But it's sooo hard, and I have to see episode 7 of 2 1/2 men for the
sixth time, and the dog has to pee, and
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:05 PM, George Church wrote:
> Submit a proposal!
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Just so we're clear, I am NOT advocating plug in compressors or quick
coupled air lines it's just a reality that they meet the code as it
currently stands.
I'd welcome clarity in the code that would say something like. "All
electrical circuit's which supply power to any Fire protection device or
l
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I remember years ago we traced several leaks in a large dry system by
itroducing froen refrigerating gas and using an electronc gas detector. I dont
know if this will work with the modern refrigerant gasses. John Powell NZ
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From: "Fletcher, Ro
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 4:13 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Hard wired air compressors
I'd like to
Try nitrous oxide, when everyone starts laughing, you found the leak.
(just kidding)
Wintergreen extract is one product. Then just follow your nose.
At 04:27 PM 3/18/2010, you wrote:
>There was a thread a while back (I think) that discussed a way of
>finding leaks in dry systems using a colored
Be interesting to see what the final analysis is on this one...
http://www.charlestonbusiness.com/news/33372-kiawah-island-golf-clubhouse-lsquo-a-total-loss-rsquo-after-wednesday-rsquo-s-fire
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
860-535-2080
www.fpdc.com
Thanks Chris, I'll check it out. Sounds like we will have to fill it
with antifreeze solution plus dye. We were hoping there was way to test
using a gas or air instead of liquid.
Fletch
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Here's the thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org/msg19989.html
Benjamin Young
Sprinkler Designer
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
b...@rowesprinkler.com
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Fletcher, Ron wrote:
> There was a thread a while back (I think) that discussed a
Google tracing dyes - there are regular and florescent, liquids, powders
tablets.
Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
Email: chr...@sentryfiremn.com
Mail: P.O. Box 69
Waverly, MN 55390
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
There was a thread a while back (I think) that discussed a way of
finding leaks in dry systems using a colored gas or something like that.
I didn't save the thread because we live in Phoenix and don't have dry
systems except in freezers. My mistake. We are working on a freezer
system repair, have f
Have you checked out the Viking C-1 release? I think it can be spaced more than
8 ft apart. Probably pricey but maybe worth a look.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic
Phoenix, AZ
.
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I'd like to see a requirement in 13D that you need to prove the
recovery rate for the well will either be the system demand (plus the
already required 5 gpm extra) or that there is sufficient storage to
compensate for the full duration.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:52 PM, George Church wrote:
> Yes
Over 1/8 HP.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:27 PM, David de Vries
wrote:
> Every winter in this land of the midwest, I see at least one dry pipe system
> that has tripped because someone disconnected the air supply. The most
> common problem is a "permanent" air compressor installation powered thr
George I would appreciate if you be so kind to send me a copy also.
Thanks,
Reza
rezaesmaeili...@yahoo.com
From: George Church
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 2:39:47 PM
Subject: smoke detectors save lives
Who wanted a clipping o
Yes, I love those calls at 10AM, please come immediately, we had an
emergency at 3 AM.
Without breaker protection/lock-in as a requirement for a hard-wired air
compr, I can't think the plug-in is any worse. I agree with Ron's intent
concept, for with small hand tools, a lot of sprinkler protection
Official from NFPA is that exterior means by definition "exterior" and that
8'-0" is the only option (for those who followed this previous thread).
Thanks for the feedback
Greg McGahan
Living Water Fire Protection
(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231
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I have also encountered, more than once, the central station or security guard
on duty calling the building engineer at home in the middle of the night,
saying "we got a low air supervisory on the alarm panel" and the building
engineer replies, "OK, I will call the sprinkler contractor in the mo
Every winter in this land of the midwest, I see at least one dry pipe system
that has tripped because someone disconnected the air supply. The most common
problem is a "permanent" air compressor installation powered through an
ordinary toggle switch and someone flipped the switch thinking it op
I think of it this way:
A nitrogen tank is not hard wired, and the shut off valve handle is not
tampered. If not for the Low air pressure monitor, who would ever know if
the nitrogen bottle was "Online" or "Offline" since the valve handles are
non-indicating?
Allowed by 13, yet no more reliable t
A disconnect and breaker will also disable the power to the A/C unless
locked in "ON" position. Low air alarm will provide the backup if not too
late.
Art
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I would say if your system is equipped with a low air monitored trouble,
neither the Quick coupling in the air line nor the plug would constitute an
impairment, since if you have air loss to the point the LAP switch operates
you'll know it, before the system trips.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, I
No,it is not an impairment by any definition because the system will still
function as intended (assuming that it isn't tripped & frozen because someone
unplugged it and forgot about it). Hard wiring may keep these "accidents" from
happening.
Greg McGahan wrote:
> Ok to follow up with
Weel, back to what I just found in 70 then if it were disconnected
when you look at it it is an impairment. When you plug it back in and
verify it operates properly it is not.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Ron Greenman wrote:
> As I look through the electric code an argument could be made tha
As I look through the electric code an argument could be made that a
plug is not what would define portable or permanent. In fact an
argument could be made that even a quick-disconnect air line in
addition to the plug could still be considered permanent and that the
term "permanent" has more to do
Ok to follow up with the 3rd round, then is it an impairment per NFPA #25?
Greg McGahan
Living Water Fire Protection
(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231
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We have a manuf. facility that we inspect., (system by others) They have
small dry system that has a portable air compressor, the maintenance crew
installed a quick disconnect in the piping after installation. They take the
air compressor and use it, even though instructed not to, with signs by
man
The source is to be available at all times. This isn't necessarily talking
about being movable or not. If it is able to be unplugged then it would not be
available at that time that someone unplugs it. It wouldn't hurt to have some
additional verbiage to clarify the intent here. I actually t
It can still be unplugged and out of service, thats what we're told. If we
use a portable style we have it hard wired.
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
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Ok, what about the argument that it is hard piped and even though it is plugged
in you can't pick it up and remove it?
Greg McGahan
Living Water Fire Protection
(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231
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Yes to discussed before and I agree with your interpretation.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Greg McGahan wrote:
> This is a friendly discussion and not a conflict. However, please see
> the interpretation below.
>
>
>
> 13-7.2.6.2.1 states, the air supply shall be from a source available at
>
This is a friendly discussion and not a conflict. However, please see
the interpretation below.
13-7.2.6.2.1 states, the air supply shall be from a source available at
all times. A plug-in air compressor is portable and would not meet the
'all times' criteria. Hence, my interpretation that th
A copy of that would be greatly appreciated.
bm...@siouxfalls.org
Barry Maag
Fire Inspector
Sioux Falls Fire Rescue
605-367-8054
bm...@siouxfalls.org
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Geor
Hello George,
I would like a copy coastalf...@sc.rr.com If you would Please.
Thanks
Thursday, March 18, 2010, 7:09:47 AM, you wrote:
> Who wanted a clipping of homebuilders fighting smoke detectors a month or so
> ago? Ran across one, sent it to some forumites last eve
> glc
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I did please email me a copy at blac...@llr.sc.gov
David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE
Engineering
Office of State Fire Marshal
141 Monticello Trail
Columbia, SC 29203
Phone: 803.896.9833
Fax: 803.896.9806
Email:
George would you be so kind to send me a copy also.
Thanks,
Dennis Briggs, Jr. C.E.T.
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 08:57 AM
To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org'
Subject: RE: smoke detectors save lives
Can you send to me
I'll take a copy George.
Thanks for offering!
Excellence is not a skill, its an attitude!
Ralph Marston
David L. Smith
Fire Protection Maintenance
City of Lakeland
Public Works / Facilities
228 S. Massachusetts Ave.
Lakeland, Fl. 33801
Office: 863-834-2380
Fax: 863-499-2384
Cell: 863-559-0903
Can you send to me also?
m...@afpsprink.com
Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire Protection
*Licensed in KS & MO
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913.888.0618 f
913.927.0222 cell
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George,
Can you send a copy to duane@state.de.us
Thanks
Duane Fox, Jr
DE State Fire Marshal's Office
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Please
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Who wanted a clipping of homebuilders fighting smoke detectors a month or so
ago? Ran across one, sent it to some forumites last eve
glc
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