2008 3:21 PM
> >> To: specs@openid.net
> >> Subject: Using email address as OpenID identifier
> >>
> >> This would require defining an OpenID SRV record in DNS. Would make
> >> sense for someone to get this formally defined as part of IETF. Could
> >&g
> sense for someone to get this formally defined as part of IETF. Could
>> kinda be done in the same way that Boeing is moving forward
>> definition
>> of XRI in LDAP..
>>
>> -Original Message-
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> Paul E. Jones wrote:
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>> Perhaps it is
Paul E. Jones wrote:
>
>
> I’ll give you that one: that’s certainly easier. But, does not cause
> some confusion? After all, one’s identity is not yahoo.com, but that is
> the identity provider. Perhaps the prompts around the Internet ought to
> Say “OpenID Provider:” instead? :-)
>
I pr
Paul E. Jones wrote:
>
> Perhaps it is important to say, though, that I do not think it requires
> the e-mail providers to get on board with this (in my view) simpler
> notation. I could use an ID like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that should
> work, if myopenid.com would publish the appropriate NAPT
> >> George Fletcher wrote:
> >>
> >> I think relying party sites that support OpenID could do more to make
> it
> >> clear on their home pages that they support OpenID (as often it's
> hidden
> >> behind another click). This could be as simple as some tags that
> >> advertise support for OpenID.
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> From: Chris Drake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:30 PM
> To: Drummond Reed
> Cc: 'George Fletcher'; 'Dick Hardt'; specs@openid.net
> Subject: Re: IDMML (was RE: Using email address as OpenID identifier)
Hi Drummond,
I pushed hard for RP identification for 2 or 3 months back around
October 2006. If anyone wants to go back through the archives,
there's a pile of other important reasons to have some way that an IdP
and/or browser agent can identify an OpenID-enabled site. The antique
thread below
Drummond Reed wrote:
>>> Dick Hardt wrote:
>>>
>>> :-) ... that label would be more accurate. There is lots of work to be
>>> done to make OpenID simpler for users. I think that what will be easy
>>> for users is something provided by the browser that lets the user
>>> click to initiate a login o
> > Dick Hardt wrote:
> >
> > :-) ... that label would be more accurate. There is lots of work to be
> > done to make OpenID simpler for users. I think that what will be easy
> > for users is something provided by the browser that lets the user
> > click to initiate a login or registration. No typi
On Behalf Of Joseph
Anthony Pasquale Holsten
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:52 AM
To: Paul E. Jones
Cc: specs@openid.net
Subject: Re: Using email address as OpenID identifier
Does anyone have the time to write an email -> xrds discovery spec so we can
formally ignore it? And so people
Dick Hardt wrote:
>
> On 1-Apr-08, at 11:15 PM, Paul E. Jones wrote:
>> Dick,
>>
>> I’ll give you that one: that’s certainly easier. But, does not cause
>> some confusion? After all, one’s identity is not yahoo.com, but that
>> is the identity provider. Perhaps the prompts around the Inter
Does anyone have the time to write an email -> xrds discovery spec so
we can formally ignore it? And so people can argue with their dns
providers instead of on list?
http:// Joseph Holsten .com
On 02008:04:01, at 9:30CDT, Paul E. Jones wrote:
Folks,
I’ve seen discussion here and there
On 1-Apr-08, at 11:15 PM, Paul E. Jones wrote:
Dick,
I’ll give you that one: that’s certainly easier. But, does not
cause some confusion? After all, one’s identity is not yahoo.com,
but that is the identity provider. Perhaps the prompts around the
Internet ought to Say “OpenID Provide
On 02/04/2008, Paul E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A solution that matches closer with what the user expects would be to
> > map "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to a claimed ID of "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
>
> The average user is not going to know what "mailto:"; is.
The mailto: transition would
To: Paul E. Jones
Cc: 'Eran Hammer-Lahav'; specs@openid.net
Subject: Re: Using email address as OpenID identifier
Entering yahoo.com is even easier!
On 1-Apr-08, at 10:05 PM, Paul E. Jones wrote:
Eran,
I'm not suggesting that the address must be a real e-mail address
On 02/04/2008, Paul E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brad,
>
> Your point about DNS limitations is valid. Then again, anybody who will be
> offering the open identity server is likely going to have control over their
> DNS. Still, I'm not opposed to alternatives.
>
> But, since you brought u
On 1-Apr-08, at 10:02 PM, Paul E. Jones wrote:
Dick,
On this point, I really have to disagree. Even I rarely enter a URL
into a web browser. Why bother when I know the web browser will
figure it out for me. I don’t want to type http:// or https:// :-)
I don't want to type the protocol
James,
>>yahoo.com. IN NAPTR 100 10 "U" "OpenID2"
"^(.+)@(.*)$!https://me.yahoo.com/\1!i"; .
>
>
> 1. when a user enters an email address into an RP, how is the claimed
> ID derived from that input?
Using the NAPTR record as shown above, if I user [EMAIL PROTECTED], the RP
could perform a transla
email providers.
EHL
From: Paul E. Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:42 PM
To: Eran Hammer-Lahav; specs@openid.net
Subject: RE: Using email address as OpenID identifier
Eran,
You’re entirely correct that this is not an OpenID issue, per se.
In fact, not a single
I don't see that as a
requirement.
Paul
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Eran Hammer-Lahav
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:17 AM
To: specs@openid.net
Subject: RE: Using email address as OpenID identifier
Take a look at
http://www.hueniver
ey do nothing but figure out which OP to direct the
browser to.
Paul
From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:45 PM
To: Brad Fitzpatrick
Cc: Paul E. Jones; specs@openid.net
Subject: Re: Using email address as OpenID identifier
On 1-Apr-08, at 7:37 PM
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Fitzpatrick
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:38 PM
To: Paul E. Jones
Cc: specs@openid.net
Subject: Re: Using email address as OpenID identifier
This has been discussed to death and really should be a FAQ by now, but it's
not written up, so
On 02/04/2008, Paul E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I've seen discussion here and there on the use of the e-mail address as the
> OpenID identifier. Perhaps this one says it best:
>
> http://www.majordojo.com/2007/02/what-openid-needs.php
>
> I share many of same opinions. If Ope
iders.
EHL
From: Paul E. Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:42 PM
To: Eran Hammer-Lahav; specs@openid.net
Subject: RE: Using email address as OpenID identifier
Eran,
You're entirely correct that this is not an OpenID issue, per se. In fact, not
a single word of
On 1-Apr-08, at 7:37 PM, Brad Fitzpatrick wrote:
-- that said, with directed identity in OpenID 2.0, a user just
needs to type in "yahoo.com", or press the pretty yahoo button. No
typing.
I think this is why we don't need to use emails. People are very
familiar with typing in a URL in
r format documented in RFC 822.
Paul
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Eran Hammer-Lahav
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:43 PM
To: specs@openid.net
Subject: RE: Using email address as OpenID identifier
The beauty of the current OpenID spec is that anyon
The beauty of the current OpenID spec is that anyone can implement it and go
live. However, with email identifiers you need email providers to support it.
If Google, Yahoo, AOL, or Microsoft announced they are adding such a feature, I
am sure the others are likely to follow. Get 2 of these 4 and
This has been discussed to death and really should be a FAQ by now, but it's
not written up, so I'll add a few points:
-- we should discuss this as a generic email to URL mapping problem, and
ignore what is done with that URL then. yes, it could be used as an OpenID
-- that said, with directed i
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