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I thought I once saw something saying that sprinkler pipe cant be wrapped
with pipe insulation. Am I dreaming or does this code exist? I cant locate it.
J. Blocker
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I spoke to someone today from Vic. Apparently they sold their CPVC
line to Spears a few years ago.
At 06:56 PM 4/12/2010, you wrote:
>I'm anxious to read the "why" responses.
>
>J. Scott Mitchell, P.E.
>
>--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Todd Williams wrote:
>
>From: Todd Williams
>Subject: Victaulic CPVC
I'm anxious to read the "why" responses.
J. Scott Mitchell, P.E.
--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Todd Williams wrote:
From: Todd Williams
Subject: Victaulic CPVC
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:11 AM
Anybody know off hand what year Vic stopped making Firelock CPVC pi
As far as I can tell a 13D with a 8/12 roof pitch with wood beams every 5
parallel to the slope and one at the ridge would require heads in every
pocket. Tycos residential heads in beams are only for flat ceilings. The
beams in my situation are too close together to get far enough away to spray
b
As an engineering student, I worked at a hardboard mill in auckland. The
hardboard presses had steam fire suppression systems. They were employed on a
fairly regular basis.
The mill itself was sprinkler protected to FM standards. Loved it when the
sprinklers were called into action, as there w
I just received news that Jerry Pepi passed away this morning. Someone mention
Old Grinnell Guys in a message earlier. . . well Jerry was one of the best.
Mike Cabral
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of sam b
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:15 AM
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Steam has been used in the past for suppression of coal crusher fires in
coal fired power plants. I'm not aware of a standard for this type
design, that's why they call it SPECIAL HAZARDS. Where are the old
Grinnell guys when you need them?
Mark at Aero
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I reviewed our contract with the Sprinklerfitters Union and they have
language that they do not perform work on steam systems. So, if the
installing contractor is union, they will need to hire steamfitters to
install the steam suppression system...which may affect the labor cost of
installation. Al
True but these were usually in equipment spaces or ductwork and typically it's
in the past tense as in it's not at the lead of the list of suppression agents
for today's applications. FMDS 7-1 dealing with textile plants even has a
statement about steam not being considered the primary means of
Steam has been used for firefighting aboard ship, particularly in engine
rooms.
I have had no experience with it, but you can get some info on the Internet
at Steam Fire Suppression.
Ed Vining
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Reed Roisum wrote:
> I don't have much information on this yet but
Years ago I seem to recall there was something in the annex of one of the
standards that spoke a little about steam. Might have only been one
paragraph. If I had to look it up I'd be looking in NFPA 2001, the CO2
standard, maybe 15? It was more popular in the 40's and 50's. If you can
find an N
FM Global has several areas that use steam as a suppressing agent. These
include Data Sheet 6-23, Recovery Boiler, for protection of direct contact
evaporators, and 7-73 Dust collection. There are several places in Data Sheet
7-3 where steam is also used for fire suppression. Many "old" text
212* . . . Ouch! Not good for people.
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From: Todd Williams
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:37:59
To:
Subject: RE: Steam for Fire Suppression
Steam would probably have an impact on the fire
plume, but since it is lighter t
For reasons of Temp. only this space would have to be an un-occupiable space
or the fire protection system could kill the occupants. Depending upon what
temp. and pressure (They're related) steam he's talking about, the temp of
the space will be very high. 10PSI steam is 239'F 100PSI steam is 338'F
Steam would probably have an impact on the fire
plume, but since it is lighter than air, it will
buoy to the roof and not get to the product
below. It would likely require some low-level
discharge to actually have any effect. A guess
would be the Navy may have done some research on
this at s
NFPA 20 does have verbiage for the allowance for steam turbine driven fire
pumps. But someone better do their homework before buying into that scheme.
Also if there's an Underwriter involved they better be on board. Last job I
had with an old steam powered pump, the underwriter about had a co
Matt,
That is possible. I am getting information second hand so I am really in the
dark thus far. Just looking for any background knowledge that is out there on
using steam for fire suppression. I've requested more information and will
post more when I get it.
Thanks.
Reed A. Roisum, CET
You have no standard to go by for this and no design criteria to apply. There
are so many variables to deal with here since steam comes in so many different
compositions depending on application rates and temperatures, how far from the
boiler will the steam have to travel to the hazard, what is
Is he wanting to use a steam powered fire pump?
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I don't have much information on this yet but here goes anyway...
An owner of a manufacturing facility (I don't know what type of manufacturing)
has in his head that he wants to use steam from his boiler for fire suppression
(also don't know what he wants to protect). I am basically looking for
Sam,
I don't mean to be a smart ass but follow along. You have a special
circumstance you're trying to mitigate against. Your route is to
automatically do something that is typically disallowed without
special dispensation. His greatness, the Dead One has suggested a
different tack which is essent
Anybody know off hand what year Vic stopped making Firelock CPVC pipe and why?
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860.535.2080
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Sometimes a bit of recreational banter is a nice deviation from the normal
battles we face every day. Just make sure to mention the title subject in the
reply somewhere to keep it official and all will be well. ;)
Although I will say that the most recent discourse has revealed some who have
s
If it was Tuesday, it must have been Belgium.
Wouldn't have missed Copenhagen, Hartford is nice, but...
Sorry to all ya walking in Monday am to have to delete delete delete
Well past beer thirty here, time to go
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While pumps are intended to start automatically (on a pressure drop) it is
intended that upon receipt of alarm indicating the pump is running, a
qualified person will be dispatched to the pump room to monitor conditions
and provide shut down after 30 minutes if the pump isn't actually needed.
This
Thaanx bob
I just went through the same now.
But If am not providing an automatic shutoff facility,how can I avoid any
damage to the pump in case of mentioned scenario
>From the pump supplier I cant expect anything .so from our side what we can
do to make it more safe.?
any thoughts?
Regards
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