Can't agree more with Ron on this, no need for fire protection that can't be
cost-justified
Cheers
Jack
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On 16 Jun 2015, at 7:09 am, rongreenman . rongreen...@gmail.com wrote:
A consideration is how valuable is the equipment in this closet. Do they
have cryogenically
Correct, this would not be acceptable, it should snugly fit in.
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Jack Kilavuz
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On 6 Apr 2015, at 7:47 pm, Joe inspect...@ifacilityconsulting.com wrote:
Gentlemen,
Please forgive my asking such a basic question, but in the linked photo,
the fire collar does not fit
Dave
You can unsubscribe for a week and resubscribe on your return.
Have a nice break!
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Jack Cahit Kilavuz
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From: Ziller, Dave [dave.zil...@seattle.gov]
Sent: 11/20/2009 05:04
Perhaps the best way around litigation is to feed the data to a person or
association outside most litigious societies (like US, UK, Australia),
process and release there? We will have no problems referring to it then,
right?
Jack C Kilavuz
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Geoffrey
You need to follow NFPA 430, not 13 for protection. You need to identify
the class of oxidizer (IMHO class 2 in your case) and use Table 6.4.1 for
sprinkler design.
You may like to read
http://www.firemarshals.org/data/File/docs/cal_hypo_report_final.pdf if
yours is a retail
Can't agree more, apples and pears!
Cheers
Jack C Kilavuz
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Save Paper ? Save Power ? Save the Environment - Think before printing
this e-mail!
Thom McMahon tmcma...@firetechinc.com
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23/09/2009 05:41 AM
Please respond to
Water curtains instead of 2-4 hour rated firewalls/fire doors?
Anyone else remember a particular carpet manufacturing plant in La Grange,
Georgia, a good 15 years ago, that relied on a number of them instead of
sprinklers, and amazingly burnt to the ground in a fire that started off
in the
Hope the arch has a water-tight PI policy with minimum deductibles.
Jack C Kilavuz
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Jerry Costello jer...@afpco.com
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23/09/2009 04:48 AM
Could you just reduce oxygen to 15% or less by pumping nitrogen in, like
numerous trade names (ask me for a list if you need privately) for this?
Would not be affected from pressure or temperature would not let anything
light up, and you can still breath in.
Jack C Kilavuz
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This totally depends on who's reading statistics for what particular
reason.
He is absolutely right!
If you use only the view of some fire safety engineers, and even some
government boards/departments run by fire safety engineers, or sponsored
by some property developers who don't want to
Good rule! Does it always work?
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- Original Message -
From: John Drucker [john.druc...@verizon.net]
Sent: 09/18/2009 10:32 AM AST
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject:
Sometimes you can not insist as you know you can't win.
Best example of Omegas was a newspaper complex, downtown in a major city
in an island just off the coast of Australia (there's only one newspaper
so it will remain nameless). They had a full house, about 300 odd heads in
offices, the
Wormald (read: Tyco Australia), AFPA (Australian FPA, now called FPAA) in
cooperation with NFPA sponsored a collection of data statistics (AFPA,
NFPA, FPA-UK) by late Henry William Marryatt, called Fire - A Century of
Automatic Sprinkler Protection in Australia and New Zealand, published in
Good question, 10 points out of 10!
I am not looking forward to a court case where the building burnt down to
the ground as the water was totally inadequate, and the designer relied a
computer-guesstimate on a piece paper for his hydraulically balanced (with
no fat) sprinkler system, which was
G'day Ron
Late 70s till late 80s mainframe computers or even early PCs had
bugger-all to less than 10% plastics in them, but these are mainly in
museums now although I have seen working examples in developing countries.
OK age comes into picture here, my apologies. I donated my TRS-80 to a
G'day Jay
What's the occupancy in manufacturing area? Does it involve volumes of
flammable liquids like printing etc? Any other special hazards?
In my FM days, if the manufacturing was light-manufacturing to engineering
works etc (all OH range), although not ideal we did not mind, but if the
Steve
With my previous-previous employer, I remember we had serious issues with
local made cast iron fittings in China, say 2002 - 2005 era.
OSY valves corroded, internal stem u/g valves seized in 12 months or so,
fittings showed accelerated corrosion.
Memory says we then gave it to
Yes and no and maybe.
If you are doing your flow test between 10 PM and 6 AM during the week or
during the weekend (actually only window allowed in some areas) you will
be getting a wonderful water supply.
If you are doing it when the pumping system kicks to balance the grid,
following
Ron
I reckon you are offending him more by calling him Turkish. His is a genuine
Arabic name, but can't say his nationality from the name. I'm of Turkish
origin and wouldn't like to be called Arabic. No relationship between race,
origins, language, culture except majority of Turks and Arabs
Ron
Don't you worry mate, got rather thick skin and don't get offended so easily.
Have a nice weekend y'all.
Cheers from a sunny 32 C (90 F) day in Singapore
JCK
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Toddn
Will check the Hammurabi code and come back to you, got the original text but
not the amendments in 1800 BC. :-)
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From: Todd Williams [...@fpdc.com]
John
Sometimes not that easy: This printer was allowed to tap into an 18
trunkmain, as that was the only reliable main within 1 mile.
We started the flowtest with 250 gpm, then went to 500 gpm, 750 gpm, 1000
gpm, 1250 gpm, and hit 1500 gpm, (this was 125% of total demand for
sprinklers and
Craig
Simply intrinsically safe equipment, EEx or Ex nomination and
variations, you need to certify or get someone certify that it is suitable
for Class I/II following ATEX guidelines/directives
Here is some reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATEX_directive,
Guidance:
G'day Todd
If you mean glasswool batts, those yellow or pink ones, yes. Basically
noncombustible is materials that do not readily burn, and insulation
examples include mineral-wool, rockwool, glasswool and similar
Fiberglass is actually shortname for fiberglass reinforced plastic, or
FRP,
Hi Aydin
What is your occupancy? How large is the area? What K-factors you're
talking about?
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Jack C Kilavuz
Assistant Director
Managing Consultant - RMS
Royal Sun Alliance Insurance - Singapore
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Thom
I have seen corridors being used for temporary overnight delivery and
storage areas with 10' not uncommon, just go after hours or before
opening. Main concourse is the area for a plastic Christmas tree with
all the decorations, the highest I have seen was about 50', an expanded
Thom
The owner does not want it but he ends up getting the pipes: I have
inspected at least a hundred of these and always hear similar stories
before the centre becomes operational, and when I inspect afterwards they
usually have domestic water pipe, cold water -pipe (cooling), hot water
pipe
knows how many
coats!
Cheers
Jack Kilavuz
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From: Bill Minkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04/03/2008 01:54 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Do you look up?
THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED ON THE INTERNET - Please read the detailed
) or is torn easily, either case you will not have the ceiling to
accumulate enough heat to operate sprinkler heads.
Joe may have done testings on such and may contribute to a scenario here.
Cheers
Jack Kilavuz
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From: chris.mak
Sent: 03/01/2008 07:48
I can still get a
photo to you in a matter of moments. Why then does it take the
media several days to accomplish the same thing? Not really looking
for an answer.
On 2/4/08, Jack Kilavuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ron
That's an old building 3-4 storey high in Ludwigshafen. Timber stairs
burnt
Ron
That's an old building 3-4 storey high in Ludwigshafen. Timber stairs
burnt and collapsed before people got out, so there was a picture with a
baby thrown down to authorities before the parents jumped down the 3rd
floor window!
I remember there were a lot of old buildings in Germany, I have
Dear Ron
What's wrong with old technology as long as it works? If it ain't broke
don't update!
I donated my TRS80 truly portable PC with twin 5 1/4 drives to
Powerhouse Museum in Sydney before coming here, folks have never seen a
working one, they read about it in IT history books.
Citizen came
Craig
IMHO you are up for an explosion more than a fire: you have suspended fine
fuel, air, confinement, all you need is a spark
Suggest vyou consider spark detection as in Firefly or Grecon for activation as
you will noty have much time to dump water or drychem on it.
Once spark is detected
Geir,
Let us look at the big picture:
Yep, you have lost your first transformer to a good blast, but the fire may
continue burning with residual oil, and spread to the surrounding. I can
not think of a better way to control fire spread to surrounding
areas/occupancy then a good water system.
Mike
Memory says FM lifted that speed limit a few years back, and before then it
only applied to pipes 2 in and smaller.
Any FM people in the Forum to comment? Joe?
Jack C Kilavuz
Mike Brown
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:42 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Need Help fast
Roland, forumites
Has it ever been tested and proven that a single sheet of glass (4
Roland, forumites
Has it ever been tested and proven that a single sheet of glass (4 mm, 5
mm, 6 mm, 8 mm or whatever) of size 3 sqm, 4 sqm, 6 sqm, 50 sqm =, on a
rigid frame (aluminium, wood, steel etc) with a sprinkler spray (of
whatever density) has 1-hour fire rating?
All I heard of is one
Good luck I would say. Hope the property insurer understands this is
polyurethane spray-on. In my experience they go orange-bronze in colour in
5-10 years and start drying out it will turn to powder when you touch. It
is common particularly around wine industry buildings, as wall and ceiling
Reza
If they have lights, you can bet they certainly have some vents, otherwise
it will get way too hot inside those vitrines. for the contents.
If they have vents, your problem is solved.
If they don't have vents, maybe the electrical/lighting engineer should
have recommended them before you
Reza
I do not think we have enough experience with the damage by free radicals
you release when a gaseous agent is faced with fire, all those flouoros and
chloros, I would not bet on.
Water however is much easier to clean afterwards and perhaps will do lesser
damage then others. Cheaper to
You are right Jeff, in my FM days and afterwards I can not recall many without
some obstructions.
Cheers
Jack
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From: Jeff Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09/14/2007 10:11 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: ESFR - heads
David
1- Yes, combustible, like any dry grain.
2- I'm not sure about requirement per se (this depends on your
jurisdiction, building code, local AHJ, insurance carrier, client
requirement) , but any sprinkler recommendation I put on paper I would
cost-justify. So What is your loss expectancy as
And I thought I was seasoned. Last year Powerhouse Museum in Sydbey accepted
my TRS-80 with twin 8 disks as noone there has actuallly seen a working one!
Cheers
Jack (on holidays in Greece)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07/27/2007 01:45 AM
To:
Jeff
Have you checked the updated FM datasheet 2-2? In most cases you do not need
additional heads any more.
Cheers
Jack
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From: Jeff Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07/17/2007 04:51 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: ESFR above and below?
THIS
That's nothing, Matt.
In my FM days (last century or so), we had a complete warehouse (150,000 sq
ft) pipes turned upside down as ESFR Pendents were installed as Uprights,
just one letter off you know, Oooops!
Then came in the obstructions nightmare, the poor engineer spent a lot of
time
Greetings from Singapore
Does anyone know of English version/translation of Korean sprinkler Code?
Thanks in anticipation.
Cheers
Jack C Kilavuz
Managing Consultant
Royal SunAlliance Insurance (Singapore) Limited
77 Robinson Rd, #17-00 Singapore 068896
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