Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-11 Thread Rowan Kerr
On 8-Apr-07, at 1:01 PM, Mark Wahl wrote: FYI if you are carrying attribuets in OpenID AX that are equivalent to LDAP attributes with attribute types being standardized in the IETF, then you could use our LDAP schema definition metadata. We have resolvable HTTP URIs for each of the

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-10 Thread Rowan Kerr
On 9-Apr-07, at 8:23 PM, Recordon, David wrote: Is there a list anywhere? I didn't find one in the documents and I think this list would benefit everyone in the conversation. I'm just curious as to the fields you're expecting an OP to implement. While at Standard, I ended up hosting our

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-10 Thread Dick Hardt
On 9-Apr-07, at 5:24 PM, Recordon, David wrote: Yes, I agree an upgrade path from SREG is needed. We could however do something as simple as http://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration- extension-1_0.html#ni ckname for the existing SREG fields. by making this a fragment, you force

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-10 Thread Rowan Kerr
On 10-Apr-07, at 12:21 AM, Dick Hardt wrote: On 9-Apr-07, at 5:24 PM, Recordon, David wrote: Yes, I agree an upgrade path from SREG is needed. We could however do something as simple as http://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration- extension-1_0.html#nickname for the existing SREG

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-10 Thread Rowan Kerr
On 10-Apr-07, at 9:39 AM, Josh Hoyt wrote: On 4/10/07, Rowan Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the main difference I'm seeing at the moment is that SREG doesn't specifically request each value it wants, except in openid.sreg.required and openid.sreg.optional. Um, that is exactly how

RE: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-10 Thread Drummond Reed
On 9-Apr-07, at 5:24 PM, Recordon, David wrote: Yes, I agree an upgrade path from SREG is needed. We could however do something as simple as http://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration- extension-1_0.html#ni ckname for the existing SREG fields. Dick wrote: by making this a

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread Recordon, David
schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions) On 4/6/07 6:07 PM, Dick Hardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone implementing would like to do something different, then I'd welcome additional discussion, otherwise I think we should be able to move forward with the proposal. For what it's worth

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread Brian Hernacki
The short answer is yes. The longer answer is that while in a perfect world we¹d have some great common schema we could just use, I¹m not aware of any today. I worry that attempting to navigate the existing schema efforts would introduce significant delay. Also, approaching compatibility with a

Fwd: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread Douglas Otis
On Apr 9, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Brian Hernacki wrote: For what it's worth, as an implementer... I think it makes sense to come to agreement within the OpenID community and get something working first. While I appreciate the issues involved with having multiple protocols and attribute

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread Johannes Ernst
Are you really proposing that we should redefine First Name again? Probably badly, as it has been done 1 times before? (because previous experience in, say, representing the name structure in non- western societies, typically doesn't get reused when things get redefined?) My point, of

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread James Walker
Well, I'll stick my neck out here for my first post since AX drives most of my interest in OpenID (aside from being an identity junkie in general). As an implementor - there would be extremely positive benefits from having a base set of attributes defined and available @ schema.openid.net . I

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread James Walker
On 4/9/07 3:55 PM, Martin Atkins wrote: James Walker wrote: As an implementor - there would be extremely positive benefits from having a base set of attributes defined and available @ schema.openid.net . I agree that the people most interested right now are the OpenID community implementors

RE: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread Recordon, David
for AX (and other extensions) On 4/9/07 3:55 PM, Martin Atkins wrote: James Walker wrote: As an implementor - there would be extremely positive benefits from having a base set of attributes defined and available @ schema.openid.net . I agree that the people most interested right now

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread Recordon, David
: Monday, April 09, 2007 07:12 PM Pacific Standard Time To: Recordon, David Cc: James Walker; Martin Atkins; Mark Wahl; OpenID specs list Subject:Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions) On 9-Apr-07, at 5:24 PM, Recordon, David wrote: For new fields

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-09 Thread Dick Hardt
Time To: Recordon, David Cc: James Walker; Martin Atkins; Mark Wahl; OpenID specs list Subject:Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions) On 9-Apr-07, at 5:24 PM, Recordon, David wrote: For new fields, is there a reason we can't use the ldap.com URLs Mark

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-08 Thread Dick Hardt
Hi Mark The URL mapping of LDAP attributes below looks pretty useful. Some of those overlap with attributes we defined for AX, but many of the attributes in AX are not defined, or don't have the same granularity. Given that LDAP attributes were defined per the needs of enterprise, and AX

PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-06 Thread Dick Hardt
OpenID Attribute Exchange (AX) uses URLs to uniquely identity attributes. The URLs are resolvable to provide meta data that is both machine and human readable. In order to do anything useful with AX, some commons identity attributes need to be defined. I would propose that we start off

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-06 Thread Dick Hardt
If there was something out there already, I would propose we used it. There is not. Just like the SAML crowd has accused the OpenID crowd of reinventing an identity protocol (AKA reinventing the wheel) -- the AX proposal has some unique concepts that people like Paul and Mark think are

RE: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-06 Thread Recordon, David
specs list; Paul Trevithick; Mark Wahl Subject: Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions) If there was something out there already, I would propose we used it. There is not. Just like the SAML crowd has accused the OpenID crowd of reinventing an identity protocol (AKA reinventing

Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-06 Thread Dick Hardt
To: Recordon, David Cc: OpenID specs list; Paul Trevithick; Mark Wahl Subject: Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions) If there was something out there already, I would propose we used it. There is not. Just like the SAML crowd has accused the OpenID crowd of reinventing

RE: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions)

2007-04-06 Thread Recordon, David
To: Recordon, David Cc: OpenID specs list; Paul Trevithick; Mark Wahl Subject: Re: PROPOSAL schema.openid.net for AX (and other extensions) The work is not rooted in openid.net. We are starting there. We can easily point those definitions somewhere else later, but we need somewhere to start. Given