RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-11 Thread Mike Brown (TECH- GVL)
the market. There are probably more that I cannot remember. Mike Brown -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Hankins Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:34 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: ESFR Pressure Anomaly Mike, My

Re: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-10 Thread Joe Hankins
Chris, The simple reason is that the test for K25s was run at 50 psi because the manufacturer wanted a success and there was no previous data. The test could be re-run at a lower pressure anytime somebody wants to to risk the money it would cost. K25 applications are based on individual

RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-10 Thread George Church
is a guess. Thanks again for your insight. George Church Rowe Sprinkler -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Hankins Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:18 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: ESFR Pressure Anomaly Snip

RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-10 Thread Chris Cahill
I was reading from the cut sheet, technically FM criteria. NFPA according to the cut sheet there is no protection scheme for the K25. Even in the table you reference there is no ESFR 25 for this. As far as flows 25's = 178gpm, 17's = 99.4pgm and 14's 99 gpm. So I can go along with the

Re: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-10 Thread Thom McMahon
Cahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly I was reading from the cut sheet, technically FM criteria. NFPA according to the cut sheet there is no protection scheme for the K25. Even in the table you

RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-10 Thread George Church
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:50 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: ESFR Pressure Anomaly The main point James has made for class I-IV, is that the lower end of the curve, may actually work most of the time, but as soon as you try to rise up the curve the greater the risk

RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-10 Thread Mike Brown (TECH- GVL)
Subject: RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly Thom- If you're a contractor- and I know you don't just play one on TV :)- You're a risk-taker. In this litigious society, you can be held liable for meeting the adopted standard, but not applying a newer code. Or, for that matter, the reverse. So even

Re: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-10 Thread Joe Hankins
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly Thom- If you're a contractor- and I know you don't just play one on TV :)- You're a risk-taker. In this litigious society, you can be held liable for meeting the adopted standard, but not applying a newer code. Or, for that matter

RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly

2007-12-10 Thread A.P.Silva
PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: ESFR Pressure Anomaly Before you get too excited about the engineering process and testing I offer the following: In the early 70's, GEM (Not called Tyco then) had a HSW that covered 16 x 28 ft. It was UL Listed until they figured out