RE: Non-Aspirating Sprinklers listed with specific foam?

2016-12-12 Thread Jerry Van Kolken
I recently went to a Tyco training class for Foam systems. They said to look at the UL listing for the foam to see which sprinkler are listed with a particular foam product specifically for non-aspirated conditions. Now I don’t know if this applies to just Tyco products or for all foams. __

Ghostship fire

2016-12-12 Thread Roland Huggins
Last warning. Other than a minuscule number of subscribers, any additional debate on this issue is unwanted. Fortunately, we’re not particularly strict (was shown by my nontechnical joke indicating someone is a special needs kid) but we do need to be aware that there are a lot of folks on the

RE: Ghostship Fire

2016-12-12 Thread Steve Leyton
Brad, we’ve indulged your sometimes manic commentary (as when you converse with yourself across 3, 4 and sometimes 5 consecutive posts without a response between them) and I’m sure many of us have smiled a wry grin when you sheepishly take back or try to clarify some of the stuff you’ve written

Ghost Ship fire

2016-12-12 Thread Roland Huggins
Since we have degraded to the point of debating the value (or lack thereof) on different approaches, take it OFF FORUM. Thanks, Roland Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org

Re: Stairways as small rooms.

2016-12-12 Thread rongreenman .
Jim is correct but you can use an extended coverage head while ignoring the small room rules altogether. On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Jim Davidson < jdavid...@davidsonassociates.net> wrote: > If you are looking at the specific NFPA 13 Code Sections the “Small Room” > Rule applies only to thos

RE: Plastic Bin Storage on Solid Metal Rack shelf's exceeding 15 feet inheight. - Help!

2016-12-12 Thread Jim Davidson
William, Open top HDPE Plastic Bin boxes is a configuration of storage not covered by NFPA 13 since the open top bin boxes stops the sprinkler water discharge form delivering the required delivered density. Additionally NFPA 13 2016 edition; 1. Paragraph 16.1.7 states 16.1.7 Open-Top

Re: Chet Schirmer

2016-12-12 Thread Roland Huggins
This confirms he was always nice to kids with special needs. I know because he never once whacked me when I said something stupid. Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org

Plastic Bin Storage on Solid Metal Rack shelf's exceeding 15 feet in height. - Help!

2016-12-12 Thread William Sparano
I am trying to come up with an appropriate sprinkler design for this storage configuration. Our customer is storing small parts in small plastic (polypropylene) open-top bins. The parts are mostly metal, but there are also some plastic parts. The bins vary in size. (16” – 30” deep; 12” – 18”

RE: Stairways as small rooms.

2016-12-12 Thread Jim Davidson
If you are looking at the specific NFPA 13 Code Sections the "Small Room" Rule applies only to those sprinklers specified in Section 8.6 of the Code which is titled "8.6 Standard Pendent and Upright Spray Sprinklers." 3.3.22 Small Room. A compartment of light hazard occupancy classification ha

Re: Stairways as small rooms.

2016-12-12 Thread Todd Williams
16', not 17'. My error Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell) via Newton Mail [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=ti&cv=9.3.29&pv=10.1.1&source=email_footer_2] On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Travis Mack wrote: 9' + 7'-6

Re: Stairways as small rooms.

2016-12-12 Thread Travis Mack
9' + 7'-6" = 16'-6". Your 17' dimension is too large. 2 sprinklers or 1 ex cov sprinkler. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my i

Stairways as small rooms.

2016-12-12 Thread Todd Williams
Does the definition of small rooms include enclosed stairways? I am working on a location with 17' x 8 ft stair enclosures was wondering if I can use a single sprinkler. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell) via Newton Mail

RE: WATER STORAGE TANK AND PUMPS ARRANGEMENT FOR FIRE AND SERVICEWATER

2016-12-12 Thread Jim Davidson
Cesar, Before you start you will need to get some help from a engineer familiar with site development. The engineer will need to develop minimum and maximum domestic and service/process water usage and peak domestic and service/process water servics usage and duration of domestic/process flows.

RE: WATER STORAGE TANK AND PUMPS ARRANGEMENT FOR FIRE AND SERVICE WATER

2016-12-12 Thread Craig.Prahl
Are you installing very big tank that feeds water to the underground pipe which goes to all of the 20 buildings AND putting in some kind of water storage tank inside each building? Are you planning one pump house to serve the whole park or will each building have their own pumps? Craig L. Pra