RE: Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-17 Thread Drummond Reed
In the directed identity case, the IdP URL or XRI you give to the RP resolves to your IdP's XRDS document. Each of your IdPs would have a different one. If they support directed identity, each would have a Service with a Type tag value of http://openid.net/identifier_select/2.0. This service endpoi

Re: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 17-Oct-06, at 2:10 PM, Johannes Ernst wrote: >>> I think we need to come up with a decision making strategy that >>> we can live >>> with, and get the decision made. > > What about first, declaring a requirements freeze. I think one of > the reasons that discussions go around in circles is

Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
I would like to use different IdPs for my vanity URL, blame.ca. In an OpenID 2.0 world, I can provide either of my IdP URLs to the RP and then select blame.ca and login. Does this work? What having two openid.server tags suffice? How would the RP know which delegate tag goes with which IdP?

pre announce: Java and Perl libraries

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
Hey Lists We realized in a meeting today that we had talked to some people in the community, but had never made a formal statement. Sxip is writing and will be releasing Java and Perl libraries for OpenID 2.0 under an Apache license. You should see them shortly after the spec is finished, as

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 17-Oct-06, at 3:16 PM, Recordon, David wrote: > The nonce parameter has already been renamed to response_nonce (see > draft 10) and I do not see the need for a request nonce within the > protocol. See prior discussion on that. > > There is nothing dictating it will be an extension forever. I

Re: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
I don't see there being general consensus. I think Chris Drake was supportive of there being less disclosure as well. Josh said it could be any of the three, but preferred two parameters. Brad did not really care. I do care and would like to see direct criticism on the explanation I wrote a

RE: Changing Terminology (was RE: IdP term in spec (was RE:Delegation discussion summary))

2006-10-17 Thread Drummond Reed
+1 to OpenID Provider. =Drummond -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Hoyt Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:41 AM To: Dick Hardt Cc: specs@openid.net Subject: Re: Changing Terminology (was RE: IdP term in spec (was RE:Delegation discuss

RE: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-17 Thread Recordon, David
I'm also echoing what Josh has said. There has been significant discussion on this issue and there seems to be general consensus, excluding Sxip, that the protocol should have two parameters. --David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh

RE: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Recordon, David
The nonce parameter has already been renamed to response_nonce (see draft 10) and I do not see the need for a request nonce within the protocol. See prior discussion on that. There is nothing dictating it will be an extension forever. I don't see it being responsible adding it to the core specif

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 17-Oct-06, at 2:30 PM, Josh Hoyt wrote: > On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, authentication is optional in the spec, so perhaps we should >> pull that out and make it an extension? >> In order to just do attribute exchange, we have it so that the RP can >> decide NOT t

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, authentication is optional in the spec, so perhaps we should > pull that out and make it an extension? > In order to just do attribute exchange, we have it so that the RP can > decide NOT to request an identifier. Honestly, I think that'd

Re: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-17 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2. It is explicit what is going on from an implementation and > > specification perspective > > And I see the opposite. What the RP sends the IdP is just a hint. > What the IdP sends the RP is authoritative. > I see having two parameters as imp

Re: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-17 Thread Johannes Ernst
I think we need to come up with a decision making strategy that we can live with, and get the decision made. What about first, declaring a requirements freeze. I think one of the reasons that discussions go around in circles is because new requirements and use cases are being thrown at the

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 17-Oct-06, at 11:52 AM, Josh Hoyt wrote: > On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> * Authentication Age >> >> >> - Re-proposed today adding clarity in motivation, general >> >> >> consensus is >> >> >> needed to add to specification. >> >> > >> >> > -1 >> > >> > There is n

Re: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 17-Oct-06, at 11:15 AM, Josh Hoyt wrote: > On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > It is, and must be, the relying party's responsibility to ensure >> that >> > the information in the response matches what is discovered. This is >> > true regardless when portable identifiers

Re: Re[2]: Identifier portability: the fundamental issue

2006-10-17 Thread Kevin Turner
On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 13:29 +1000, Chris Drake wrote: > Now - how comfortable are you with > the idea of letting 1.5 billion Chinese people use OpenID Ideally we'd have the input of the SocialBrain Foundation on that. Those are the folks who put together OpenID.cn. Has anyone on this list talked

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> * Authentication Age > >> >> - Re-proposed today adding clarity in motivation, general > >> >> consensus is > >> >> needed to add to specification. > >> > > >> > -1 > > > > There is no reason for this to be in the core. I could make more >

[PROPOSAL] bare response / bare request

2006-10-17 Thread Chris Drake
Hi, Why's this proposal "depreciated" ? ( http://www.lifewiki.net/openid/OpenIDProposals ) I'm casting my vote here: +1 to [PROPOSAL] bare response / bare request Besides the listed uses, it also allows IdPs to layer privacy and delegation easily on top of OpenID, as well as permitting cool fut

Re: Changing Terminology (was RE: IdP term in spec (was RE: Delegation discussion summary))

2006-10-17 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we should be open (pun intended) to making changes. > > I really like the OpenID Provider -> shortens to OP, and is very > specific on what it does. > I have always found IdP to be a misnomer, and have mentioned it in > the past. > Now we

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 17-Oct-06, at 10:30 AM, Josh Hoyt wrote: > On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Josh, would you elaborate on the reasoning behind your votes so that >> I (and others) understand? > > Sure. I'll try to be brief. Thanks! > >> > On 10/15/06, Recordon, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-17 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is, and must be, the relying party's responsibility to ensure that > > the information in the response matches what is discovered. This is > > true regardless when portable identifiers are used and when they are > > not. It is true for all o

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/17/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Josh, would you elaborate on the reasoning behind your votes so that > I (and others) understand? Sure. I'll try to be brief. > > On 10/15/06, Recordon, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> * Request Nonce and Name > >> - Has been partially i

Re: Re[2]: [PROPOSAL] request nonce and name

2006-10-17 Thread Grant Monroe
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2818 On 10/17/06, Johannes Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought that, too, but couldn't find a good reference. Do you have > a reference handy that explains this? > > On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:35, Grant Monroe wrote: > > > On 10/14/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
Josh, would you elaborate on the reasoning behind your votes so that I (and others) understand? On 16-Oct-06, at 11:21 AM, Josh Hoyt wrote: > Here are my reactions to what's outstanding: > > On 10/15/06, Recordon, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> * Request Nonce and Name >> - Has been parti

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 16-Oct-06, at 3:24 PM, Recordon, David wrote: > And here are my votes: > > Request nonce and name > * Take no action So you are saying to NOT rename the parameter? +1 rename nonce to response_nonce +1 to put request_nonce in an extension for RP identity related functionality > Authentica

Re: Identifier portability: the fundamental issue

2006-10-17 Thread Hans Granqvist
Drummond Reed wrote: > I think you may have me mistaken for somebody else on the list (. . .) Double-blind anonymity in action? ;) -Hans ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 15-Oct-06, at 7:25 PM, Recordon, David wrote: > Hi Chris, > The rush is that 2.0 has been in a drafting phase for almost six > months > now, with draft five being posted at the end of June. While we > certainly can continue taking the time to make everyone happy, we > ultimately will never

Re: Summarizing Where We're At

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 16-Oct-06, at 11:21 AM, Josh Hoyt wrote: > >> * Bare Request >> - Proposed, no discussion yet. > > -0 (YAGNI) Sorry, I don't know what YAGNI means ... ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs

Re: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 13-Oct-06, at 3:43 PM, Josh Hoyt wrote: > On 10/13/06, Marius Scurtescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The IdP is issuing a signed assertion about these identifiers, I >> would assume the IdP to check the link between these identifiers. > > Sending two identifiers does not *prevent* the IdP fro

Re: Identifier portability: the fundamental issue

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
On 16-Oct-06, at 12:24 PM, Martin Atkins wrote: > Chris Drake wrote: >> >> There seem to be a lot of people on this list who want to hate and >> loathe the IdP, and grant all power to the RP. I do not understand >> this reasoning: our users will select the IdP they trust and like, >> then they

Re: Re[2]: [PROPOSAL] request nonce and name

2006-10-17 Thread Johannes Ernst
I thought that, too, but couldn't find a good reference. Do you have a reference handy that explains this? On Oct 16, 2006, at 10:35, Grant Monroe wrote: On 10/14/06, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also note that URL parameters are not secured by TLS in HTTPS. -- Dick URL parameters

RE: Pre-Draft 11

2006-10-17 Thread Prasanta Behera
The example in section 4.1.3 does not match. mode:error error:This is an example message openid.mode=error&openid.err Should it be openid.mode:error? (Ouch!) I think "=" instead of ":" is better. Thanks, /Prasanta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: Changing Terminology (was RE: IdP term in spec (was RE: Delegation discussion summary))

2006-10-17 Thread Dick Hardt
I think we should be open (pun intended) to making changes. I really like the OpenID Provider -> shortens to OP, and is very specific on what it does. I have always found IdP to be a misnomer, and have mentioned it in the past. Now we have a great candidate, that provides more clarity, and it

Re[4]: Identifier portability: the fundamental issue

2006-10-17 Thread Chris Drake
Hi Drummond, Yikes! - sorry about the misquote - very clumsy of me. Kind Regards, Chris Drake ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs

Re: Notes From Draft 10

2006-10-17 Thread Martin Atkins
Marius Scurtescu wrote: > > If ordering is not important then you are guaranteed to get it right. > The spec could recommend alphabetical ordering, but I don't see the > need for a must. > I agree. ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://