Salary

2010-05-21 Thread tom poisal
The salary results have been tabulated from the NICET web site, for designers without formal training and nicet certification, vs those with, college degree's, and it seems that according to my Linkin frens plus contractors, most companies want to recruit a CET, proficient in some sort of CAD prog

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Scott A. Futrell
Craig, I'd disagree, I have stood there with other parents and full families, two and three deep as we watched our kids perform and try to advance to the next level. Packed around the edges, SRO... Scott Futrell (763) 425-1001 Office (612) 759-5556 Cell -Original Message- From: spri

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage- The exceptions

2010-05-21 Thread John Drucker
Noticed references to the IBC. Assuming that the 2006 IBC is the adopted building code WITHOUT local amendments please find the following exceptions which allow a reduced occupant load and a reclassification, emphasis in CAPS; 2006 IBC 1004.1.1 Areas without fixed seating. "Exception: Where appro

RE: Pipe and fitting cost data

2010-05-21 Thread Jim . Roberts
You hit more than your target with that jab and no emoticon! :-D James L.(Jim) Roberts, PE/SET Fluor Corporation 100 Fluor Daniel Drive Greenville, SC 29607 864.281.5149 |-+> | |"Thom McMahon" | | |

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Letterman, Todd
Now were talking... Todd Letterman Fire Prevention Engineer SET CFPS Riverside County Fire Department   "Fire never sleeps" (951) 955-5273 FAX (951) 955-4886 todd.letter...@fire.ca.gov " Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass but learning how to dance in the rain" -Original Messa

RE: Something new

2010-05-21 Thread Thom McMahon
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RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Letterman, Todd
Good Job Jim! Todd Letterman Fire Prevention Engineer SET CFPS Riverside County Fire Department   "Fire never sleeps" (951) 955-5273 FAX (951) 955-4886 todd.letter...@fire.ca.gov " Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass but learning how to dance in the rain" -Original Message

RE: Something new

2010-05-21 Thread Steve Leyton
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RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Letterman, Todd
Well, maybe it is just me and have not seen it yet in the answers but this is based on divisionary load factors based on the area of net and gross floor factors. If the Building department did this on a non-structural review, what actual number did they come up with? It will not matter what migh

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Craig.Prahl
HA HA, now I feel better. At least they can move their arms a little bit! Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Jim Davidson
Craig, The standing at attention sq ft is 5 sq ft per person. Have a fire safe day! Jim Davidson   Davidson Associates Fire Protection * Medical Gas * Code Consulting   302-994-9500   Fax:302-234-1781 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprin

Re: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread ParsleyConsulting
Owen, Just a couple of random thoughts here for your client. Considering that the occupant factor for an "exercise room" (the closest I could get in the CBC, Table 1004.1.1) is 50 sqft per occupant, the actual occupancy total for the space is 56 persons (50 x 56 = 2800). How about this? See

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Richardson, R
I am fairly sure in Seattle that this type of facility would be allowed to use the "excersize room' occupant load factor from IBC Table 1004.1.1, which would be 50 sq.ft. per person, which for a 2,800 sq.ft. space would at the most be an occ. load of 56. Even if it were not allowed to use 50, e

Occupancy and Parking

2010-05-21 Thread Matthew J. Willis
The planning dept. gave * >the business a C.U.P for an occupant load of 45 people because of limited parking. A side thought on this. I guess the above is infrastructure concern, not code related.? This seems like the type of business where there would be many "drop offs" by mom a

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Craig.Prahl
This made me laugh, 7sq. ft per person for a martial arts studio? Let's get real here, they are not standing at attention. In most cases you'd be lucky to see 50-60 people at a time for a lesson. Most of the time it's half of that or less. This is one sport that takes a lot of room. 80-100

Re: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Todd Williams
Preemptive strike? At 10:10 AM 5/21/2010, you wrote: >Owen, > >Call the individual in the building department responsible for that >decision and ask him when he's going to turn himself in to the cops for >transport to San Quentin. > >After all, he COULD become a serial killer, so therefore he mus

RE: Galv fittings?

2010-05-21 Thread Autry, David
The biggest fitter AND the biggest wrench. David Autry Plans Examiner Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office 246 S. 14th Street Lincoln, NE 68508 402-471-9659 402-471-3118 fax www.sfm.ne.gov ** Note new email address: david.au...@nebraska.gov -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Galv fittings?

2010-05-21 Thread Thom McMahon
I was thinking of cut to length pieces and holes for MT's. So how big a wrench did it take to get the plugs out? Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforu

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Jim Davidson
Owen, The owner of the martial arts studio apparently did not do his "due diligence review" of what is required to start such an operation. The owner should have hired a competent registered design professional and not relay on his friendly contractor(s) to perform the owners due diligence revi

RE: Something new

2010-05-21 Thread Thom McMahon
Besides, W.C. is Cheap, cheap, cheap! For Office workers. (Designers) Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinkle

RE: Pipe and fitting cost data

2010-05-21 Thread Thom McMahon
Funny! I live in a town of 8 to 18 thousand depending on if you count beds or bodies and what time of year, and our library has the 2010 issue, I'm sorry S.C. is so out of touch. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fa

RE: Galv fittings?

2010-05-21 Thread Autry, David
"or have the galv. Applied after fab." This is what I did at a petroleum refinery in Texas. Fabricated black pipe with welded outlets, then installed plugs in the outlets, then off to be hot-dipped. The plugs were a major challenge to remove. David Autry Plans Examiner Nebraska State Fire Marsh

RE: Something new

2010-05-21 Thread A.P.Silva
If you do site visits, then you should have WCI coverage. I've been having it for a long time. I generally work for someone else, not independently. So my clients are supposed to carry the coverage for me. One time, Workers Comp. did an audit on one of my clients (a sprinkler contractor) and found

RE: Occupant load vs. Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread John Drucker
Exactly Dave, The occupancy is overcrowded, a "sentinel" event warranting immediate closure and a substantial penalty. The owner and the tenant will also be cited by code enforcement for violating the prior approval and the land use laws of the jurisdiction. But that's best case if the violation

RE: Pipe and fitting cost data

2010-05-21 Thread Craig.Prahl
Uh, yeah I'm sure they do, probably about 10 year old copies. Plus I'm not spending MY time to go to the library to do cost estimating or check them out. But it's ok, I've had several who have come to the rescue. Thanks to all! Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Depart

RE: Pipe and fitting cost data

2010-05-21 Thread Thom McMahon
Most public library's have copies. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] O

RE: Galv fittings?

2010-05-21 Thread Thom McMahon
This gets us back to the point of there really is no good way to have an outlet in Galv. Pipe without exposing the raw steel to some extent. Threaded, Mech tee, cut to length and roll groove or cut groove. To keep the factory galv. Un-marred you've got to use full length pieces or have the galv. Ap

RE: Pipe and fitting cost data

2010-05-21 Thread Craig.Prahl
That's a handy one to have. Thanks! Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.ch2m.com -Original Message-

RE: Pipe and fitting cost data

2010-05-21 Thread Jim . Roberts
Craig, I don't know if you've gotten an answer yet, but you might want to try this link: http://www.metalsdepot.com/products/hrsteel2.phtml?page=pipe&LimAcc=$LimAcc James L.(Jim) Roberts, PE/SET Fluor Corporation 100 Fluor Daniel Drive Greenville, SC 29607 864.281.5149 |-+--

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread John Drucker
Owen, It all comes down to your adopted codes and standards. First and foremost planning and zoning (P&Z) approvals are just that, land use approvals. P&Z approvals merely stipulate allowable uses of a property, height of a structure, lot coverage, set backs, infrastructure improvements, green s

FW: Galv fittings?

2010-05-21 Thread Greg McGahan
One place Galvanized fittings are useful is in salt air. Although, the threads are still exposed, you can spray them with cold galv. We have seen more than one job in salt air where the cast iron fittings have rotted into oblivion. Greg McGahan Operations Manager Living Water Fire Protection 116

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
I agree with the building department. If the space is big enough to allow enough people to warrant a change and fire sprinklers then they should meet the code requirements. To me this is no different than a restaurant saying they are under the occupant load that requires fire sprinklers because th

Re: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread tom poisal
Check and see if you can "trade-off" no sprinklers (more egress) for dual exit doors [(2) 7'-0" x 6'-8"] front and back of "store space" On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Parsley Consulting < parsleyconsult...@cox.net> wrote: > Owen, > > Call the individual in the building department responsible

Re: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Parsley Consulting
Owen, Call the individual in the building department responsible for that decision and ask him when he's going to turn himself in to the cops for transport to San Quentin. After all, he COULD become a serial killer, so therefore he must treated AS a serial killer, and therefore must spend the

Re: Something new

2010-05-21 Thread Ron Greenman
Sounds like somebody's been to a meeting or seminar where they were told that they needed to ask for this to CYA. I'm betting apparent NE virus will spread across the country and die out before long just like the single head over the stove in SFDs. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Tom Duross wrot

RE: Something new

2010-05-21 Thread Tom Duross
In MA it's law we file a certificate of WC (or have the Owner sign a waiver) with every PERMIT we file but Todd, you're a design professional. Maybe he's confused? Is it in MA? Timmy and I pay into it even though we're partners and can't collect because some clients must have it for us to work.

RE: Galv fittings?

2010-05-21 Thread Greg McGahan
One place Galvanized fittings are useful is in salt air. Although, the threads are still exposed, you can spray them with cold galv. We have seen more than one job in salt air where the cast iron fittings have rotted into oblivion. Greg McGahan Operations Manager Living Water Fire Protection 1160

RE: Something new

2010-05-21 Thread Dale Wingard
That has just started here locally. New Fire Chief with new policies. To add to it, the WC Cert has to have a current issue date besides having the expiration date. Dale F. Wingard, SET Design Manager Triple "A" Fire Protection, Inc. 251.649.2034 da...@aaafp.com -Original Message- From:

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Matthew J. Willis
Thank goodness for that occupancy change question Lol. I don't write 'em, (codes) I just read them. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile m...@norredfire.com > >-Original Message--

RE: Occupant load vs. Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Autry, David
So what happens when Jackie Chan/Chuck Norris comes for a demonstration and you've got 400 people in that 2800 sq.ft? David Autry Plans Examiner Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office 246 S. 14th Street Lincoln, NE 68508 402-471-9659 402-471-3118 fax www.sfm.ne.gov ** Note new email address: dav

Re: Pipe and fitting cost data

2010-05-21 Thread Richard Lindner
I feel your pain there.. do it, but they dont mention the "how"! I was getting an email from someone with prices on piping for fire protection but of course it's stopped coming for the past 2 months or so, else I would forward it. I did find this in looking around http://www.victaulic.com/cont

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread George Church
Note the doors aer large enough to wheel in 55 gallon drums of gasoline, so why not require dikes and .6? Might turn into flammable liquid storage some day, they SHOULD have a 250,000 gallon tank and 1500 GPM pump, or PCD!!! -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Something new

2010-05-21 Thread George Church
We need to provide proof of WC in order to get a license to work in some jurisdictions that feel they need to enforce oversight on private contracts. You likely need to provide the waiver of self-employed, unless you carry comp on yerself. PIA, they're from the govt and they're here to help you.

RE: Occupant load vs Square footage

2010-05-21 Thread Matthew J. Willis
You only have 2 exits. One really cause that is where all people go. (the door they came in) I have seen this several times. Sounds like it is still an assembly, it is just limited to 45. Empathize with the owner while providing the cost of the sprinkler system. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, C

Something new

2010-05-21 Thread Todd Williams
I've been in this business long enough to have gray hair (greater than 2 weeks) and it is rare when something completely new shows up. Earlier this week I got a set of plans back from a local building official that he rejected citing 4 comments. Three of them were notation issues and the last w

RE: Pipe and fitting cost data

2010-05-21 Thread Craig.Prahl
Don't have access to Means and company won't pay for it. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.ch2m.com -O