the right level, and all the money

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-28 Thread Mark Miller
Yes. That is our biggest advantage. Being Apache. Almost no one seems to be employed to help other contributors get their work in at the right level, and all the money has ensured the end of the hobbyist. I hope that changes too. Thanks for the note. Mark On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 1:55 PM Paras

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-28 Thread Mark Miller
The people I have identified that I have the most faith in to lead the fixing of Solr are Ishan, Noble and David. I encourage you all to look at and follow and join in their leadership. You can do this. Mark -- - Mark http://about.me/markrmiller

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-28 Thread Paras Lehana
Hey Mark, I was actually expecting (and wanting) this after your LinkedIn post. At this point, the best way to use Solr is as it’s always been - avoid > SolrCloud and setup your own system in standalone mode. That's what I have been telling people who are just getting started with Solr and

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-27 Thread Mark Miller
Now one company thinks I’m after them because they were the main source of the jokes. Companies is not a typo. If you are using Solr to make or save tons of money or run your business and you employee developers, please include yourself in this list. You are taking and in my opinion Solr is

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-27 Thread Walter Underwood
I’m a big fan of master/slave Solr. Super robust and trivial to scale-out. Solr Cloud has been useful for managing sharding and replicas, but less robust than I would like. Also less robust than my managers would like. It has gotten a bad reputation, only partially undeserved. I’m also not

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-27 Thread Mark Miller
If SolrCloud worked well I’d still agree both options are very valid depending on your use case. As it is, I’m embarrassed that people give me any credit for this. I’m here to try and delight users and I have failed in that. I tried to put a lot of my own time to address things outside of working

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-27 Thread David Hastings
Personally I found nothing in solr cloud worth changing from standalone for, and just added more complications, more servers, and required becoming an expert/knowledgeable in zoo keeper, id rather spend my time developing than becoming a systems administrator On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 3:45 AM Mark

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-27 Thread Mark Miller
This is your queue to come and make your jokes with your name attached. I’m sure the Solr users will appreciate them more than I do. I can’t laugh at this situation because I take production code seriously. -- - Mark http://about.me/markrmiller

Re: A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-27 Thread Mark Miller
And if you are a developer, enjoy that Gradle build! It was the highlight of my year. On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 10:00 AM Mark Miller wrote: > If you have a SolrCloud installation that is somehow working for you, > personally I would never upgrade. The software is getting progressively > more

A Last Message to the Solr Users

2019-11-27 Thread Mark Miller
If you have a SolrCloud installation that is somehow working for you, personally I would never upgrade. The software is getting progressively more unstable every release. I wrote most of the core of SolrCloud in a prototype fashion many, many years ago. Only Yonik’s isolated work is solid and