Re: Promoting OpenID
On 5-Apr-07, at 8:46 PM, Johannes Ernst wrote: > On Apr 5, 2007, at 18:36, Chris Messina wrote: > >> ... I personally think selling to the enterprise is nearly >> impossible without tons of grassroots adoption ... > > I disagree. ;-) > > Now granted, there are many, many things that we all need to do and > that need to happen to make OpenID suitable for the enterprise > market on a "mass" market basis. People like James keep reminding > us of that on this list and in other places, and please keep it > coming. > > But it's definitely not the case any more that it is "impossible"... I think you are missing a key part of Chris statement "... without tons of grassroots adoption ..." If the grassroots don't support OpeniD, very unlikely that the enterprise will. -- Dick ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Promoting OpenID
On Apr 5, 2007, at 18:36, Chris Messina wrote: ... I personally think selling to the enterprise is nearly impossible without tons of grassroots adoption ... I disagree. ;-) Now granted, there are many, many things that we all need to do and that need to happen to make OpenID suitable for the enterprise market on a "mass" market basis. People like James keep reminding us of that on this list and in other places, and please keep it coming. But it's definitely not the case any more that it is "impossible"... Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://netmesh.info/jernst ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Promoting OpenID
I thought it was interesting to discover this: http://www.atlassian.com/software/crowd/ On the one hand, this is interesting from a marketing perspective, and I think we need more education materials and demonstrations of how this technology can be used. On the other, I personally think selling to the enterprise is nearly impossible without tons of grassroots adoption (think: Firefox) who will their feet to the fire, at which point, we can tell them that we have a bucket of water called OpenID that they can implement to alleviate the burn. But that's just how I roll. :) Chris On 4/4/07, Wes Kussmaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As long as we're being ecumenical about platforms can we include > Shibboleth, i-name etc. along with OpenID in "user-centric identity"? > > If so I am interested. > > Wes Kussmaul > > > McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) wrote: > Great to hear that you are working with salesforce.com. Would someone else > on this list volunteer to work with Siebel, Peoplesoft, SAP, Intalio and > Alfresco? > > -Original Message- > From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:57 AM > To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) > Cc: specs@openid.net > Subject: Re: Promoting OpenID > > > > On 2-Apr-07, at 8:15 AM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: > > > > Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or > VRM spaces such that user-centric identity is built into their > product? > > We are working with salesforce.com ... > > > * > This communication, including attachments, is > for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, > confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is > strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify > the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and > destroy all copies. > * > > ___ > specs mailing list > specs@openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > > > > > ___ > specs mailing list > specs@openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > > -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur & Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Promoting OpenID
As long as we're being ecumenical about platforms can we include Shibboleth, i-name etc. along with OpenID in "user-centric identity"? If so I am interested. Wes Kussmaul McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) wrote: Great to hear that you are working with salesforce.com. Would someone else on this list volunteer to work with Siebel, Peoplesoft, SAP, Intalio and Alfresco? -Original Message- From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:57 AM To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Cc: specs@openid.net Subject: Re: Promoting OpenID On 2-Apr-07, at 8:15 AM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or VRM spaces such that user-centric identity is built into their product? We are working with salesforce.com ... * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Promoting OpenID
Great to hear that you are working with salesforce.com. Would someone else on this list volunteer to work with Siebel, Peoplesoft, SAP, Intalio and Alfresco? -Original Message- From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:57 AM To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Cc: specs@openid.net Subject: Re: Promoting OpenID On 2-Apr-07, at 8:15 AM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: > Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or > VRM spaces such that user-centric identity is built into their > product? We are working with salesforce.com ... * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Promoting OpenID
On 2-Apr-07, at 8:15 AM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: > Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or > VRM spaces such that user-centric identity is built into their > product? We are working with salesforce.com ... ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Promoting OpenID
McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) wrote: > > Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or VRM spaces > such that user-centric identity is built into their product? > Mm tasty acronym soup! ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Promoting OpenID
Imagine the waves through the technology community when end-customers stand up and preach how to code to vendors. Sadly, I am only outlining the problem space in hopes that others could step up and run with it. I think it would be appropriate for me to participate in panel discussions at upcoming industry conferences where folks from other verticals could observe the conversation but I wouldn't be permitted to have that type of interaction with vendors as NDA's, code of conduct and other situations would arise. Verisign as an organization has the best characteristics in terms of satisfying this need. Now, it is a matter of whether Verisign truly wants OpenID to be big or whether they are simply dabbling. Promotion could be as simple as putting more information about user-centric approaches on the Verisign homepage. -Original Message- From: Recordon, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 3:18 PM To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT); specs@openid.net Subject: RE: Promoting OpenID People might be, though nothing real formal that I personally know of. You volunteering? :P --David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:15 AM To: specs@openid.net Subject: Promoting OpenID As an end-user to user-centric approaches, I have noticed an interesting pattern. Microsoft does a wonderful job of selling Cardspace as a solution to others who develop in Microsoft languages. Likewise, there are tons of vendors that can offer solutions for large enterprises to purchase but no one is promoting user-centric approaches to the vendors us large enterprises do business with in terms of getting them to embrace user-centric approaches within their own code base. Sure, we can as consumers raise awareness, but I would like to understand thoughts on other than procurement, how could we make this more pervasive? Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or VRM spaces such that user-centric identity is built into their product? * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Promoting OpenID
Gabe, I think you nailed it. The problem I run across is that my interest in using OpenID is all about getting a federation of sorts up and working within my insurance vertical which contains 250 distinct competitors. Getting emails offlist privately with vendors marketing uniquely to me is not only frustrating but doesn't actually help my goal. I don't want to choose a vendor at this time in that we all as a vertical need to agree on some other things first, so the thought of me running around attempting to coordinate a cross-company marketing event is problematic. Likewise, in terms of being in a regulated industry, I couldn't do this except in very publicly observable ways such as asking folks to blog on things, etc. Collusion is important and the best way to avoid is to ask folks who want to sell us software to market in other than a point-to-point way. -Original Message- From: Gabe Wachob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:44 PM To: 'Recordon, David'; McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT); specs@openid.net Subject: RE: Promoting OpenID More likely that the people promoting OpenID to large organizations are vendors and don't particularly want to tell their competitors what they are doing. Now, imagine if there were like-minded vendors getting together to form some sort of marketing organization to promote OpenID to a variety of audiences, including large enterprises... ;-) -Gabe * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Promoting OpenID
More likely that the people promoting OpenID to large organizations are vendors and don't particularly want to tell their competitors what they are doing. Now, imagine if there were like-minded vendors getting together to form some sort of marketing organization to promote OpenID to a variety of audiences, including large enterprises... ;-) -Gabe > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Recordon, David > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:18 PM > To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT); specs@openid.net > Subject: RE: Promoting OpenID > > People might be, though nothing real formal that I personally know of. > You volunteering? :P > > --David > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:15 AM > To: specs@openid.net > Subject: Promoting OpenID > > As an end-user to user-centric approaches, I have noticed an interesting > pattern. Microsoft does a wonderful job of selling Cardspace as a > solution to others who develop in Microsoft languages. Likewise, there > are tons of vendors that can offer solutions for large enterprises to > purchase but no one is promoting user-centric approaches to the vendors > us large enterprises do business with in terms of getting them to > embrace user-centric approaches within their own code base. Sure, we can > as consumers raise awareness, but I would like to understand thoughts on > other than procurement, how could we make this more pervasive? > > Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or VRM > spaces such that user-centric identity is built into their product? > > > > * > This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of > addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged > information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, > disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately > by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. > > * > > ___ > specs mailing list > specs@openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > ___ > specs mailing list > specs@openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Promoting OpenID
People might be, though nothing real formal that I personally know of. You volunteering? :P --David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:15 AM To: specs@openid.net Subject: Promoting OpenID As an end-user to user-centric approaches, I have noticed an interesting pattern. Microsoft does a wonderful job of selling Cardspace as a solution to others who develop in Microsoft languages. Likewise, there are tons of vendors that can offer solutions for large enterprises to purchase but no one is promoting user-centric approaches to the vendors us large enterprises do business with in terms of getting them to embrace user-centric approaches within their own code base. Sure, we can as consumers raise awareness, but I would like to understand thoughts on other than procurement, how could we make this more pervasive? Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or VRM spaces such that user-centric identity is built into their product? * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Promoting OpenID
As an end-user to user-centric approaches, I have noticed an interesting pattern. Microsoft does a wonderful job of selling Cardspace as a solution to others who develop in Microsoft languages. Likewise, there are tons of vendors that can offer solutions for large enterprises to purchase but no one is promoting user-centric approaches to the vendors us large enterprises do business with in terms of getting them to embrace user-centric approaches within their own code base. Sure, we can as consumers raise awareness, but I would like to understand thoughts on other than procurement, how could we make this more pervasive? Is anyone here working with vendors in the ERP, CRM, ECM, BPM or VRM spaces such that user-centric identity is built into their product? * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
