Re: "Self Storage" building design

2015-09-14 Thread Todd - Work
And if it's a dry system, add 30% Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT www.fpdc.com 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell) Sent using CloudMagic [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=pi&cv=6.0.64&pv=8.2] On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:25 PM, sprinklerforum@lists.fire

RE: "Self Storage" building design

2015-09-14 Thread Steve Leyton
Self storage facilities are generally compartmentalised into such small cubicles that a 1500 square foot design area is often over 25 sprinklers. OH 2 will cover solid piled Class IV commodities to 8 feet. I've done lots of these, and it is not uncommon to see 500 GPM system demand (and mo

RE: "Self Storage" building design

2015-09-14 Thread Jeff Hewitt
OH II Minimum, perhaps more. Class IV Commodities on racks needs EH-I. Extensive shielding of combustibles would require EH-II. OH I only protects Class I and Class II Commodities, regardless of 8-ft. height. Safe to assume there will be more than just Class I and Class II Commodities insid

Re: "Self Storage" building design

2015-09-14 Thread Todd - Work
I always do OH2 despite the height. You never know what is going to be in there Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT www.fpdc.com 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell) Sent using CloudMagic [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=pi&cv=6.0.64&pv=8.2] On Mon, Sep

Re: "Self Storage" building design

2015-09-14 Thread Lamar Vaughn
The buldings of this nature I have delt with had a wire mesh ceiling at 8'-0" which limited the storage height to less than 8 ft. Hence O.H. I. If storage is over 8ft., then O.H.II . On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:38 PM, wrote: > I have a 3-story "Self Storage" building divided into various sized ren

RE: "Self Storage" building design

2015-09-14 Thread John O'Connor
OH Group II John O'Connor, National Fire Sprinklers, Inc. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of wmens...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:38 PM To: sprinklerforum Subject: "Self Storage" building design

"Self Storage" building design

2015-09-14 Thread wmenster
I have a 3-story "Self Storage" building divided into various sized rental units. Maximum storage height is about 10' or less.   What design criteria is being used for this type of occupancy?   Thanks Bill Menster WFM Consulting Inc. ___ Spr

RE: Fire Pump versus Hydrant Test

2015-09-14 Thread Mark A. Sornsin, P.E.
I'll add to the 'prefect world' scenario - You as the contractor doing the work, or the Engineer of Record prior to bidding, would witness or conduct an updated pump test. Relying on the most recent 'annual test' by another contractor can come with risk - namely the accuracy of the equipment and

RE: Fire Pump versus Hydrant Test

2015-09-14 Thread Tom Duross
There may even be inside hose allowances required. A current test is the best way to determine exactly how the pump is performing. I would want an independent test of the pump be performed just for liability issues and base your calculations on that discharge curve supplied to you. If you need t

Re: Fire Pump versus Hydrant Test

2015-09-14 Thread Duane Johnson
Fire pump test. The pump test takes into account the underground losses, condition and layout that a hydrant test won't. Duane Johnson Strickland Fire Protection Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Rahe Loftin - 7PMC wrote: > > When we have a project to replace or modify the

Re: Fire Pump versus Hydrant Test

2015-09-14 Thread Ed Cyr
I agree with Todd, one other consideration, I would recommend that the fire pump be tested to assure that it is performing per factory specifications from churn to 150% of it rating. Once you assured yourself that the pump is performing within spec I would use the flow and psi results to design the

Re: Fire Pump versus Hydrant Test

2015-09-14 Thread Todd - Work
It depends on the arrangement. If the pump feeds a yard system including hydrants and sprinklers, then the pump test is the best way. If the hydrants are fed before the pump suction, that creates an issue of hose demand. In a perfect world, you would have a current hydrant flow test and use the