Re: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-21 Thread jhoffman
All good comments to date but the pipe could still be ductile iron and fail in 12 years. If the ground is wet and conducive to corrosion DI can get holes in it. We have had sections fail in 10 years. DI is ok underground even in poor (wet) conditions if you polyethylene wrap it per AWWA C105. Yo

Re: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Ron Greenman
Dave, You don't need thrust blocking if mechanical restraint is used such as bolted flanges, grooved couplings, screw threads or even plain end fittings designed to be installed without other restraint such as Fit fittings. Unfortunately none of these that I'm aware of work with UG type ductile of

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Dave Phelan
I can assure you the only thing is was wrapped in was clay and rubble rocks kicking around the jobsite. Not a stitch of restraining or thrust blocking at the FDC elbow either. I appreciate the guidance and will be sure to pass along the final result when they cut and remove the pipe from the tren

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Law, Kevin W
) 371-3280 Cell(509) 531-5715 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Timothy W Goins Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:07 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

Re: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Vince Sabolik
Doubt it's ductile... Schedule 10 and Schedule 7 and Schedule 5 are available in 25 ft lengths  - and makes good rusty water too! From: Dave Phelan To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 4:38:13 PM Subject: Ductile for FDC Underground Gr

Re: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread ParsleyConsulting
, June 17, 2010 4:47 PM > To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org' > Subject: RE: Ductile for FDC Underground > > > > The metal label on the valve says 'FireLock S/717 Ductile Iron 250 PSI'. > Nothing altered or unusual about the valve's metal tag, th

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Bobby Gillett
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Timothy W Goins Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:07 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Ductile for FDC Underground C900 PVC with DI fittings is the way to go. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Timothy W Goins
C900 PVC with DI fittings is the way to go. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dave Phelan Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:38 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Ductile for FDC Under

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Craig.Prahl
Sounds more like black carbon steel. DI should last for a lot longer than 12 years. Never seen it deteriorate with pin holes, but have seen CS do that, especially direct bury. I checked one mfgr and they list 4" DI as coming in 18ft lengths. Just because the check is a DI valve has nothing to

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Dave Phelan
:47 PM To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org' Subject: RE: Ductile for FDC Underground The metal label on the valve says 'FireLock S/717 Ductile Iron 250 PSI'. Nothing altered or unusual about the valve's metal tag, the length of pipe is what got me scratching my head.

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread John Denhardt
SAVE LIVES -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:49 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Ductile for FDC Underground The valve being

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Bobby Gillett
r.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dave Phelan Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Ductile for FDC Underground The metal label on the valve says 'FireLock S/717 Ductile Iron 250 PSI'. Nothing altered or un

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Bobby Gillett
It doesn't sound like DI to me. I have seen it used for UG going to an FDC piping under a gravel drive with heavy traffic. I surely haven't seen DI in 24'-0 lengths or DI having holes as you described. Sounds more like black steel that has deteriorated as it would in one of those nightmare dry syst

RE: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Dave Phelan
The metal label on the valve says 'FireLock S/717 Ductile Iron 250 PSI'. Nothing altered or unusual about the valve's metal tag, the length of pipe is what got me scratching my head. From: Dave Phelan [mailto:nomore...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:38 PM To: 'sprinklerforum@fir

Re: Ductile for FDC Underground

2010-06-17 Thread Greg McGahan
I have never personally seen Ductile Iron with pinholes. I have also never seen DI in 24' lengths. That doesn't mean either are impossible. Does the "250 psi Ductile Iron" look spray painted? On 6/17/2010 3:38 PM, Dave Phelan wrote: > Greetings - > > > > Working on a problem currently - here's t